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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on April 15, 2017, 10:54:35 AM
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TransitJohn (6,916 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028934368
Is it Constitutional for Trump to just pardon himself preemptively?
Curious about this. It's obvious that he doesn't give a shit about the country, its people, or even his own legacy (he's surely to go down as worst President). I'm just wondering if it is feasible that he just pardons himself to keep his ass out of the slammer.
it's more likely he's gonna have to pardon barry for all the shit he did...
Star Member MineralMan (92,996 posts)
3. I don't believe a President can pardon himself at all.
The precedent is Ford pardoning Nixon. That's how it works. There's not way a conflict of interest like pardoning oneself could possibly stand. Won't happen.
:thatsright:
Zambero (4,358 posts)
11. Gorsuch is Trump's ace in the hole
Trump can pretty much do whatever he wants and will be upheld 5-4. And since all the precedents for an incoming POTUS have been summarily done away with, why not? Trump must realize that he's in deep doo-doo so he might as well go for it. Golf beats prison.
::)
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TransitJohn (6,916 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028934368
Is it Constitutional for Trump to just pardon himself preemptively?
Curious about this. It's obvious that he doesn't give a shit about the country, its people, or even his own legacy (he's surely to go down as worst President). I'm just wondering if it is feasible that he just pardons himself to keep his ass out of the slammer.
No President can pardon themselves. Try again!
Star Member MineralMan (92,996 posts)
3. I don't believe a President can pardon himself at all.
The precedent is Ford pardoning Nixon. That's how it works. There's not way a conflict of interest like pardoning oneself could possibly stand. Won't happen.
President Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, who are two different people.
Ford was right to pardon Nixon.
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I guess if Trump drank a glass of 7-Up really fast he could ask those around him to pardon him in advance of any burp or belch his pounding down the 7-Up might cause, so yes, he can preemptively pardon himself.
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Where on the five stages of grief is delusion?
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Where on the five stages of grief is delusion?
Buried somewhere in that anger part.
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Before President Trump is pardoned by anyone, he would have to commit a federal crime and be tried or face a trial.
No crime means no need for a pardon. Contrary to what DUmmies might think, beating Hillary like a $2 whore in the election is not a crime.
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They should be thinking about whether Trump could be persuaded to pardon Obama, Hillary, Susan Rice, and others of that cabal.
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Before President Trump is pardoned by anyone, he would have to commit a federal crime and be tried or face a trial.
No crime means no need for a pardon. Contrary to what DUmmies might think, beating Hillary like a $2 whore in the election is not a crime.
But, he hates powerful women like Hillary!!!! (DU mode)
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But, he hates powerful women like Hillary!!!! (DU mode)
On the contrary, his daughter is powerful in her own right and I doubt that he hates her. :rofl: Maybe he just hates anti-American women that crave power like Hillary does.
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TransitJohn (6,916 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028934368
Is it Constitutional for Trump to just pardon himself preemptively?
Curious about this. It's obvious that he doesn't give a shit about the country, its people, or even his own legacy (he's surely to go down as worst President). I'm just wondering if it is feasible that he just pardons himself to keep his ass out of the slammer.
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60551902/archie-bunker-1-aw-geeze-not-this-liberal-bullshit-again.jpg)
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Star Member MineralMan (92,996 posts)
3. I don't believe a President can pardon himself at all.
The precedent is Ford pardoning Nixon. Huh?!?! That's how it works. :o There's not way a conflict of interest like pardoning oneself could possibly stand. Won't happen.
Aren't you the infant expert. :thatsright:
Geeeez.........
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The President can, at least in theory, pardon himself for federal crimes he or she may have committed. That does not protect that President from impeachment proceedings, however, and the conflict of interest would be earthquake-level and utterly ensure that President were run out of office in moments were it to occur.
But, as noted, this requires actual crimes to have been committed, and the DUmmies' fantasies about this don't count.
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But, as noted, this requires actual crimes to have been committed, and the DUmmies' fantasies about this don't count.
If recent threads in this forum are any indicator, DU-folks' Hate-Trump fantasies have been running rampant. Must be how they "celebrate" Easter - zombie-resurrections of rotting conspiracy theories.
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The President can, at least in theory, pardon himself for federal crimes he or she may have committed. That does not protect that President from impeachment proceedings, however, and the conflict of interest would be earthquake-level and utterly ensure that President were run out of office in moments were it to occur.
But, as noted, this requires actual crimes to have been committed, and the DUmmies' fantasies about this don't count.
I agree. The pardon power is what is known as a 'Plenary power,' i.e. it's complete unto itself and does not require any condition or cooperation from anyone else to use. It is theoretically possible to do this, but it wouldn't protect a President from impeachment, if anything it would spur it on. A pardon relieves a person from criminal liability, which as the Nixon pardon showed, could be as broad as Cardinal Richelieu's writ from The Three Musketeers. However, impeachment is not, strictly speaking, a criminal prosecution. There is no sentence imposed, the consequence is simply removal from office, which does not even technically prevent the removed official from running for the exact same office again in the next election cycle.
The pardon does not stand in the way of impeachment proceedings, so there would be no point in a President doing this unless he was simply interested in avoiding jail time and criminal conviction after concluding that his own removal from office was inevitable.
But it is great fun to watch the DUmmies fap themselves into a frenzy of fear and rage about the very prospect of such a ridiculous proposition.