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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: fatboy on June 24, 2017, 05:34:42 PM
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Excuse the verbosity
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:33 PM
procon (6,077 posts)
Democrats are still bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Republicans fight dirty. They don't use facts, they lie, cheat and steal, and they get away with it because the voters love the idea of sticking it to the evil lefties. Look what they say about Democrats; we're all traitors, lazy, moochers, welfare queens, elitists, cowards, feminists, foreigners, commies, socialists, and we hate the righteous gun loving, straight, patriot, white, working, Christians who love America. <--- ouch!
To counter the constant, 24/7 miasma of rightwing propaganda churned out by their accomplices in partisan TV, hate radio, the internet, emails and print, what do Democrats do? We toss out a few dry facts and we tell jokes by trying to ridicule, embarrass or mock whatever atrocious policy Republicans are trying to foist on us. We politely call them, "mean" and "meaner" while they scream that Democrats are godless murderers, then we cut to funny SNL video clips. <---Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia!
I don't know the answer, or how to get Dems to fight back more effectively, but clearly TPTB are going about this all wrong. <----Impeachment Now! Impeachment Now! Impeachment Now! Impeachment Now! At a minimum, even a simple declarative statement of intent would be a good place to start with an easily understood, uniform message. Look, we have all the facts, the polls, the studies, the science, the experts, and the information on our side, but we don't use any of that information fake news effectively. :lmao: :lmao: We aren't serious about fighting for our (lack of) principles and all too often Democrats are driven into a defensive crouch crotch because we let Republicans frame the game to their own best benefit and make us look weak and inept. <--- Listen to Buggy, and take her direction!
I'm so tired and depressed :tongue: about the endless concession speeches from candidates who end up as sad footnotes, (Hillery?) also rans and wannabes, while Republicans chalk up another victory dance! Those aren't positive traits that will attract voters, so how can Democrats get back in the game and be a strong, competitive force against Republican lies? <---And most important, how do we combat our run-on sentences?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029248457
Response to procon (Original post)
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:41 PM
Binkie The Clown (3,186 posts)
1. If you ask me, Dems are bringing a Tuna Casserole and an acoustic guitar to a gun fight. n/t
Nobody asked you, piker.
Response to Binkie The Clown (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:54 PM
procon (6,077 posts)
2. I'd laugh, but then I'd be part of the problem I just complained about. <--- no problem, we got it covered :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
But your analogy is perfect. Maybe it's genetics and we're just hardwired to be non confrontational? <---could it be that your momma dropped you on your head wen you were in diapers? I don't understand why we tend to be so complicit, but I'm guilty too. Pass the casserole, please, and can you play, "If I Had A Hammer"? If I had and IDEA! I'd RESIST in the morning!
Response to Initech (Reply #3)
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 03:11 PM
Star Member smirkymonkey (23,366 posts)
4. We have been too nice for too long.
It's time to start playing dirty
Thank you Einstein, another Great Idea!
Response to Paladin (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 03:14 PM
Star Member Initech (60,871 posts)
8. I don't know. I would love to start a left-wing Infowars / Breitbart.
The question is how do we go about doing that?
Get off the puter?
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They don't use facts, they lie, cheat and steal, and they get away with it because the voters love the idea of sticking it to the evil lefties. Look what they say about Democrats; we're all traitors, lazy, moochers, welfare queens, elitists, cowards, feminists, foreigners, commies, socialists, and we hate the righteous gun loving, straight, patriot, white, working, Christians who love America.
And where in that diatribe is a lie that we tell about you?
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8. I don't know. I would love to start a left-wing Infowars / Breitbart.
The question is how do we go about doing that?
huffpo, NYT, MSNBCBSNPR, LAT, polico -- hell 90% of the interwebz and all media are left wing. But err America pointed out your problem: leftist ideas cannot win by themselves in the marketplace of ideas. They can only exist in echo chambers when all other ideas have been removed.
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huffpo, NYT, MSNBCBSNPR, LAT, polico -- hell 90% of the interwebz and all media are left wing. But err America pointed out your problem: leftist ideas cannot win by themselves in the marketplace of ideas. They can only exist in echo chambers when all other ideas have been removed.
Media Matters, Think Progress, Mensch, Taylor, RawStory, TruthOut, more loony-toony skews outlets than I can think of.