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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on January 10, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
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Hmmm.
She must've been given an afternoon out of nursing home.
grasswire (230 posts) January 10, 2017 at 12:51 am
Serious question that doesn't seem to fit anywhere
Something is bugging me about an altercation I witnessed the other day at a city bus stop. There were two young woman from the neighborhood waiting for the bus at the stop by the grocery store. And a man came down the block to the bus stop. Maybe late 30s — he was wearing a hoodie so I’m not real sure of his age. He pulled a suitcase with a bedroll on it, and appeared to be one of the transient types that pass through.
I wasn’t paying a lot of attention, but before long, he was ranting at one of the women. Very ugly stuff. He got right up in her face, and there was only anger and fervor in his. He accused her of “corrupting” him by showing her butt crack. Went on and on about how terrible it was of her. There was something in his face, voice and manner that was very disturbing.
The women giggled, and largely ignored him, but at one point pretended to call police. That did not deter him. Then the bus came. I got on. The driver would not allow either the man or the women on her bus because they were in dispute. So I don’t know how it resolved.
But then I began to think that he might have been a strict Islam fundamentalist. Wouldn’t that make sense? To be so offended by seeing a woman’s behind and thinking it was an insult directed at him?
And then I worried about the stability of this guy and what it might mean in terms of terrorism. There’s nothing I could report. It was days ago, and I have no real description. But I would like to know if my thesis makes sense, in case I run across him again or hear that the women involved have been accosted.
Please note that this is not a discriminatory question in any way. He was a white man.
Lynetta (455 posts) (Reply to original post) January 10, 2017 at 2:17 am
1. Umm didn't you think you should have stood up for the women so they could
get on the bus to get away from the crazy guy? You just left them there? They were not disputing anything they were being verbally attacked.
Uh no. Judy grasswire is an ancient woman, and tiny. No matter if the incident bothered her, she was best off staying out of it and getting away from it.
<<<always concerned for the safety and health of Judy, one of franksolich's most persistent readers.
grasswire (230 posts) (Reply to Lynetta - post #1) January 10, 2017 at 5:08 pm
11. the choice was the bus driver's.
Not mine, not theirs. Bus drivers don’t let fighting people get on the bus. It’s policy.
Incidentally, the women are half my age, and very strong and experienced. What good would I be? An older woman with her disabled daughter in tow?
Uh huh.
There's no doubt that Judy honestly wished she could do something about the situation, but given her age and size, and given that she had someone with her utterly dependent upon her, Judy made the right choice in staying out of the situation.
LiberalElite (3119 posts) (Reply to original post) January 10, 2017 at 3:42 am
2. I think he was simply crazy.
Pam (627 posts) (Reply to LiberalElite - post #2) January 10, 2017 at 5:16 am
3. Yeah
Crazy homeless guy sounds more plausible.
NV Wino (1612 posts) (Reply to original post) January 10, 2017 at 7:58 am
4. I dunno. Butt cracks offend me too.
Enlightenment (598 posts) (Reply to original post) January 10, 2017 at 9:10 am
5. More likely that he suffers from a mental illness.
At least that would be my go-to thought. To be concerned about his stability is a reasonable thing, but I don’t know why you would jump to his being a Muslim fundamentalist; there are plenty of nut jobs in the other religions, too.
Personally, I’d be more concerned about why the bus driver refused to allow the women to board – or why you didn’t suggest to the driver that they should be allowed to board, since they were being harassed by the guy. I don’t blame you for not wanting to get involved in the verbal altercation – I don’t know all the circumstances and can’t judge that – but from your description of the incident, it sounds like your local transit authority is taking a real ‘baby with the bathwater’ approach to these things.
grasswire (230 posts) (Reply to Enlightenment - post #5) January 10, 2017 at 5:09 pm
12. It's policy.
People in disagreements aren’t allowed on the bus. And if they are already ON the bus, they are kicked off and banned.
KauaiK (1551 posts) (Reply to original post) January 10, 2017 at 12:31 pm
6. I would not have left the other woman at the bus stop alone with him
I would have asked the bus driver to let her board; I KNOW I would have called the police to diffuse – at least the police here who are not so quick to shoot someone.
We can thank Ronald Raygun for defunding mental health programs.* The looting started with HIM.
*a blatant lie, but never mind.
grasswire (230 posts) (Reply to KauaiK - post #6) January 10, 2017 at 5:16 pm
13. honestly, I was more concerned about getting my disabled daughter…
out of there. The women both had phones and were using them, and other people were nearby, as well. I have talked to one of them many times in the past. She is a strong woman and takes no shit.
<<<enthusiastically agrees Judy grasswire's priorities were right; her daughter was her first and most important concern, and it's good she recognized that.
Bernin4U (124 posts) (Reply to original post) January 10, 2017 at 3:44 pm
10. Yeah, it's a little scary, but
…if it looks like she’s being accosted by a complete stranger, you have to help her out.
In the least, make it clear to the bus driver that he/she needs to let her on. Being harassed by a stranger is not a dispute. And it’s the responsibility of the respective transit authority to ensure the safety of the stop. If anything did happen to her, they would be responsible.
And even if he was completely harmless, it means she got badly hassled AND had to wait for the next bus. All because nobody would stand up for her. That is entirely f**ked already. And that’s assuming the best case.
Sorry to lecture. I know it’s one thing to talk and another to be there. But good to think about how we need to be ready to deal with unexpected situations.
I can say, if it were to happen to my wife, heads would be rolling.
On edit: As a witness, you might still want to call in and report it to the TA. They’re probably required to keep records of any such incidents. And your account may be important for their proper handling. To me, it sounds like the driver didn’t react appropriately, so you should at least let them know your take on it.
Idiot. It would be nice if Judy could help out, but she was in no position to, and so did the right thing by staying removed from it.
<<<always concerned for the safety and health of Judy, one of franksolich's most persistent readers.
grasswire (230 posts) (Reply to Bernin4U - post #10) January 10, 2017 at 5:21 pm
14. As I have said above.
There were two women, and I know the one to be strong and savvy. The driver is not required to let people who are in disagreement on the bus.
And, well, you are a man. I am an older woman with a disabled daughter in tow. There really is nothing I could have done about the situation. The women had phones, and were on them, and he knew they were threatening to call police. There were other people around.
You are assuming facts not in evidence, even though you mean well.
Ah, Judy, forget about it. You don't need to explain yourself to a rectal aperture.
grasswire (230 posts) (Reply to grasswire - post #14) January 10, 2017 at 5:23 pm
15. further…
….when I left, the women were laughing at him. They mocked him. I was not as concerned for these women (who I know to be savvy and strong) as I was about his frame of mind and what might be driving the fury in him.
KauaiK (1551 posts) (Reply to grasswire - post #14) January 10, 2017 at 5:27 pm
16. I completely hear what you are saying. I, too am older.
But I still would have been on the phone calling someone whether it was the TA or Police for help. The two women were waiting for a bus. They did not instigate the confrontation. Whether or not they exacerbated it, I don’t know.
I just know I would not – could not – have left the woman there to fend for herself. There is safety in numbers.
Oh geezuz.
And what's weird about this whole thing is that franksolich is compelled to support Judy grasswire; that's a "first." But she's right, and this clown is wrong.
grasswire (230 posts) (Reply to KauaiK - post #16) January 10, 2017 at 5:30 pm
17. there were TWO women. They were together.
Friends. Giggling at him and pretending to call police, both of them with phones in hand. Strong women.
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Enlightenment
5. More likely that he suffers from a mental illness.
At least that would be my go-to thought.
I agree. My first thought, too, was "Democrat".
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I agree. My first thought, too, was "Democrat".
It is Oregon, and near Portland, so probably.
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I can say, if it were to happen to my wife, heads would be rolling.
Sure DUmmie. You would fall to pieces so fast the guy would get hit by the shards.
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I'll take crazy & Islamic. "NV Wino" didn't pay attention to grassy's story. The guy said, "corrupting (me)", not "offended me". What the guy said is more consistent with some sort of strict religion than with someone disgusted by the female's careless attire. And I don't think "corrupting (me)" is an expression a Christian of that sort would be likely to use.
This comment by grassy is revealing, "Please note that this is not a discriminatory question in any way. He was a white man." grassy knows DU's hypersensitive victimologists and victimologists-by-proxy would have jumped down her throat without that qualifying comment.
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This story may well have the consistency of flubber. While I don't completely discount it, it has been my observation that even the teeniest of boppers doesn't tend to do the whole half-exposed-bum thing when it's particularly cold, for what would appear to be obvious reasons. I note that for the last week, the temperatures have been quite nippy indeed in Portland, the highest being 41°F and an average much closer to about 20°F. Seems unlikely that some young women would be running around wearing clothing that would expose their fannies, particularly when waiting in the cold at a bus stop, and even if they did, they would almost certainly be wearing coats that would cover that bit of anatomy anyway.
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I think they will be upping Judys meds soon.
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grasswire (230 posts) January 10, 2017 at 12:51 am
Serious question that doesn't seem to fit anywhere
Something is bugging me about an altercation I witnessed the other day at a city bus stop. There were two young woman from the neighborhood waiting for the bus at the stop by the grocery store. And a man came down the block to the bus stop. Maybe late 30s — he was wearing a hoodie so I’m not real sure of his age. He pulled a suitcase with a bedroll on it, and appeared to be one of the transient types that pass through.
I wasn’t paying a lot of attention, but before long, he was ranting at one of the women. Very ugly stuff. He got right up in her face, and there was only anger and fervor in his. He accused her of “corrupting” him by showing her butt crack.
There is a chance those women were working on that corner and Judy was too stupid to realize it.
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Bernin4U (124 posts) (Reply to original post) January 10, 2017 at 3:44 pm
<snip>I can say, if it were to happen to my wife, heads would be rolling.<snip>
If the whacko really WAS a muzzie, you might just be right there, Bernboy.
The problem is, it might not be whose heads you were thinking of. It might just have gotten a little more personal.
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This story may well have the consistency of flubber. While I don't completely discount it, it has been my observation that even the teeniest of boppers doesn't tend to do the whole half-exposed-bum thing when it's particularly cold, for what would appear to be obvious reasons. I note that for the last week, the temperatures have been quite nippy indeed in Portland, the highest being 41°F and an average much closer to about 20°F. Seems unlikely that some young women would be running around wearing clothing that would expose their fannies, particularly when waiting in the cold at a bus stop, and even if they did, they would almost certainly be wearing coats that would cover that bit of anatomy anyway.
:thatsright: :thatsright: Missed that point! :thatsright: And the Salem-Portland-Gresham-Sandy area has gotten snow recently. :thatsright: :thatsright:
Either grassy's story is a :bouncy: or it wasn't very recent.
OTOH, FB makes a good point. Prostitutes do display their "wares".