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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Patriot Guard Rider on November 25, 2016, 05:12:29 PM
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pwnmom heavily involved.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512625461
RBInMaine (13,361 posts)
**** the braindead notion that we can say "**** the white working class."
The election of Trump had many causes: A qualified but nonetheless flawed Democratic candidate marred by the email scandal; the electoral college; racism; sexism; SHIT corporate media; a completely piece of SHIT Democratic National Committee; a flawed Democratic strategy and lack of the right message; a general desire among some people simply for ANY kind of change; failure of too many of our voters to actually come out and vote.
However, the MAIN reason is because of the working class economic anxiety in the upper midwest, and that is the indisputable fact. The party and our candidate simply did not connect with these voters, many or most of whom were traditionally Democrats and many of whom still are by party registration. And they have left us.
The economy, as always, was the NUMBER ONE ISSUE of the campaign, and working class small town America has been economically RAVAGED. They are rightfully angry, and many of them feel they have no future and that we do not understand or respect their plight nor their culture. Again, MANY of these people, in some places the majority, used to be Democrats. And the party forgot how to talk to them. The party needs to talk to them again and offer compelling ideas and economic hope for them again. AND, the party needs to respect and support their culture. It is just fine to respect and support the very long hunting heritage in rural and small town America.
Working class America doesn't give a flying shit about pure food laws and solar power when it needs JOBS. JOBS JOBS JOBS is the NUMBER ONE ISSUE. And they also want straight STRONG talk and leadership, not meely-mouthed pathetic wimpy WEAK SHIT that is not leadership.
And this is by no means an either/or situation. The Democratic Party is and will always be the party that fights for the rights and betterment of EVERYONE in America, full inclusion, and will always stand strong against bigotry wherever it exists. BUT, being the "Party of the People" means, in fact, ALL THE PEOPLE including white rural and small town people.
JOBS JOBS JOBS and creating an economy that works for EVERYONE is the issue that transcends all else because social justice can not happen without economic justice. Social justice matters little if you don't have a job and can't make a decent living. And ALL people, regardless of race, color, gender, or creed are deeply impacted by the corporate oligarchy that works for the 1% and doesn't give a damn about anyone else.
Want to know how to win? Listen to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren today and FDR and Harry Truman in the past. BE STRONG! SPEAK WITH CONVICTION! SPEAK CLEAR! MAKE THE ECONOMY THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE ACROSS THE BOARD! AND BRUTALLY ATTACK THE CORPORATE OLIGARCHS AND THEIR REPUBLICAN SERVANTS AT EVERY TURN. These are the issues that BIND us all.
Offer people JOBS JOBS JOBS and tell them just how you are going to create them so they feel they have a FUTURE instead of economic DESPAIR. Do that, and we win again because right now the party is like a self-inflicted deaf, dumb, blind, and brainless person wandering aimlessly through the political desert without a message for ALL the people.
dawg (8,001 posts)
1. Those jobs left during the Bush administration.
They aren't coming back, but enough voters were willing to believe the big lie to tilt those states to Trump.
Hillary made actual policy proposals that would've helped those people. Trump lied to them.
What was Hillary supposed to do? Tell them lies of her own?
RBInMaine (13,361 posts)
7. Hillary's main message was "Trump's bad and I'm not Trump." Let me explain how else you are wrong.
First, hear me clearly. Clinton didn't run a bad campaign, but it wasn't good enough. Her policy proposals were not front and center and clear. Her MAIN message was the anti-Trump message. This is indisputable. Not just she, but the ENTIRE PARTY did not have a clear and compelling enough economic message.
Next, no one is the rust belt gives a shit in hell who was most to blame for the jobs leaving. And remember, CLINTON signed NAFTA and Obama pushed the TPP night and day. They see BOTH parties to blame, and they are largely right.
Now they want the problem FIXED. They don't want to hear the shitty talk about "those jobs are never coming back" and they don't want to hear about being re-trained for jobs that don't exist. In fact in some places the jobs HAVE started to come back because transportation costs are better for companies who make things right here rather than China.
They want to hear that someone is going after the SHIT trade deals. Trump said it CLEARLY. They want to hear about JOB CREATION. Trump said it CLEARLY. They want to hear about fixing Washington and having a government and economy that works for everyone. Trump said it CLEARLY. Sure Trump is full of shit, but he SAID IT CLEARLY even he didn't mean it or can't really do it.
And YES, we can bring back manufacturing if even just on a small scale at first. YES we can support family farmers. YES we can increase biomass production jobs in rural America. YES we can increase wood products jobs in rural America. YES we can increase small tech startups in rural America. YES we can increase tourism in rural America. YES we can increase outdoor rec jobs in rural America. YES we can fix the infrastructure in rural America creating millions of jobs. There is a lot we can do, and they want to hear what we CAN do in clear, strong, concrete terms.
dawg (8,001 posts)
15. Let me explain to you why you are delusional.
Manufacturing is on its way out. It isn't going to China. It isn't going to Mexico. It's going to be automated.
3d printing technology, alone, will eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs.
There will still be a few jobs in manufacturing for humans, but nothing like the days the rust belt longs for.
You state your opinion and then say that it's indisputable. I dispute it!
Hillary talked *real* policy all the time. At every campaign event and every speech she gave. The media simply wouldn't cover it. People didn't care.
They wanted the lies. They wanted "Build a wall!".
That didn't work for the ancient Chinese and it isn't going to work now.
All those things that you say Trump said CLEARLY. They were clearly easily refuted LIES! The press did not do it's job. (At least the television press.)
We do need to look at new ways of messaging. Not because our message is wrong, but because it is being blocked and distorted by the corporate media.
Star Member pnwmom (78,476 posts)
56. 1000. n/t
Gothmog (33,364 posts)
76. I agree with your analysis
JHan (353 posts)
85. Dawg, Every word you type is truth..
Every gatdammned word.
people want to be lied to.
DUmmie speaks truth. Huge bonfire erupts.
:fuelfire: :fuelfire: :fuelfire:
Over 75 replies. Have fun.
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But I thought the O'conomy was going gangbusters? I thought der fuhrer obumbles told us that and the MSM confirmed it? So now you are telling the dump that the O'conomy is not going gangbusters?
So were you dummies lying then or are you lying now?
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But I thought the O'conomy was going gangbusters? I thought der fuhrer obumbles told us that and the MSM confirmed it? So now you are telling the dump that the O'conomy is not going gangbusters?
So were you dummies lying then or are you lying now?
That's what they were told and believed. That said, now that jugears has run out his time, everything goes back to Bush/Trumps fault with a mysterious 8 year gap devoid of blame. I wonder why...hmmmmmm...
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dawg (8,001 posts)
1. Those jobs left during the Bush administration.
They aren't coming back, but enough voters were willing to believe the big lie to tilt those states to Trump.
Hillary made actual policy proposals that would've helped those people. Trump lied to them.
What was Hillary supposed to do? Tell them lies of her own?
What freakin proposals? She'd show up to a half empty high school gym, talk for 20 minutes and leave. I never, ever, EVER, ONCE heard a solid policy proposal. It was all generalities spoken in general terms. Her response to the disaster at the VA? "I'll have meetings once a week until the problem is solved".
Trumps proposal?
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/veterans-administration-reforms.pdf
Now tell me a*shole, who's proposing specifics?
Liberal a*sholes like you disgust me.
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What freakin proposals? She'd show up to a half empty high school gym, talk for 20 minutes and leave. I never, ever, EVER, ONCE heard a solid policy proposal. It was all generalities spoken in general terms. Her response to the disaster at the VA? "I'll have meetings once a week until the problem is solved".
Trumps proposal?
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/veterans-administration-reforms.pdf
Now tell me a*shole, who's proposing specifics?
Liberal a*sholes like you disgust me.
Probably referring to any number of areas in which (D)Ummies think they know whats best for everyone else:
"Banning their guns will help them greatly, they just don't know it."
CMD
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That didn't work for the ancient Chinese and it isn't going to work now.
Um...the Chinese actually DID build their wall - and it is still there.
CMD
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RB was about 75 percent correct. She never talked policy, only trashed Trump and especially his supporters. Not a winning strategy and I hope they keep it up.
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
Draw in a deep breath. No say "Hillary Clinton will NEVER be president of the USA."
Feels good does it not? No it feels real good. Heck, even 40+% of the DUmbasses know it feels good.
Hillary. Clinton. Will. Never. Be. President.
Ahhhhhh. Yeah.
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DU-folk are definitely Strangelovian these days, the way they worry and love the F-bomb.
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dawg (8,001 posts)
1. Those jobs left during the Bush administration.
They aren't coming back,
Bruce Springsteen, is that you?
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RB was about 75 percent correct. She never talked policy, only trashed Trump and especially his supporters. Not a winning strategy and I hope they keep it up.
Absolutely nothing is occurring to dissuade me from the certainty that; not only will they keep it up, they're going to triple down on it.
It's all they have.
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[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8AgOozM8KQ[/youtube]
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Bruce Springsteen, is that you?
I know that line's in one of the songs on The River or Born In The USA or Darkness On Th Edge Of Town or . . .
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I know that line's in one of the songs on The River or Born In The USA or Darkness On Th Edge Of Town or . . .
Just one? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Springsteen wrote and sang one of my favorite songs, Thunder Road. "You ain't a beauty, buy hey you're all right" was the most brilliantly simple line of lyrics ever written. But... most of his stuff has been the death rattle of the dying Rust Belt.
I find it ironic that Mr. "Voice of the Working Man" and his Mini-Me (yes, I'm talking about you, Jon Bon Jovi) were all in for Felonia von Cankles, whose campaign slogan could have been "**** the Proles".
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Just one? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Springsteen wrote and sang one of my favorite songs, Thunder Road. "You ain't a beauty, buy hey you're all right" was the most brilliantly simple line of lyrics ever written. But... most of his stuff has been the death rattle of the dying Rust Belt.
I find it ironic that Mr. "Voice of the Working Man" and his Mini-Me (yes, I'm talking about you, Jon Bon Jovi) were all in for Felonia von Cankles, whose campaign slogan could have been "**** the Proles".
They're as left-wing as can be. I bolded the above for a very simple reason--Thunder Road is my favorite song. :cheersmate: H5 dutifully given.
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They're as left-wing as can be. I bolded the above for a very simple reason--Thunder Road is my favorite song. :cheersmate: H5 dutifully given.
:cheersmate:
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Just one? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Springsteen wrote and sang one of my favorite songs, Thunder Road. "You ain't a beauty, buy hey you're all right" was the most brilliantly simple line of lyrics ever written. But... most of his stuff has been the death rattle of the dying Rust Belt.
I find it ironic that Mr. "Voice of the Working Man" and his Mini-Me (yes, I'm talking about you, Jon Bon Jovi) were all in for Felonia von Cankles, whose campaign slogan could have been "**** the Proles".
Now that's funny. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.