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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on August 07, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6602090
Oh my.
It's never going to stop.
question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:05 PM
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What is it about the desire to humiliate and crush the Clintons?
From a story elsewhere:
"Clinton is doing everything she is asked — and then some — to help the man who defeated her get elected to the White House."
But this, apparently, is not enough. No, both she and Bill have to - as in "1984" - profess their love for Obama, prostrate, pound on their chests and ask for forgiveness. They are not even allowed to grieve.
How many here, and in public, would be able to just shrug their shoulders and smile and pretend that, oh, this was just an exercise?
I have long stopped watching Olbermann and just recently decided to catch the Daily Show, but Cafferty pops on CNN when I least expect him, and every other day, he has to invite hateful comments about the Clintons. If they are around: what are they still doing here? If they are not: where are they?
Enough already. She lost. She is campaigning "and then some" to quote from a story. Get a life. Start talking about the firefighters who died in California, about that innocent mayor of Berwyn Heights, Md., whose house was broken into "without a knock." Now the police "regrets" shotting his two dogs.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/07/Mayors_home_raid... /
Bill Clinton was a good president, who inherited a huge deficit and ended up with a surplus, under whose administration the economy expanded across all income levels, whose nomination of two Supreme Court justices makes it possible for us to even talk about tilting the court back, who left office with the highest approval ratings and who is the first Democrat to be re-elected since FDR.
Hillary is a good senator from NY - judged by her landslide win two years ago - with an impressive track record of accomplishments and for championing progressive ideas.
No, not everyone agrees with everything that either has done, certainly not the Obamas who would have never arrived to where they are where it not for the - whatever derogatory terms they use - 60s and the baby boomers. But point to me a single person in the whole world about whom there is a unanimous support.
Enough, already. If the only topic you are obsessed is the Clintons, then you really do need some help.
Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:06 PM
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1. What is it about the CLinton's that they'd rather hedge thier own hurt and pride against the party? Suck it up and be a team player. Now is not the time to send mixed signals or whine.
dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:10 PM
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3. uh, in case you haven't noticed, bill has morphed into a jackass in recent months...
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:11 PM
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4. If bitter Clinton supporters don't get their act together...
They'll lose us the election in November. It's time for Hillary's people to start acting like grownups and put their support behind Obama unless they want four more years of Republican rule.
RedShoes (276 posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:44 PM
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29. assign blame to the nominee for the general, that's why we had the primaries
If Obama loses in November, it is because HE would have lost, not because of the Clintons.
Frances (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:50 PM
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34. If bitter Obama supporters don't stop dissing Hillary and Bill, they may cost Obama the election.
When you diss Hillary and Bill, you diss white blue-collar voters.
Are you saying that you don't want these folks' votes?
If so, you are hurting the man you SAY you support.
Obama would never approve of this kind of comment.
I remember when kids said, "Elvis is dead. The Beatles are King."
Some DUers have that same mentality IMO.
NCevilDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 01:21 PM
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49. Bullshit.
When I diss Hillary and Bill I diss Hillary and Bill for being neo-lib DLCers. I AM a white blue-collar voter.
Why is criticism of the Clintons an attack on white Democrats?
Isn't that assumption just a little bit racist?
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:28 PM
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12. "question everything"...except the Clintons and their motives
JenniferZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:31 PM
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14. That seems to be the message. Given all the news stories lately about what may happen at the convention, I believe we're not off base to wonder about and discuss their motivations.
I don't think anyone here is absolutely convinced that they have ulterior motives. But many of us, including me, have some serious questions.
franksolich does too; it's going to be a great lot of fun, watching.
The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:29 PM
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13. Obama had better come on as the second coming after all of this.
Otherwise there is going to be some red ass around here.
Tim4319 (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:32 PM
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18. The Clinton's are bringing it on themselves!
I have said numerous times that Bill Clinton is the best president we ever had during my lifetime, and I am 36 years old.
I believe the Clinton's "15 minutes of fame" is up. Give some else a chance. How come they cannot throw their support behind Barack Obama that I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot, Barack would assist Hilary in anyway imaginable.
Everything that is being done to the Clinton's is something that they have brought to themselves.
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:41 PM
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25. When it comes to frothing, raving, loony Clinton hatred, the freepers are rank amateurs compared to many of our "good Democrats" at DU. It's enough to make one wonder, isn't it?
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:42 PM
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26. What is it with the desire of the Clintons to not relinquish the spotlight?
...and fall in line?
Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:45 PM
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30. It isn't about the Clintons. It's about people who enjoy humiliating and crushing others.
It's called a mean streak, and almost everyone has it to some degree. Fortunately, everything that goes around, comes around.
Uh huh. And it's going to be a great lot of fun watching when it comes around to the Obamaite primitives.
Better than even the best television situation comedy that ever was made.
ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:53 PM
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38. Some people miss the hatefullness of GD:Primaries.
I know that that may sound strange to many of you, but it is the best explanation for the regular anti-Clinton posts.
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:55 PM
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39. We've been doing just fine the past several weeks WITHOUT discussing her and him....
...they intruded on the news cycle... we didn't put them there.
ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 01:06 PM
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43. they intruded on the news cycle
How dare those mother****ers make news. I am so offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 I just can't handle it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Whenever they see a reporter they should turn on their backpacks and fly away.
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Frances (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:50 PM
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34. If bitter Obama supporters don't stop dissing Hillary and Bill, they may cost Obama the election.
When you diss Hillary and Bill, you diss white blue-collar voters.
Are you saying that you don't want these folks' votes?
If so, you are hurting the man you SAY you support.
Obama would never approve of this kind of comment.
I remember when kids said, "Elvis is dead. The Beatles are King."
Some DUers have that same mentality IMO.
Besides, it was John Lennon who said, "Before Elvis, there was nothing." They seem to be having a harder time than usual getting over themselves this year. Some days it just doesn't pay to base your entire world view on identity politics.
Cindie
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Again with that surplus bullshit. :whatever:
DUmmies are friggin' idiots.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:10 PM
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3. uh, in case you haven't noticed, bill has morphed into a jackass in the last 30 years...
This is more like it DUmpmonkiee.
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 12:11 PM
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4. If bitter Clinton/DU supporters don't get their act together...
They'll lose us the election in November. It's time for Hillary's people to start acting like grownups and put their support behind Obama unless they want four more years of Republican rule.
And that, DUmmie, is impossible.
I can't wait to watch these people gnaw their arms off after the Anointed One loses.
:evillaugh:
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If you look at this in a political prism, HRC is taking a page from RR. She is doing exactly what RR did in the 1976 convention. By the end of the 1976 GOP convention, everyone in attendance saw what true leadership in Ronald Reagan. She is going to show the convention that the party elders made a huge mistake in putting forward such a weak nominee in BHO. She is setting herself up for 2012.
What is going to interesting to watch are the purges that will be made by the Clintons across the board in the Democratic party should BHO lose this election. The Clintons have long memories and would make Vito Corleone look like Pee Wee Herman when it comes to revenge.
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Well, the Obamaites and the Obamaite primitives seem to think that Barry "Goldwater" Obama can win the general election without the 50.2% of the Democrats who voted for the worthier candidate.
Now, in real life, I'm not working on convincing those disillusioned Democrats to vote for John McCain; that's just too much work, and probably wouldn't amount to much.
Instead, in real life, I'm concentrating upon reminding those disillusioned Democrats how much the Obamaites and Obamaite primitives Hate them, detest them, loathe them, scorn them.
It's merely an academic exercise; I'm curious to see if the Obamaites and Obamaite primitives are right, when they say their man can win without 50.2% (or as close to that as possible) of the Democrat vote.
It's just simple curiosity, nothing more.....