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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 09:40 AM
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Met a little 7-year old home "schooled" boy over the weekend
Advertisements [?]Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 09:41 AM by NNN0LHI
My 5-year old grandson and him walked up to me carrying a toy plastic stegosaurus in his hands.
The little home "schooled" boy immediately began explaining the "history" of dinosaurs to us.
You see after God had this problem with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden God made the meat eating dinosaurs because he was mad he explained to us. Said he had a book at home that explained all this so it is definitely true he said. The name of the book was the bible.
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Let's see. The kid makes up an imaginary story, as little kids that age often do, and the DUmbass throws a tantrum. The rest of the irrational hate is at the link.
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A bouncy Dino story!
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/asdf2231/Blogstuff/dinoball.jpg)
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
They have become used to having the government do that for them so anyone who doesn`t put their child into the system is considered an enemy of the state to some extent.
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
Because the first and foremost tenet of Libtard Dogma is "The State is God" and the only way to infect future generations is through The Collective.
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
Because the Government is their god. They don't want competition.
KC
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Gosh, what a coincidence that this "true story" shows up right after the California ruling about Christian high school students and their textbooks...
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Imagine that, a kid ready to start second grade that doesn't understand Genesis yet. :yawn:
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Gosh, what a coincidence that this "true story" shows up right after the California ruling about Christian high school students and their textbooks...
If it's a Bouncy it's lame and stupid. If it's true it's still stupid and intolerant but "Intolerant" is their middle name.
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My 5-year old grandson and him walked up to me carrying a toy plastic stegosaurus in his hands.
Product of publik edukashun???
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My 5-year old grandson and him walked up to me carrying a toy plastic stegosaurus in his hands.
Product of publik edukashun???
Yep.
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
Home schooling side steps the issue of liberal indoctrination by the public school system and thus is hated by the far left. To the libs the only people who have a right to screw up a kids mind is a lib teacher. Also a solid Christian education will enable the child to see the falseness of liberal beliefs and values.
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Even were this what his parents were teaching this 7 year old...so what? When my sons were 7 they believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and The Bible. While the first 2 have gone the way of pleasant childhood memories, God and His Word have not. Through the course of his life this young boy will be exposed to evolution as well as creationism. Every creation science text/curriculum I have seen clearly explains what evolutionary scientists believe. Most homeschooling parents don't believe their children can argue for or against something if they're only have one side of the issue. When we were studying US Government we read Lies My Teacher Told Me (the Berkeley version of history that I had to grit my teeth to keep from screaming and super glue it down to keep from throwing it across the room). My son, who has a much better sense of humor than I do, just laughed. We also read Our Inspired Past which uses the "G" word (God, not Government for any lurking DUmmies...we don't consider them to be one and the same), why our ancestors first came here, and the faith of our Founding Fathers. Whatever else the kid learns, he'll be developing important critical thinking skills which he can then use to abandon creationism and jump on the evolution bandwagon so that no one can challenge rational science.
Cindie
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Home schooling side steps the issue of liberal indoctrination by the public school system and thus is hated by the far left. To the libs the only people who have a right to screw up a kids mind is a lib teacher. Also a solid Christian education will enable the child to see the falseness of liberal beliefs and values.
Totally agree - but, the libs could easily use the platform for their own ways -- for example, teach American History from a textbook written by a country that is unfriendly to the United States. The same with any social sciences. Get a couple of grade school primers on Marx, Lenin, Castro, etc. To 'Round Out" their education. Im sure its possible to find English translations.
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Home schooling side steps the issue of liberal indoctrination by the public school system and thus is hated by the far left. To the libs the only people who have a right to screw up a kids mind is a lib teacher. Also a solid Christian education will enable the child to see the falseness of liberal beliefs and values.
Totally agree - but, the libs could easily use the platform for their own ways -- for example, teach American History from a textbook written by a country that is unfriendly to the United States. The same with any social sciences. Get a couple of grade school primers on Marx, Lenin, Castro, etc. To 'Round Out" their education. Im sure its possible to find English translations.
You know, I don't really have any problem with that. Their children, their home, their values. Homeschooling is about choice as much as it is about education and family.
Cindie
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Even were this what his parents were teaching this 7 year old...so what? When my sons were 7 they believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and The Bible. While the first 2 have gone the way of pleasant childhood memories, God and His Word have not. Through the course of his life this young boy will be exposed to evolution as well as creationism. Every creation science text/curriculum I have seen clearly explains what evolutionary scientists believe. Most homeschooling parents don't believe their children can argue for or against something if they're only have one side of the issue. When we were studying US Government we read Lies My Teacher Told Me (the Berkeley version of history that I had to grit my teeth to keep from screaming and super glue it down to keep from throwing it across the room). My son, who has a much better sense of humor than I do, just laughed. We also read Our Inspired Past which uses the "G" word (God, not Government for any lurking DUmmies...we don't consider them to be one and the same), why our ancestors first came here, and the faith of our Founding Fathers. Whatever else the kid learns, he'll be developing important critical thinking skills which he can then use to abandon creationism and jump on the evolution bandwagon so that no one can challenge rational science.
Cindie
Good answer, except there is no such thing as "creation science." There is "religion." No amount of "critical thinking" (a phrase that I despise because it means "people who think like me") can change what science is, how it operates, what is uses as measurements and its structure.
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Even were this what his parents were teaching this 7 year old...so what? When my sons were 7 they believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and The Bible. While the first 2 have gone the way of pleasant childhood memories, God and His Word have not. Through the course of his life this young boy will be exposed to evolution as well as creationism. Every creation science text/curriculum I have seen clearly explains what evolutionary scientists believe. Most homeschooling parents don't believe their children can argue for or against something if they're only have one side of the issue. When we were studying US Government we read Lies My Teacher Told Me (the Berkeley version of history that I had to grit my teeth to keep from screaming and super glue it down to keep from throwing it across the room). My son, who has a much better sense of humor than I do, just laughed. We also read Our Inspired Past which uses the "G" word (God, not Government for any lurking DUmmies...we don't consider them to be one and the same), why our ancestors first came here, and the faith of our Founding Fathers. Whatever else the kid learns, he'll be developing important critical thinking skills which he can then use to abandon creationism and jump on the evolution bandwagon so that no one can challenge rational science.
Cindie
Good answer, except there is no such thing as "creation science." There is "religion." No amount of "critical thinking" (a phrase that I despise because it means "people who think like me") can change what science is, how it operates, what is uses as measurements and its structure.
Personally I feel that science and theology could work in complimentary fashion ifsome people could get past the either/or mentality that improves the lot of neither.
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Personally I feel that science and theology could work in complimentary fashion ifsome people could get past the either/or mentality that improves the lot of neither.
They can and do for many. Science is a tool given to us by God to understand the physical Universe. Theology provides a context for the wonders of said Universe. There is nothing in the theological melliiu that explains scientific matters -- at least to date. Likewise, nothing in science explains theological matters -- it cannot find God for any man (although it may lead him there).
However, substituting theology for science is improper. Faith cannot be measured in a laboratory nor can it move science forward. Neither ID nor "creation science" have any more scientific currency than astrology.
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Home schooling side steps the issue of liberal indoctrination by the public school system and thus is hated by the far left. To the libs the only people who have a right to screw up a kids mind is a lib teacher. Also a solid Christian education will enable the child to see the falseness of liberal beliefs and values.
Totally agree - but, the libs could easily use the platform for their own ways -- for example, teach American History from a textbook written by a country that is unfriendly to the United States. The same with any social sciences. Get a couple of grade school primers on Marx, Lenin, Castro, etc. To 'Round Out" their education. Im sure its possible to find English translations.
You know, I don't really have any problem with that. Their children, their home, their values. Homeschooling is about choice as much as it is about education and family.
Cindie
Ahh but they aren't satisfied with their children, their home, they want your children and your home. So they try to force their values into your school and it is pretty hard to do that if your children are safe in your home.
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Even were this what his parents were teaching this 7 year old...so what? When my sons were 7 they believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and The Bible. While the first 2 have gone the way of pleasant childhood memories, God and His Word have not. Through the course of his life this young boy will be exposed to evolution as well as creationism. Every creation science text/curriculum I have seen clearly explains what evolutionary scientists believe. Most homeschooling parents don't believe their children can argue for or against something if they're only have one side of the issue. When we were studying US Government we read Lies My Teacher Told Me (the Berkeley version of history that I had to grit my teeth to keep from screaming and super glue it down to keep from throwing it across the room). My son, who has a much better sense of humor than I do, just laughed. We also read Our Inspired Past which uses the "G" word (God, not Government for any lurking DUmmies...we don't consider them to be one and the same), why our ancestors first came here, and the faith of our Founding Fathers. Whatever else the kid learns, he'll be developing important critical thinking skills which he can then use to abandon creationism and jump on the evolution bandwagon so that no one can challenge rational science.
Cindie
Thanks for the book info. Could you post a list? Maybe start a new thread in the lounge?
I think that would be a great thread topic. I'm interested in alternate materials because my son's "sanitized for your protection" textbooks drive me nuts.
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
Actually Miskie there is a group over there at DU who do home school! They are small but they do exist!
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 09:54 AM
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7. ask him to find the word "dinosaur" in the bible.....
elocs (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 10:11 AM
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Jesus definitely was a Liberal and that is why the conservative religious leaders of his day hated him.
I do believe the Bible mentions dinosaurs in the same book that covers 20th century political philosophies. The Book of Neuterademocrat.
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
Actually Miskie there is a group over there at DU who do home school! They are small but they do exist!
When I had considered homeschooling, I went to several meetings with area groups and there is a contingent of hardcore liberals who homeschool. Many are 'unschoolers' which means they let their child lead the learning experience(imagine that). What it seemed to me is that the various groups homeschooled for different reasons. Many of the very conservative religious types did it for the integrity of the values and home and many liberals considered themselves to be giving their child a more thorough education, and of course thinking themselves intellectually superior, far more capable of providing a well rounded experience. Others fall all over that specturm in between or are doing it to achieve both. Only my observations folks so YMMV.
As a side note though, it would seem that the liberals would loathe the liberal homeschooler more since most challenged that their beloved public school systems were an adequate educational experience.
Oh, I did meet a few homeschoolers who were various types of pagan too and homeschooled to instill that tradition. Wonder why DU never has a problem with that kind of immersion...hmmm :-)
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
Actually Miskie there is a group over there at DU who do home school! They are small but they do exist!
When I had considered homeschooling, I went to several meetings with area groups and there is a contingent of hardcore liberals who homeschool. Many are 'unschoolers' which means they let their child lead the learning experience(imagine that). What it seemed to me is that the various groups homeschooled for different reasons. Many of the very conservative religious types did it for the integrity of the values and home and many liberals considered themselves to be giving their child a more thorough education, and of course thinking themselves intellectually superior, far more capable of providing a well rounded experience. Others fall all over that specturm in between or are doing it to achieve both. Only my observations folks so YMMV.
As a side note though, it would seem that the liberals would loathe the liberal homeschooler more since most challenged that their beloved public school systems were an adequate educational experience.
Oh, I did meet a few homeschoolers who were various types of pagan too and homeschooled to instill that tradition. Wonder why DU never has a problem with that kind of immersion...hmmm :-)
Kudos to you fro at least giving it a look....I couldn't take being around my kids all day! :banghead: :-)
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I can't speak for how things are done in other states but in Florida, home schoolers are required to demonstrate that they have, at minimum, the same basic knowledge as public school students. If parents are teaching their children that God made the dinosaurs because He was mad at Adam and Eve then those kids will not be passing the tests that the state requires of them. As far as I know each state has rules that require home school students to show they have mastered certain skills. The lib fears of home schooling are a product of their own overactive imaginations and a bit of wishful thinking on their part. It's their way of justify to each other why kids shouldn't be home schooled. I'd be willing to bet that if public schools were much more conservative in their principles the libs would be all for home schooling.
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Personally I feel that science and theology could work in complimentary fashion ifsome people could get past the either/or mentality that improves the lot of neither.
They can and do for many. Science is a tool given to us by God to understand the physical Universe. Theology provides a context for the wonders of said Universe. There is nothing in the theological melliiu that explains scientific matters -- at least to date. Likewise, nothing in science explains theological matters -- it cannot find God for any man (although it may lead him there).
However, substituting theology for science is improper. Faith cannot be measured in a laboratory nor can it move science forward. Neither ID nor "creation science" have any more scientific currency than astrology.
I wasn't speaking about the Bible and science specifically. I was speaking to what I believe and that is God left signs of his handy work all over creation and scientists should be more open to recognizing the elements of design as they discover them. No one piece of the puzzle can point to the existence of the Creator, but a lot of pieces when looked at together and compared to the odds that all these pieces could come together can and do become clues to God and clues to how and why he shaped the universe.
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Personally I feel that science and theology could work in complimentary fashion ifsome people could get past the either/or mentality that improves the lot of neither.
They can and do for many. Science is a tool given to us by God to understand the physical Universe. Theology provides a context for the wonders of said Universe. There is nothing in the theological melliiu that explains scientific matters -- at least to date. Likewise, nothing in science explains theological matters -- it cannot find God for any man (although it may lead him there).
However, substituting theology for science is improper. Faith cannot be measured in a laboratory nor can it move science forward. Neither ID nor "creation science" have any more scientific currency than astrology.
I wasn't speaking about the Bible and science specifically. I was speaking to what I believe and that is God left signs of his handy work all over creation and scientists should be more open to recognizing the elements of design as they discover them. No one piece of the puzzle can point to the existence of the Creator, but a lot of pieces when looked at together and compared to the odds that all these pieces could come together can and do become clues to God and clues to how and why he shaped the universe.
Many scientists are in agreement with that perspective. The more of His Wonders they see, the more awesome they see His works and Him.
And FWIIW, the scientific community has about the same percentage religious makeup as the general population (i.e. about 80% Christian).
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I gave homeschooling some thought. I don't really work anymore (doesn't mean I'm getting a gummint check) so I had the time. But my thinking was, he's going to have to live and work with those that are in the public school system. He will be greatly out numbered by them and he might as well get used to it.
So, he's getting what I think is a well rounded education. He's very active in one of the best Boy Scout Troops around, attends church regularly and all the youth functions there. And I continue to be a pain in the ass of teachers by supplimenting his public school education. :-)
I've run an experiment for 12 years. Even though I'm an old southerner, I have never used the "N"-word around my son.(his mother never does so that wasn't a problem) It took 12 years for him to finally figure out what an "N"-word was and use the "N"-word in front of me. ...... Jesse, Al and Reverend Wright along with others wonder why there is still racism. LOOK AT THE BEHAVIOR OF YOUR PEOPLE.
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In reading and re-reading the initial post, I found myself laughing out loud when you realize that a 7 year old "owned" a DUmmie. :-)
What a pathetic, small world where the DUmmie is so tight that the mere discussion with a 7 year old ruins their day.
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Why do the DUmmies hate Home Schooling so much ? Honestly, If I were a DUmmy, and wanted to make certain that my Libtard Dogma was passed on I would love homeschooling.
It's all part of the brainwashing...Libs believe EVERTHING that is worth anything...including education HAS to come from the Federal Government.
When a kid is home schooled he or she actually LEARNS. They are submerged in 8 hours daily of dogma and socialist indoctrination
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History of the dinosaur for DUmmies.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/2.asp
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3815298
More stupidity and irrational moonbat left-wing hate. I'll post it here instead of its own thread.
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Even were this what his parents were teaching this 7 year old...so what? When my sons were 7 they believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and The Bible. While the first 2 have gone the way of pleasant childhood memories, God and His Word have not. Through the course of his life this young boy will be exposed to evolution as well as creationism. Every creation science text/curriculum I have seen clearly explains what evolutionary scientists believe. Most homeschooling parents don't believe their children can argue for or against something if they're only have one side of the issue. When we were studying US Government we read Lies My Teacher Told Me (the Berkeley version of history that I had to grit my teeth to keep from screaming and super glue it down to keep from throwing it across the room). My son, who has a much better sense of humor than I do, just laughed. We also read Our Inspired Past which uses the "G" word (God, not Government for any lurking DUmmies...we don't consider them to be one and the same), why our ancestors first came here, and the faith of our Founding Fathers. Whatever else the kid learns, he'll be developing important critical thinking skills which he can then use to abandon creationism and jump on the evolution bandwagon so that no one can challenge rational science.
Cindie
Good answer, except there is no such thing as "creation science." There is "religion." No amount of "critical thinking" (a phrase that I despise because it means "people who think like me") can change what science is, how it operates, what is uses as measurements and its structure.
Actually, that ISN'T what "critical thinking" means. I thought I made that pretty clear. I worked very hard to expose my sons to a variety of points of view. The older they got, the more time we'd spend discussing various ideas and points of view. I used an example from history because I wanted to avoid the usual lectures by the evolution police. Personally, I didn't teach either creation or evolution because my son just wasn't interested in it until he was a teen and by that time he was quite capable of doing his own research.
Whether you or I like it or not this young boy is NOT your child. He's not my child. The value of homeschooling is that parents are in control of what their child learns, which is as it should be. Have no fear, they WILL be exposed to evolution. The majority of homeschoolers do go to college. Many of them go to community college in their teens and often it's to take math and science classes.
Cindie
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Home schooling side steps the issue of liberal indoctrination by the public school system and thus is hated by the far left. To the libs the only people who have a right to screw up a kids mind is a lib teacher. Also a solid Christian education will enable the child to see the falseness of liberal beliefs and values.
Totally agree - but, the libs could easily use the platform for their own ways -- for example, teach American History from a textbook written by a country that is unfriendly to the United States. The same with any social sciences. Get a couple of grade school primers on Marx, Lenin, Castro, etc. To 'Round Out" their education. Im sure its possible to find English translations.
You know, I don't really have any problem with that. Their children, their home, their values. Homeschooling is about choice as much as it is about education and family.
Cindie
Ahh but they aren't satisfied with their children, their home, they want your children and your home. So they try to force their values into your school and it is pretty hard to do that if your children are safe in your home.
I don't know any homeschooler who wants to go into another family's home and tell them what to teach. Secular and religious homeschoolers may have completely different reasons for homeschooling but both would (and do) work to preserve each other's freedom to educate their children as they see fit.
Cindie
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Even were this what his parents were teaching this 7 year old...so what? When my sons were 7 they believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and The Bible. While the first 2 have gone the way of pleasant childhood memories, God and His Word have not. Through the course of his life this young boy will be exposed to evolution as well as creationism. Every creation science text/curriculum I have seen clearly explains what evolutionary scientists believe. Most homeschooling parents don't believe their children can argue for or against something if they're only have one side of the issue. When we were studying US Government we read Lies My Teacher Told Me (the Berkeley version of history that I had to grit my teeth to keep from screaming and super glue it down to keep from throwing it across the room). My son, who has a much better sense of humor than I do, just laughed. We also read Our Inspired Past which uses the "G" word (God, not Government for any lurking DUmmies...we don't consider them to be one and the same), why our ancestors first came here, and the faith of our Founding Fathers. Whatever else the kid learns, he'll be developing important critical thinking skills which he can then use to abandon creationism and jump on the evolution bandwagon so that no one can challenge rational science.
Cindie
Thanks for the book info. Could you post a list? Maybe start a new thread in the lounge?
I think that would be a great thread topic. I'm interested in alternate materials because my son's "sanitized for your protection" textbooks drive me nuts.
I will do that later on this afternoon but one of the best resources is Sonlight http://www.sonlight.com (http://www.sonlight.com). Just find your children's age and/or grade and look at the resources for the various subjects.
Cindie
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Thank you Cindie!!!!
The little guy is a rising fifth grader. I'm going to keep him busy this year :-)