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Title: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: franksolich on August 05, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/vote-at-nissan-goes-down-2244/

Oh my.

Too bad.

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caliny (1806 posts)   August 4, 2017 at 9:04 pm

Vote at Nissan goes down 2244 to 1,307

    Vote at @Nissan goes down 2244 NO votes to 1307 YES votes. Statement forthcoming.

    — UAW (@UAW) August 5, 2017

    UAW President Dennis Williams Statement on @Nissan vote pic.twitter.com/RvsOAMtk8v

    — UAW (@UAW) August 5, 2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/the-latest-union-voting-closes-at-mississippi-nissan-plant/2017/08/04/f59f36b0-7971-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.95d1a62d7779

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A spokeswoman for Nissan Motor Co. said late Friday that the union lost a pivotal vote by 3,700 eligible workers. Nissan says the final vote total was 2,244 to 1,307.

The union formally charged Nissan with breaking federal law in its anti-union campaign as polls closed. Federal officials could eventually order a new election if they agree. Nissan denies wrongdoing and says the UAW seeks to undermine the vote.

https://uaw.org/nissan-threats-intimidation-tilt-outcome-union-election-mississippi/amp/

Following an unprecedented campaign of corporate threats and intimation, Nissan employees tonight fell short in their bid for a union.

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Rocky (667 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 4, 2017 at 10:12 pm

1. And the proles vote against their own best interests….

again.

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aspirant (1544 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 4, 2017 at 10:49 pm

2. Who counted the votes?

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Omaha Steve (1142 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 4, 2017 at 11:25 pm

3. Poor dumb bastards that voted against their own chance…

For democracy in the workplace

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Populist Prole (566 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 5, 2017 at 12:38 am

4. "Thank you sir, may I please have another!"

That they’re siding with management isn’t lack of information, it’s disinformation.

Reading some of the late Joe Bageant’s writings of his time spent talking to the working poor in the Winchester Va area, it’s flabbergasting at not only how accepting they are to race-to-the-bottom economic policies, but at how they’ve been brainwashed into bragging about it’s “necessity” to stay “competitive with the rest of the world” and at how they “don’t want to price themselves out of the world labor market”. Staggering knuckling under ( willingly at that ) to authority. They sound like they swallowed a sheaf of pro-corporate op-eds.

Honestly, I’m surprised that as much as 36-37 percent voted FOR representation. Glad it was that much and not an absolute rout.

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Enthusiast (8546 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 5, 2017 at 3:33 am

5. This is a great disappointment but not at all surprising.

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Fasttense (1413 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 5, 2017 at 5:28 am

6. You knw if they couldn't sell their crappy cars here

Then they would allow our workers to unionize. Why do they get away with breaking our laws yet they still sell their crap in our markets.

Seems like our oligarchs are now inviting in foreign oligarchs to abuse our labor force just like they abuse us.
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: SVPete on August 05, 2017, 09:20:38 AM
Union thugs lost a vote by nearly a 2-1 margin? In Mississippi? :rotf: I'm shocked! :lmao: Shocked! :rotf:

Maybe these Mississippians grew up watching the union thugs strangling Chrysler and GM and hobbling Ford and decided not to repeat that stupidity.
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: freedumb2003b on August 05, 2017, 09:25:58 AM
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Rocky (667 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 4, 2017 at 10:12 pm

1. And the proles vote against their own best interests….

again.

Yes, the poor suckers need their masters and bettern's to tell them what to do and how to manage their lives.
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: SVPete on August 05, 2017, 09:26:55 AM
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Fasttense (1413 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 5, 2017 at 5:28 am

6. You knw if they couldn't sell their crappy cars here

Then they would allow our workers to unionize. ...

In addition to the union thug greed I mentioned above, Toyota and Datsun/Nissan ate AMC's, Chrysler's, Ford's, and GM's lunch in the 1970s and 1980s by having better quality.
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: BattleHymn on August 05, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
In addition to the union thug greed I mentioned above, Toyota and Datsun/Nissan ate AMC's, Chrysler's, Ford's, and GM's lunch in the 1970s and 1980s by having better quality.

You forgot the 90s and the early 2000s, too.  :-)

Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: freedumb2003b on August 05, 2017, 10:27:46 AM
You forgot the 90s and the early 2000s, too.  :-)

It continues to this day.
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: SVPete on August 05, 2017, 10:59:18 AM
You forgot the 90s and the early 2000s, too.  :-)

Once sloppy design/manufacturing tolerances and don't-give-a-shit union drones got Detroit behind, they never really caught up (E.G. the automatic trans in 1990s Chrysler minivans were :pokingpoop: ! "Guaranteed" to need to be replaced around 90K-100K miles!).
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: Old n Grumpy on August 05, 2017, 05:58:06 PM
Wow, now the Russians and Macedonians are messing with the unions!! This is really big news. We need to get code pink to show up in front of the plant in their vagina outfits to protest this. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: I_B_Perky on August 05, 2017, 06:21:36 PM
I liked this little quote from the dummie OP:

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Following an unprecedented campaign of corporate threats and intimation, Nissan employees tonight fell short in their bid for a union.

All your unions are belong to us!!!!    :rotf:
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: SVPete on August 05, 2017, 09:09:28 PM
Nissan employees rejected the union. By an almost 2-1 margin.



Union R! E! J! E! C! T! E! D!
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: Vagabond on August 06, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
I'm the slightly odd duck here when it comes to unions and unionization.  I'm neither against or for a union without knowing the particular facts of a situation.  More directly, I am of the opinion that unionization is usually the result of poor management practices (unfair wages, unsafe working environment, ignoring employees).

First, the UAW and unions in general haven't been able to grasp that times have changed.  It isn't likely that the worker are going to want a closed shop.  It isn't likely that they are going to accept certification as permanent fixture which means the union being subject to re-certification or decertification votes every few years.  In other words, unions are going to have to sell their services to their desired customers.  That is going to mean things like lowering their process and actually efficiently representing the workers rather than behaving as slush funds for corrupt politicians and organized crime.

Second, the union is approaching the wrong workers.  Employees at the car company vehicle assembly plants report that they are fairly happy with their condition.  They feel they are paid fairly, their work is generally safe, and that management generally listens to their input.  That isn't fertile ground for a union.  Where they should be focusing their efforts is at the plants where the parts for the assembly plants are being built.  There are repeated reports, including Federal OSHA complaints and fines, that the employees are not fairly paid, the working conditions are dangerous, and management does not care about employee concerns.  There isn't as much money to be made there, but if UAW wants to show the average Alabamian or Mississippian that they can provide them some positive worth, they really should start at those places.
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: FunkyZero on August 06, 2017, 08:18:51 AM
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democracy in the workplace

I really do wonder how these worthless bags of skin manage to get dressed every day.
Seriously... I have a low tolerance for stupid already, and when I see them blurt out inane idiocy like this, it's hard to not break something.
I mean, these people are actually allowed to vote.
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: Rufus2010 on August 06, 2017, 10:43:36 AM
Love it when the union thugs get bitchslapped.

Falling into irrelevancy is a bitch, ain't it?
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: Old n Grumpy on August 06, 2017, 11:23:59 AM
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Rocky (667 posts) (Reply to original post)   August 4, 2017 at 10:12 pm

1. And the proles vote against their own best interests….

again.

How do you know that? do you even have a job you lazy asshole.  Do you know what the union will do for them that isn't already being done? Do you think the union  is doing anything for them for free or from the kindness of their hearts?
**** NO, the union wants the dues, they want to take some of the workers hard earned money to live off of and to piss away the rest on useless corrupt dimocrap candidates.  :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: Manny's primitives, including the big blob, discuss Nissan vote
Post by: SVPete on August 07, 2017, 04:03:44 PM
Some very interesting info about the UAW toward the end of this article. (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2017/08/05/ap-only-vaguely-refers-uaw-chrysler-scandal-covering-unions-nissan) As the article points out, Nissan apparently used this Fiat-Chrysler--UAW scandal to demonstrate to workers that the UAW could not be trusted to represent their interests. As a side note, seeing that article a few minutes ago was the first I'd heard of it. I guess this was another "Local Story" in the view of the national MSM.