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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Patriot Guard Rider on November 24, 2016, 11:12:19 AM
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DanTex (16,311 posts)
"Identity politics" is a term used by conservatives to attack social justice.
You don't hear practitioners of so-called "identity politics" using the term.
Take, for example, gay marriage. No advocate for LGBT rights talks about gay marriage as an "identity politics" issue. Only opponents of gay marriage do that. And they do it because they want to deny rights to LGBT people, and the term "identity politics" helps their anti-LGBT cause.
The point of what right-wingers dismissively call "identity politics" is to ensure that all people have equal rights. Yes, sometimes this requires focusing on specific groups. This is not to split the populace into warring factions. It is because the so-called "identity groups" that right-wingers talk about are groups of people who are being systematically denied equal rights in the status quo.
It's not enough just to say "everyone should have rights" when we have a system that systematically denies rights to certain groups. It is necessary to identify those groups and the kinds of discrimination they face, and to specifically fight against each form of discrimination.
"Identity politics" will only go away when all people have equal rights. And we're pretty far from that right now. And until we get there, I am going to stand with any group of people who are being discriminated against.
Where to start. Look DUmmie, "Identity Politics" is all the dems are about. Your side REFUSES to look at people as individuals and only look at the collective. Thus you have the dem nation divided into sub-groups. Blacks, Latinos, Gay, Lesbian, Trans, plus many others I've left out, each a little collective unto themselves.
Now, as a conservative, I dismiss the "collective" and look at people as individuals. It matters not to me what someones skin color is, whether they're gay, lesbian or straight. I simply don't care. What I do care about is how the individual acts and treats others. If they're an a*shole, they deserve no respect, at all, period. If a black person is an a*shole to me and I don't like or respect them, it doesn't mean I hate all black people, just that one, individual person.
I simply don't care if someone is gay. If they like puffin the pole, no business of mine, but if that person is an a*shole to me, they deserve no respect. It doesn't mean I hate all gays, just that one individual.
In other words, as long as the Dems continue Identity politics, each sub-group with their own agenda within the "collective" of the dem party, will be pissed off when something good happens to another sub-group and doesn't benefit them. Vice versa ad nauseum.
A house divided and all that. Your house is divided. You fell in '10, '14, '16 and will again in '18 and '20.
So no, don't change a thing, then complain about the results, ratcheting up the rhetoric resulting in more losses. It's a vicious circle. One that I am relishing. So, keep it up, PLEASE!!!
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Crazy uncle bernie said they need to promise free shit to everyone.
Those that expect to me more equal then others are mad.
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DanTex (16,311 posts)
"Identity politics" will only go away when all people have equal rights. And we're pretty far from that right now. And until we get there, I am going to stand with any group of people who are being discriminated against.
Listen up (D)Ummie:
"Identity politics" is a term that describes how you asswipes operate. That you object to the term is pretty good evidence of the fact. People already have equal rights, but like a good little leftist, you say equal rights and mean equal outcome.
You don't stand with gun owners who are discriminated against in the real world or on DU, you stand with the discriminators.
You're selective.
The point of 'identity politics' was never to ensure that people have equal rights, it was to arm your identity groups with a sword while telling everyone "No, that isn't a sword, its a shield". Sorry pal, "accusing others of "white privilege" was a sword intended to shut others up, not a passive shield intended to protect the rights of all. :bird:
In fact, when it comes to passive shields intended to protect rights of all, all you assholes ever do is attack them. 1st amendment, second amendment, and so on. Being unable or unwilling to respect and protect REAL protections of the rights of all, makes what you do support shallow, racist, and evil.
:bigbird:
CMD
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H-5 PGR!
As long as Ds try to euphemize demands for special rights for certain groups, as long as Ds play one group against another, as long as Ds demonize people as racist because of their "white" skin color, as long as Ds demonize males as misogynist because they are male, etc., etc., etc., that is identity politics. And it has two weaknesses: when the interests of two or more of the favored groups come into conflict (e.g. Enviros trying to destroy union miners' jobs); when the demonized groups are large enough and aware enough to exact ballot-box revenge. Both happened in 2016 (and a lot more), keeping The SHREW out of the White House.
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H-5 PGR!
As long as Ds try to euphemize demands for special rights for certain groups, as long as Ds play one group against another, as long as Ds demonize people as racist because of their "white" skin color, as long as Ds demonize males as misogynist because they are male, etc., etc., etc., that is identity politics. And it has two weaknesses: when the interests of two or more of the favored groups come into conflict (e.g. Enviros trying to destroy union miners' jobs); when the demonized groups are large enough and aware enough to exact ballot-box revenge. Both happened in 2016 (and a lot more), keeping The SHREW out of the White House.
Exactly. The good news is, they'll ignore our solid advice and double down on what caused them to lose. The definition of an idiot is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
They are idiots, and I'm relishing their tears. They're salty and especially delicious with vodka and a dash of hot sauce.
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I'll have to admit I'm impressed with them in a way. No way in hell did I think they would move even further to the left than they already were but here they are doing it. Jesus...
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Listen up (D)Ummie:
"Identity politics" is a term that describes how you asswipes operate. That you object to the term is pretty good evidence of the fact. People already have equal rights, but like a good little leftist, you say equal rights and mean equal outcome.
You don't stand with gun owners who are discriminated against in the real world or on DU, you stand with the discriminators.
You're selective.
The point of 'identity politics' was never to ensure that people have equal rights, it was to arm your identity groups with a sword while telling everyone "No, that isn't a sword, its a shield". Sorry pal, "accusing others of "white privilege" was a sword intended to shut others up, not a passive shield intended to protect the rights of all. :bird:
In fact, when it comes to passive shields intended to protect rights of all, all you assholes ever do is attack them. 1st amendment, second amendment, and so on. Being unable or unwilling to respect and protect REAL protections of the rights of all, makes what you do support shallow, racist, and evil.
:bigbird:
CMD
This has never been about "equal rights." It has been about "special rights."
"Transgendered" wanting to let men have access to women's restrooms and showers.
Putting the thumb on the scale for minorities and patting them on the head while saying "you can't complete so we are going to just give you stuff."
Curtailing free speech for all but those who are NOT straight white males who work normal jobs.
And THAT has been just the way their Masters have planned all along and that part of the plan has worked until now.
LBJ knew what he meant when he said "I'll have them ******s voting democratic for 200 years."
liberalism is the philosophy of the arrogant and the sheep.
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I'll have to admit I'm impressed with them in a way. No way in hell did I think they would move even further to the left than they already were but here they are doing it. Jesus...
This is the culmination of the 60's hippies, Thank God. They know nothing else.
Now, we get to deal with their wreckage.
I relish hippie death.
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Exactly. The good news is, they'll ignore our solid advice and double down on what caused them to lose. The definition of an idiot is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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More than that, knowing this in advance is something from which I derive considerable entertainment.