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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on September 05, 2017, 10:09:32 PM
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Star Member Ninga (5,479 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029555893
i understand fully, Hilary's premise that Sen Sanders hurt her candidacy.
Never have such words as .."Don't do as I do, do as I say" ring true.
His disparaging assertions, along with the media's abisimal and criminal coverage of her campaign, a 30 year drum beat to destroy her...piled on.
All his campaigning for her did not sway his ardent supporters.
Seasoned politicos fully know that words used as weapons matter..
Star Member jrthin (2,494 posts)
1. He did. Not to relitigate the last election, but when Bernie announced
that he was going to challenge Hillary, I turned to my husband and said, this will not end well for the Democratic election. I told my husband that this move will elect a republican.
Star Member still_one (53,990 posts)
2. "democrat election"? It is the DEMOCRATIC election. Referring to the DEMOCRATIC party as
"democrat" party is a pejorative term coined by REPUKE politicians.
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BTW- the post referred to the democratic elections, DUmbass.
Baconator (461 posts)
18. Good lord...
That might be enough internet for you today...
Go outside...
Star Member still_one (53,990 posts)
24. It's the DEMOCRATIC party, NOT the "Democrat party". All I was doing was informing the poster
the negative nature of that terminology, and guess what, the poster heard what I said and changed it accordingly
Seems you are the one who is having the problem
mythology (7,122 posts)
8. Clinton did the same thing in 2008
Sanders didn't cause Clinton to lose. She lost to a combination of factors. Her polling dropped substantially after the second Comey announcement. If she didn't have that stupid server, there wouldn't have been an announcement to make.
Clinton knew damn well that Republicans would be all over her if she ran in 2016. She should have been smart enough to plan ahead for that and go above and beyond to not give Republicans an issue.
The lack of self-reflection in blaming Sanders or any other outside cause without first looking at her own actions rings hollow.
Grandma will drang all this out into the '18s, causing more hate from the dems on other dems...
Grandma can't die soon enough.
Star Member CBHagman (15,568 posts)
11. In other words, see into the future...
...to an attack during the 2012 campaign, to changes in the law for use of private email servers, to how the media would cover it all, etc.
Not a workable suggestion, and the electoral map math is still what it was: a Trump "win" based on perhaps 80,000 or so votes in key areas.
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DonaldsRump (85 posts)
33. and an international conspiracy that is under criminal investigation n/t
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karynnj (55,389 posts)
37. Easier than what you describe - In January 2013, as she was leaving - she could have left all her
work emails.
Months before that, there were already requests for Clinton emails on various subjects. These requests were not going to dissapear when she left. It would not have taken much ability to see THAT future. So, what could she have thought would happen? That the Republicans would suddenly lose interest? That the State Department could stonewall for 4 years without it looking fishy -- thus harming Clinton claiming the Obama administration was hiding something.
It was nearly two years after she left, that the State Department got all the email and quickly tried to answer a prominent Congressional request as they started to process those emails. This led to the NYT getting a story in March 2015 -- right before she was to declare formally her intention to run -- that she had used a private server for all her email for her term as SoS. This was a terrible story and even then, she did not completely get the truth out immediately - leading to a month or so of corrections. It also led to her demanding ALL the emails that could be published be put online. This lead to monthly HRC email tranches -- reminding people for a year about the email problem.
While the full eventuality could NOT have been foreseen, consider that there was NOTHING in the emails that related to any of the requests that was a problem. Not to mention, information coming out in 2013 or 2014 on emails, where it is very likely no one would have known that they did not come from a regular state account, would have been far less damaging than the email story eclipsing her formal entry into the race.
Taking the entire email story, complete with investigations, Comey letters, Anthony Weiner etc would have changed her campaign. It had to be an enormous burden for her team to having to regularly deal with bad stories. Consider her polling was MUCH higher before the Comey letter. Also consider that even before that, her favorable numbers and polling on honesty took a major hit in the months right after March 2015.
Ouch,,,
Star Member CrispyQ (22,786 posts)
13. Ditto on the Wall St. speeches & the comment about being broke when they left the WH.
Her presidency would have been mired in controversy. Not like the Con's by any means, but The Hunting of the President, part 2, would have continued. It sure makes you miss the scandal free days of Obama. OMG! He saluted someone with a cup of coffee in his hand!
It's getting nasty. Pro- / Anti- Grandma forces are continuing the struggle to kill each other. There is a lot more... you should go read the whole thing.
Star Member brush (13,540 posts)
23. She didn't do the same thing in '08. She graciously conceded and worked hard for Obama.
A certain someone did not graciously concede. He drug it out for forever, continually attacking the Democratic Party establishment, as he put it, and had to figuratively be dragged kicking and screaming to concede, and because of that, it came off as halfhearted and his supporters got that message, as did the rest of us.
IMO that cost us votes that went third party candidates. And as far as the reasons for the loss, Comey, Putin and repug vote suppression were huge factors.
Do you actually think that 77,000 votes that could swing the EC weren't targeted, and the three states where those votes were ripe for hacking/suppression weren't targeted?
That was all calculated and we got a stolen election, a coup.
But keep believing the media talking points about Clinton not campaigning in those states. There was much more going on under the surface in those states than what the media postmortem spewed. trump redirected his plane to those Midwestern states at the last minute to make it seem like he was actively campaigning there so any irregularities, like just enough votes to swing the EC, wouldn't seem obvious.
Star Member brush (13,540 posts)
58. More media/pundit spew. The 77,000 votes needed to swing the EC was calculated...
and the repugs suppressed/targeted those votes and those states.
We know repugs cheat.
Do you actually think they didn't in those states when the 77,000 votes they needed to swing the EC is just what they got?
It's even more obvious now that on Nov. 9th.
In other words, Trump new exactly how to win and what they needed to do to go over the EC number...
Genius.
Star Member Ken Burch (47,697 posts)
62. He had to stay in until California
He couldn't leave his supporters with no one to vote for in the primary.
Star Member alarimer (15,429 posts)
4. She's wrong, though.
A robust primary is what the Democrats needed and they needed someone to pull them left. They still do. That's the way to win, not doubling down on centrism or "Third way" which is what some are advocating.
Star Member Egnever (20,089 posts)
63. Rose colored glasses
Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3, 2008.
Clinton did not formally end her presidential campaign until June 7, 2008.
Seems silly to complain and this was over a month after it was obvious Obama would win and 4 days after he had officially passed the clinching numbers.
She laid the precedent.
Complaining when it happens to her seems petty.
I think Skinner will have another purge soon. Those damned Troskyites and their version of the truth!
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Sourpuss Sanders actually took it quite easy on her, he refused to touch the email thing despite the wide-open opportunity, and was really quite gentlemanly in his conduct (For a Presidential contest) toward the horrid criminal crone.
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Well, at least one primitive spoke the truth:
.....A certain someone did not graciously concede. He drug it out for forever, continually attacking the Democratic Party establishment, as he put it, and had to figuratively be dragged kicking and screaming to concede, and because of that, it came off as halfhearted and his supporters got that message, as did the rest of us.....
When are Skins's primitives going to figure it out?
It wasn't Donald Trump and the Electoral College--or Vladik's mob--that put him in the White House; it was Democrats supportive of the hoary old white-haired sourassed sourpuss crank from Vermont and his thieving wife who did.
<<<if were Democrat, would hang, draw, and quarter all of Manny's primitives, down to the last one.
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Hilliary: I was the Anointed Successor! How dare Bernie Primary me?!!!
DU-Folk: Ye-e-e-e-e-eah! Ye-e-e-e-e-eah! Ye-e-e-e-e-eah!
Dingy Harry and Miss Nancy might have given Hilliary some competition, but she was pretty much the worst candidate the :-) Democrat Party :-) could have nominated on this side of prison bars.
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So far the old bitch has blamed Comey, The Russians, The Macedonians, Jill Stein, The deplorables, and now Bernie. Her ass is still hurting 10 months later. :-) :-) :loser: :loser:
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So far the old bitch has blamed Comey, The Russians, The Macedonians, Jill Stein, The deplorables, and now Bernie. Her ass is still hurting 10 months later. :-) :-) :loser: :loser:
She'll still be doing it on Nov. 9th 2020 as long as there is still a GOP President. That woman will never admit to anything being her fault. Leftist's can't admit to any wrong doing or mistakes. To them it's a sign of weakness.