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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BannedFromDU on August 06, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 11:29 AM
Original message
Has anyone ever exploited his military service for political gain more than mccain?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3737810&mesg_id=3737810
Ahem...
(http://qazse.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/kerry_john-saluting.jpg)
Questions?
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Don't forget that LBJ basically gave himself a Silver Star for being an "observer" on a bombing run which ended up being aborted in WWII...
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I've seen moonbats say this, even one at usmilnet, but I'm not seeing this "exploiting" by McCain. I do, however, see a whole SHITOAD of Obama exploiting his race. :whatever:
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 11:29 AM
Original message
Has anyone ever exploited his military service for political gain more than mccain?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3737810&mesg_id=3737810
Ahem...
(http://qazse.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/kerry_john-saluting.jpg)
Questions?
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/asdf2231/johnsays.jpg)
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Don't forget that LBJ basically gave himself a Silver Star for being an "observer" on a bombing run which ended up being aborted in WWII...
...Aborted because the flight saw an actual Japanese plane at which LBJ apparently went insane with fear and demanded they turn around immediately, so the story is told...
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John McCain is downright humble about his service, not to mention that of his sons. OTOH, Wesley Clark acted like he was "owed" the White House because he gave orders to bomb Kosovo. And John Kerry couldn't open his mouth without mentioning his service. John McCain spends years as a POW and the DUmmies try to denigrate his service as often as possible. John Kerry ends up with a few grains of (self-inflicted) rice in his butt and the want to erect a frickin' statue to him.
Cindie
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Wait...
John Kerry served in Vietnam?
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Wait...
John Kerry served in Vietnam?
Yeah, I think he got a Purple Heart or something. :uhsure:
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Wait...
John Kerry served in Vietnam?
Yeah, I think he got a box of Cracker Jacks with a Purple Heart or something.
Fixed. :cheers1:
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God that made my head hurt...
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. I don't care what repubs say, mccain never did anything heroic.
And if he did, he flushed it all away later with his actions.
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. He refused an immediate
release from a Vietnamese prison camp where he was tortured (and still suffers pain and disabilities as a result) until his fellow POWs were released.
Sounds pretty heroic to me. (And most of the rest of the electorate.) Just sayin'.
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. I can still disregard & make fun of his military service like repubs do, right?
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Whatever.
I was under the impression that this is a discussion board, but I guess you don't want discussion.
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. I love discussion, especially if I can tear a man down like repubs do.
Is he ****ing 12?
A tip of the hat to Sadie4629 for trying to be fair. After Philosorapter got beaten like a bitch, he retreated and someone else stepped up the stupid.
zbdent (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #3
14. Sounds like he went into the Vietnam conflict to pad his resume to later run
for the Presidency ... you know, like the Repukes claimed John Kerry did?
Only thing was, John Kerry didn't crash 4 other Swift Boats prior to being captured by the North Vietnamese on his fifth crash ...
Of course, John Kerry wasn't the son and grandson of Admirals ...
But again, Sadie won't have any of that.
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #14
19. You do know the truth about the planes
McCain crashed, right? Right?
ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Do tell the "truth" about Admiral McCombover's plane crashes. n/t
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #23
28. Found a little info
He probably wouldn't have been flying after the first crash, if not for who his father and grandfather were; however, to simply state that he "lost five planes," as if he was just an incompetent cowboy is totally misleading.
He was not so lucky in his combat assignment aboard the USS Forrestal. In 1967, an accidentally fired missile struck the fuel tanks of McCain’s plane before it took off, resulting in a deadly fire that killed 134 men and destroyed 20 planes. While McCain was trying to help another pilot escape, his legs and chest were injured by fragments from a bomb that exploded nearby.
However, this incident would not dissuade McCain from continuing to fight for his country. McCain volunteered for more combat duty and was assigned to the USS Oriskany. In October 1967, while he was flying his 23rd combat mission, his plane was shot down. After breaking both arms and a leg, and almost drowning, McCain was captured by the North Vietnamese, becoming a prisoner of war.
http://www.hooyou.com/news/news072908politics.html
Misfired missile. Not his fault. Shot down. Probably not his fault.
It wasn't long after arriving in Pensacola that McCain racked up the first of his five crashes, beginning in 1958, on his way to becoming a "reverse ace." As told by Timberg, "McCain was practicing landings; his engine quit and he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay. Knocked unconscious by the impact, he came to as the plane settled to the bottom."
Conflicting info on this. If his engine quit, it wasn't his fault. (Although there may not have been engine failure.)
Crash three occurred when McCain was returning from flying a trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. According to Timberg, McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout." He went through the standard relight procedures three times. At one thousand feet, he ejected, landing on the deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees."
Flameout? Don't know exactly what that means, but it sounds like it wasn't his fault either.
After this, they degenerate into a Bash Bush session, while a few others try to defend Kerry.
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I hear the tinkling of a chisel on granite...
Poor Sadie. Wearing out alert buttons all over DUmmieland.
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Sadie, if you're a mole, you're doing it wrong. If you are Democrat with sensibilities, then its a good thing you are going to eat granite before DU turns you into one of them.
Get off the island now before you forget how to swim.
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God that made my head hurt...
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. I don't care what repubs say, mccain never did anything heroic.
And if he did, he flushed it all away later with his actions.
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. He refused an immediate
release from a Vietnamese prison camp where he was tortured (and still suffers pain and disabilities as a result) until his fellow POWs were released.
Sounds pretty heroic to me. (And most of the rest of the electorate.) Just sayin'.
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. I can still disregard & make fun of his military service like repubs do, right?
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Whatever.
I was under the impression that this is a discussion board, but I guess you don't want discussion.
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. I love discussion, especially if I can tear a man down like repubs do.
Is he ****ing 12?
A tip of the hat to Sadie4629 for trying to be fair. After Philosorapter got beaten like a bitch, he retreated and someone else stepped up the stupid.
zbdent (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #3
14. Sounds like he went into the Vietnam conflict to pad his resume to later run
for the Presidency ... you know, like the Repukes claimed John Kerry did?
Only thing was, John Kerry didn't crash 4 other Swift Boats prior to being captured by the North Vietnamese on his fifth crash ...
Of course, John Kerry wasn't the son and grandson of Admirals ...
But again, Sadie won't have any of that.
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #14
19. You do know the truth about the planes
McCain crashed, right? Right?
ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Do tell the "truth" about Admiral McCombover's plane crashes. n/t
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #23
28. Found a little info
He probably wouldn't have been flying after the first crash, if not for who his father and grandfather were; however, to simply state that he "lost five planes," as if he was just an incompetent cowboy is totally misleading.
He was not so lucky in his combat assignment aboard the USS Forrestal. In 1967, an accidentally fired missile struck the fuel tanks of McCain’s plane before it took off, resulting in a deadly fire that killed 134 men and destroyed 20 planes. While McCain was trying to help another pilot escape, his legs and chest were injured by fragments from a bomb that exploded nearby.
However, this incident would not dissuade McCain from continuing to fight for his country. McCain volunteered for more combat duty and was assigned to the USS Oriskany. In October 1967, while he was flying his 23rd combat mission, his plane was shot down. After breaking both arms and a leg, and almost drowning, McCain was captured by the North Vietnamese, becoming a prisoner of war.
http://www.hooyou.com/news/news072908politics.html
Misfired missile. Not his fault. Shot down. Probably not his fault.
It wasn't long after arriving in Pensacola that McCain racked up the first of his five crashes, beginning in 1958, on his way to becoming a "reverse ace." As told by Timberg, "McCain was practicing landings; his engine quit and he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay. Knocked unconscious by the impact, he came to as the plane settled to the bottom."
Conflicting info on this. If his engine quit, it wasn't his fault. (Although there may not have been engine failure.)
Crash three occurred when McCain was returning from flying a trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. According to Timberg, McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout." He went through the standard relight procedures three times. At one thousand feet, he ejected, landing on the deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees."
Flameout? Don't know exactly what that means, but it sounds like it wasn't his fault either.
After this, they degenerate into a Bash Bush session, while a few others try to defend Kerry.
A flameout means the engine died in flight without the pilots aid or interfearance, It simply stopped operating like it should which for a jet engine it stopped sucking in air. It could have been an electrical problem or a mechanical one. From the story it doesn't sound if it was from an adverse Angle of Attack which means the nose is to far up to allow air and fuel to get to the engine causing a stall to occur if I have it right. If it doesn;t start after 3 trys, chances are its not going to.