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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on March 20, 2017, 02:19:28 AM
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Star Member Generic Other (23,884 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028806649
Shamus K. felt the need to post this on my mother's Youtube video on the day she died
Such a sad person.
Shamus K1 hour ago (edited)
I read your little scree on Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028805861
As a military retiree with 28 years of service and now a federal DOD employee let me clear some of your confusion up
1. Military retiree healthcare isn't the same as Congress or the POTUS gets. Not even close. In fact its worse than medicaid in most cases. And it keeps getting worse every year. The nearest Doc that takes my military healthcare insurance is nearly 80 miles away. And that's the 7th PCM I've had in the last year because reimbursement rates are so shitty everyone drops us.
2. Military retiree healthcare isn't free. Not by a long shot. Even though we were promised free lifetime healthcare in return for a career of service
3. Military retiree healthcare is an EARNED benefit. EARNED through contractually obligated service of 20+ years. As shitty as this benefit is and as much as it keeps getting eroded its EARNED.
I don't know ANY retiree who thinks everyone is entitled to a benefit we EARNED. I doubt this lady did either. I'm sure that whole diatribe on DU was just that. BS.
Its pretty despicable to use the (supposed) death of an 89 year old lady to rant about universal healthcare
Especially when your information is flat out wrong and/or a lie
So yeah. If you want some of our awesome "free" "world class" universal healthcare sign up. Serve 20+ years and multiple combat deployments and EARN this awesome benefit you have delusions about. Key word being EARNED.
While on active duty the military provides free healthcare for one reason. Because we are parts of machines. In order for the machine to function as intended it has to be maintained. In this case its medical care for the human parts of the machine.
When we retire we're no longer part of that machine and the military would completely do away with our healthcare if they could get away with it. And Congress has been trying the last few decades. They keeps making it so expensive and inaccessible for us that we don't use it. As is the case for me and my family.
BY THE WAY, THE "SUPPOSED" DEAD WIDOW YOU TRASHED ME ABOUT USING, HERE'S WHAT HER HUSBAND DID TO SERVE HIS ****ING COUNTRY!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b2/35/98/b23598080fc4cb51ac154994b31eed43.jpg)
I don't know who Shamus K is but I do know my father fought for ALL Americans.
He didn't earn a bronze star for killing Germans in the Battle of the Bulge. He earned it for saving an 18 year old kid's life by carrying him 10 miles through enemy territory. I have a letter from the man thanking my father. That's why he is a hero. He also believed Americans should have the right to universal healthcare.
on edit: I deleted his stuff and blocked him as he continued to post what clearly became troll bait. Thanks DU for doubling the hits on my mom's video. She would be pleased.
well,...
Your mom died. Sorry about that. As for the guy who posted on your FB page- you deleted it so... eh. He was right about almost all of the VA care we retired military get, by the way.
As for the image you posted about your dad's decorations...
First off they are way out of order. Now- you little ****head wouldn't know about that so I'm not blaming you. He's got a pretty good fruit salad for an enlisted guy during WWII, and som eUN/Korea shit int here too.
The top on is the Presidential Unit Citation. It was usually awarded for a unit doing great service- but a soldier could wear it if he was in the unit when it was awarded. He's got a good conduct medal with two knots- symbolizing 9 years service. Next is the American Campaign medal.
For service during World War II within the American Theater of Operations. The American Campaign Medal was established by Executive Order on November 6, 1942 and amended on March 15, 1946, which established a closing date. The medal is awarded to any member of the Armed Forces who served in the American Theater of Operations during the period from December 7, 1941 to March 2, 1946 or was awarded a combat decoration while in combat against the enemy. The service must have been an aggregate of one year within the continental United States, or thirty consecutive days outside the continental United States, or sixty nonconsecutive days outside the continental United States, but within the American Theater of Operations.
Next is the European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal.European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal. Authorized on November 6, 1942, as amended on March 15, 1946. Awarded to members of the U.S. Armed Forces for at least 30 days of consecutive (60 days nonconsecutive) service within the European Theater of Operations between December 7, 1941 and November 8, 1945 (lesser periods qualify if individual was in actual combat against the enemy during this period). He has two service stars showing service in at least three campaigns.
Next is the WW2 Victory Medal. Authorized by Act of Congress on July 6, 1945 and awarded to all members of the Armed Forces who served at least one day of honorable, active federal service between December 7, 1941 and December 31, 1946, inclusive.
Next is the Army of Occupation Medal is a military award of the United States military which was established by the United States War Department on 5 April 1946.[2] The medal was created in the aftermath of the Second World War to recognize those who had performed occupation service in either Germany, Italy, Austria, or Japan.
Then we have the Korean Service Medal, the Longevity Medal for the Air Force... another odd choice..., The Presidential Unit Citation for Korea... like the other PUC, could be worn by a soldier who was in teh unit when it was awarded ,and then the UN Korean Service Medal.
A very odd ribbon set- showing service in two different military services over two wars.
Not saying it's total bull shit- but pretty unlikely.
eh...
Oh- yeah... there is no bronze star medal on there.
Star Member Generic Other (23,884 posts)
7. I don't know who Shamus K is but I do know my father fought for ALL Americans.
He didn't earn a bronze star for killing Germans in the Battle of the Bulge. He earned it from saving an 18 year old kid's life by carrying him 10 miles through enemy territory. I have a letter from the man thanking my father. That's why he is a hero. He earned it the right to be respected as a true hero. He would also believe Americans should have the right to universal healthcare.
Hey- just so you know... this is a Bronze Star.
(http://www.medalsofamerica.com/Galleria/1/F018-Large.jpg)
Star Member JennyMominFL (79 posts)
10. I get tricare
He must live in the middle of nowhere. I find tricare taken just about everywhere. I have not had a problem in 20+ years. I have AIDS and my medical care costs of fortune, or it would without Tricare. I pay nothing except a nominal amount for prescription. I have access to top of the line drugs and new treatments. Never been dropped by anyone and between my husband and I we see multiple Specialists. Heck my husband had one of the first neurostimulators available in the entire county and Tricare paid without question.
I had to come back to add..Tricare for ALL. Everyone should get the care I do. Then maybe the military could put that money inot active duty pay, retirement pay of VA disability benefits.
My nearest VA hospital is 110 miles away. It's usually weeks before I can get an appointment.
Star Member MineralMan (92,149 posts)
17. For those who can't identify those ribbons, here's a list
From the top, and then left to right in rows:
Army Presidential Unit Citation
Army Good Conduct Ribbon
WWII American Campaign Medal
WWII Europe-Africa-Middle East Medal
WWII Victory Medal
WWII Army Occupation Medal
Korean Service Medal
Korean Defence Command Medal
Don't know bottom row left
Korean Presidential Unit Citation
Don't know bottom row right
I thank him for his service!
Star Member Docreed2003 (1,719 posts)
28. FWIW....
As a bronze star recipient, there will be a record of this citation, you may even have it yourself. If you can find it, you should be able to get the ribbon and add it to your fathers ribbon rack. If you'd like help, I'd be happy to help.
As for the poster, disgusting. I'm sorry someone could be such an ass to you during your time of mourning. The gall for this "so called" veteran to question the truthfulness of your post is the lowest and most vile.
Actually- they are all listed on the internet. You simply look him up.
star Member Generic Other (23,884 posts)
33. I did not know this
I thought the ribbons identified the award. I think the DD Form 214 lists the medals and other stuff though.
It does.
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Thanks for all of this. Very educational, and I'm fascinated by this stuff.
A very odd ribbon set- showing service in two different military services over two wars.
Is it possible that this person was AAF in WWII and then stayed on as Air Force afterward and then went to Korea? Or would AAF have a different set of ribbons?
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Thanks for all of this. Very educational, and I'm fascinated by this stuff.Is it possible that this person was AAF in WWII and then stayed on as Air Force afterward and then went to Korea? Or would AAF have a different set of ribbons?
That was the possibility that came to my (life-long civilian - i.e. no direct experience) mind as well. I've been told that my FIL was states-side during WW2 (OTOH, his brother was at Bataan, and more besides), was in the USAAC and transitioned into the USAF, but decided to go back into the Army.
What that doesn't explain is what this Father supposedly did to earn a Bronze Star. If he was in the USAAC and "sav(ed) an 18 year old kid's life by carrying him 10 miles through enemy territory" either he was in a plane that was shot down (bailing out before it crashed) or his unit was overrun without his being captured. Not impossible, but not exactly common circumstances.
I understand the DU-members reaction to her Father's service being questioned. OTOH, I also understand the reaction of people who have served to people who claimed to have served, but did not (or who grossly exaggerate their service). What the DU-member side-steps is the majority of that post on Youtube, which shows that VA medical care is, well, as short of excellent, and even scandalous, as was revealed in the last couple of years of Obama. I guess it could not enter her brain that that kind of less than excellent medical care would be one of the universals in "universal Healthcare". She has a Utopian vision that blinders her to reality.
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Thanks for all of this. Very educational, and I'm fascinated by this stuff.Is it possible that this person was AAF in WWII and then stayed on as Air Force afterward and then went to Korea? Or would AAF have a different set of ribbons?
it is possible- but you have to remember that the Air Force was The Army Air Corps -became the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) on 20 June 1941.
If he was in Korea (1950-53) he could have served in the military in WW2 and then stayed in (hence occupation medal- which was the same for all branches) until Korean war. His good conduct medals signify up to 12 years of service (12 years would have been the medal and 3 knots on the bar- each symbolizing 3 years service) say 1941 to 1953.
So- long serving Air Force type-enlisted soldier. The story about carrying a guy ten miles back to friendly lines at first I thought- "Oh, come on- Bullshit" until I thought about various actions in Korea- either right at the beginning with the North attack all the way to Pusan (most likely being Air Force) or after the Chinese intervention.
Still no Bronze Star, though.