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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 27, 2017, 11:20:53 AM
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Star Member pnwmom (82,689 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029122734
Claude Taylor: Trump was hand-delivered a sealed target letter.
If you click on this tweet, it leads to a few follow-up tweets.
Claude Taylor @TrueFactsStated
1. Trump has been formally notified via a sealed target letter that he is a suspect (target) in a Grand Jury investigation.
7:41 AM - 26 May 2017
4,799 4,799 Retweets 7,816 7,816 likes
Claude Taylor is a Democrat who worked in the 90's as Director of Volunteers for Bill Clinton ,and has worked in 3 campaigns. He was the first to report the existence of Grand Juries, including one in the Eastern District of Virginia, investigating Trump/Russia.
Oh, good lord... not this shit again.
Star Member hrmjustin (70,117 posts)
1. Didn't he [taylor] claim he [trump] was already indicted?
I've edited it for clarity...
FBaggins (16,370 posts)
50. Nope...
It was "a sealed indictment has been granted against Donald Trump.
L. Coyote (39,858 posts)
36. Correct, sealed indictments were handed down. This is another step, informing the target.
They have quite the list of correct breaking stories, so this is likely going to be verified too.
gldstwmn (41 posts)
2. Is this the one that was
delivered by the SCOTUS Marshall on the runway or is this different? I can't keep up anymore.
L. Coyote (39,858 posts)
37. Different. The runway letter was a court notice that he had to comply on the Giulliani Memo.
Trump was defying a court order to release the Giulliani memo which goes to the intent of the Muslim Ban. Don't know id that has been done or if Trump is still defying the US Supreme Court's lawful order and the orders of three other courts.
FBaggins (16,370 posts)
52. Did you miss that a video exists?
You can watch uncut video from the time that Marine Corps 1 lands. Watch Trump on the entire walk from MC1 to AF1... through the aircraft departing.
At no point did the Marshal of the Supreme Court appear.
Not that a video should be needed. A high school civics education should suffice.
L. Coyote (39,858 posts)
39. They are just independent journalists doing reporting. They aren't reporters for corporations, they
are independent, far better if you don't mind the lack of support from an editor and the scrutiny of a paycheck writer.
Star Member The Wielding Truth (9,628 posts)
4. YAY! If true, time is up for the "Don". The case is closing around him.
Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (51,317 posts)
8. It isn't. That isn't how the process works.
Clyde and his pal Louise Mensch can't even get their legal terminology straight, but they keep issuing these unsourced and unverified bits of gossip that never go anywhere. If this were true and someone on the inside knew about it, do you seriously think they'd leak the info to a couple of obscure and unreliable bloggers? If they wanted their information to get out they'd go to the New York Times or the Washington Post or some other reputable media outlet.
Star Member pnwmom (82,689 posts)
13. What is implausible about the possibility that Trump has been given
a target letter that is sealed to public view?
Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (51,317 posts)
15. He's a sitting president. He won't be indicted while he's in office.
The legal definition of a target is "a person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is a putative defendant." https://www.justice.gov/usam/usam-9-11000-grand-jury#9-11.153 Because of the principles of separation of powers/executive privilege, sitting presidents are not indicted or prosecuted for crimes while in office; therefore Trump couldn't be considered a "putative defendant." A grand jury could list him as an unindicted co-conspirator, as happened to Nixon in March of 1974, but if that is done it would not be publicly disclosed. "In the absence of some significant justification, federal prosecutors generally should not identify unindicted co-conspirators in conspiracy indictments." 9-11.130. (Nixon did testify before a grand jury in 1975, after he resigned and had been pardoned, in connection with ongoing Watergate investigations.)
Then there's this:
9-11.153 - Notification of Targets
"When a target is not called to testify pursuant to USAM 9-11.150, and does not request to testify on his or her own motion (see USAM 9-11.152), the prosecutor, in appropriate cases, is encouraged to notify such person a reasonable time before seeking an indictment in order to afford him or her an opportunity to testify before the grand jury, subject to the conditions set forth in USAM 9-11.152. Notification would not be appropriate in routine clear cases or when such action might jeopardize the investigation or prosecution because of the likelihood of flight, destruction or fabrication of evidence, endangerment of other witnesses, undue delay or otherwise would be inconsistent with the ends of justice." https://www.justice.gov/usam/usam-9-11000-grand-jury#9-11.153
So, even if Trump could be a "putative defendant," he would not necessarily have to be notified he was a target if this "might jeopardize the investigation or prosecution because of the likelihood of flight, destruction or fabrication of evidence, endangerment of other witnesses, undue delay or otherwise would be inconsistent with the ends of justice." If you were a federal prosecutor, knowing how Trump operates, would you send him a target letter that would warn him and give him a chance to destroy or fabricate evidence?
Star Member pnwmom (82,689 posts)
20. How do you know that a Grand Jury or Juries weren't convened
under James Comey?
He told the Senate Intelligence Committee that he had been working with two prosecutors, and specifically named the Eastern district of Virginia -- a court that Claude Taylor had already named as the location of a Trump/Russia Grand Jury.
From May 6, before Comey was fired, about what Keith Olbermann was reporting:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/olbermann-trump-grand-jury_us_590d27f0e4b0104c734f3ae9
There is “strong reason to believe there is a grand jury sitting in the Eastern District of Virginia right now hearing evidence about the connections between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Russians.” he said on “The Resistance,” his GQ web series.
Comey indicated as much, Olbermann argued, when he testifed Wedesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Comey, in response to a question from Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) on Wednesday, said he was currently “coordinating” with “two sets of prosecutors,” including the “main Justice National Security Division” and “the Eastern District of Virginia U.S. Attorney’s Office.”
Olbermann said that he talked to John Dean, former White House counsel for Richard Nixon, about Comey’s comments and that Dean, a key witness in the Watergate hearings, said it would be “difficult to believe that there is not a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia.”
Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (51,317 posts)
28. I don't believe anything Claude Taylor says, for one thing.
For another thing, and more importantly, Comey wouldn't have been convening any grand juries. He was the Director of the FBI - the police, basically - and not the prosecutor. Grand juries are convened not by the FBI but by the U.S. Attorney for the district where the grand jury is to meet. For Comey to say that he was "working with" prosecutors in E.D. Va. does not mean the U.S. Attorney for the district (who would have been fired on January 20 with all the rest of them) had convened a grand jury. Again, although the FBI had begun investigating the Russia hack last summer, it is highly doubtful that they were, or are yet, ready to seek indictments.
Star Member BainsBane (41,581 posts)
14. Are any of these predictions going to pan out?
It was several weeks ago we were told indictments would be issued the next day. Yet they didn't. I can't even count the number of tweets like this I've seen posted her predicting one momentous event after another. I understand people badly want to believe that Trump is about to be taken down, but wishes aren't fact. When these people who claim inside knowledge make one claim after another that don't transpire, it begs the question of why people continue to hang on their every tweet.
Star Member Warren DeMontague (78,167 posts)
31. 24 business hours.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/v9Y4XHpqrT4g2FiR905C7OqMgCU8M6MK53e54Tk6F19Qdm7AtLaQzFr4H4yU16cHAfTZNLJ6kXm-YocBmQP4O8hzb8uljuG6Jm4Uj6nsmYTpOSDprqfRnbUOr8dNu7Jp8YCJDxn-7Ypl1948SoSoHcupKie5ZyNElFfSAtI3V0V5QxaYguWMXyQlGw5IfU6A2R3Ads03W028Z3PuvUN8emOc7p4brIVZI-oE37ynZMenuhSTULcuqYjCYQk08uXdKQgY-uYlVyW9UjXPmX7qBHsIlt3Wyd4drlPd36syP4w6g5fzPBE2qoad_-NUEZGPXCpUIaSKzaIrgoQuWWcF04fFm2HakJWHlHHwS23X5hEjKBrE5eAu6gEAjLfZvhw2izgw-Qeq9GVIB15GarPT6hI-4y-fXIKV-1g0rYcTr8X25igs3WCsuP5UdNapUDyipjsdAaZQoBU6Ar04TDisGI1z87BsP2O1cOE0U27Aw0MhFbG1iEV8TxfOmaIEYbkunbUTfBoFjf9Vx678kUFLVqjKpYrRA50sbYgHo_RcehqRZoESYSv1JN9KE5PWRlRbjM0lwLeX7MTcRrt99qRzJXzeK6c8ZXrVrtUgOXd4aL0nI7sQSh3o=w1369-h770-no)
when even DU busts your OP, you know you are doing something wrong.
Special thanks to guest ex-DUmpmonkie Willy Pitt.
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Toasty legs turning tide time yet?
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I asked my schadenboner what he thought of this but my schadenboner was to busy laughing to answer me.
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WOW!!! It looks like President Trump is toast!!
Rumor has it Hitlery is on the road heading to DC with her inauguration pants suit and a case of depends!! :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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What are the Hague's hours for frogmarching GOP Presidents, again?
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What are the Hague's hours for frogmarching GOP Presidents, again?
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24 business hours from any given moment
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Can't believe it until the Palmer Report weighs in.
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"its beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas, everywhere I go" :popcorn:
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Claude Taylor is Louise Mensch's BFF, and primary source.
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Claude Taylor is Louise Mensch's BFF, and primary source.
It's a liberal circle jerk. One of those idiots see something mentioned on another blog or message board, like DU, then they report it as fact. The other one claims to have a very good source and runs with the story and embellishes it.
This just feeds the other blogs and messageboards. Soon everyone knows these "facts" except the MSM and the people actually involved.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlzVDDSfeeA[/youtube]
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Does anyone really believe a genuine leaker would go to Taylor, Mensch, & Palmer rather than the NYT, WashPost,etc.?
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:25 AM
oberliner (43,619 posts)
48. This is so obviously BS
I legitimately do not understand why people believe this nonsense.
Response to oberliner (Reply #48)
Sat May 27, 2017, 10:09 AM
Star Member MineralMan (94,308 posts)
60. It's always a matter of curiosity about why people
believe improbable and mysterious things. People seem to be programmed to want to believe something. In many cases, just about anything will do, apparently.
George,we have your "predictions" documented here. :lmao: