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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on November 11, 2016, 07:00:04 AM
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Who's to blame for the shellacking Messalina Agrippina took at the polls?
The superficial answer of course is she herself, the way she was her own worst enemy, lying and cheating and stealing and selling, but that's only on the surface.
Who was really to blame?
One has to go back to when Messalina Agrippina first started going bad, after the elections of 2008. It's true she ended up in a high-ranking position, but it was still much lesser than the one she'd sought, that of becoming president.
One has to admit 2008 was supposed to be her year, the year she should've gotten the Democrat nomination, the year she was at the peak of her intellectual, mental, and physical powers.
But she didn't, and naturally resented it very much. Being a persistent person, she decided to try again, and by God, no one was going to deny it to her this time. She pulled all stops, stopping at nothing, no matter how devious and dishonest.
She wouldn't have been this way if she'd gotten the Democrat nomination when she deserved it more than any other person.
Why didn't she get it in 2008?
Because there were many Democrats anti-women, and other Democrats far more interested in being hip, cool, trendy, with it--and "black" was more "in," than "woman"--than in the good of the Democrat party.
And there's who to blame; white Democrats with guilty consciences about the way Democrats had treated blacks in the past, who wished to make amends by nominating a "black" guy.
Of course, the only thing Obozo has in common with Lamond is that they share the same color of skin; otherwise Obozo and franksolich are more alike in all else. But being black-colored was good enough for most Democrats.
(They could've gotten two birds with one stone by nominating Cynthia McKinney, both a woman and an authentic black; one wonders why they didn't; I'm thinking it was because at heart, Democrats are anti-women).
There was going to be a black president sooner or later anyway; it didn't have to be in 2008; the blacks could've politely given the lady her turn first, but they and their white overlords got impatient, and shoved a pseudo-black man in front of her, getting her all upset and bent out of shape.
And so when "next time" came around, she wasn't about to let it slip away.
There's the answer; one can reasonably blame all this humiliation upon the Obozo Democrats of eight years ago, who turned her into a bitter cheating old woman.
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Actually her vile personality and underhanded dealing go back long before 2008, it's been the pattern of a lifetime. She just never had her hands on the controls of anything that made it visible before that. It beats the Hell out of me that people want to count all her time as First Lady of AR then the US as relevant experience, and then the same people will turn around and say Bill's numerous character flaws and issues should not enter the equation when considering her for President.
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Skinner is to blame. Skinner.
Isn't he, lurking DUmmies? In your hearts, you know it.
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The leftist elite bubble.
They really had convinced themselves that the Presidency was theirs forever so they could pretty much mail it in with the most flawed candidate to ever run.
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If HilLIARy wants to assign blame, all she has to do is walk into a bathroom and look into the mirror.
If individual DUmmies want to assign blame, they need to do the same.
There's enough blame to go around. Think 'Pacific Ocean-sized' amount.
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Amazing how the entire OWS movement has fallen off the planet to make way for her and her need for Wall Street cash. Amazing also is how the cranky old commie sold out to Clinton money. Clinton could have saved herself a lot of grief if she had offered to buy Bernie a waterfront home at the beginning of the campaign instead of at the end.
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The leftist elite bubble.
They really had convinced themselves that the Presidency was theirs forever so they could pretty much mail it in with the most flawed candidate to ever run.
Exactly. Then, they kept themselves in bubbles like DU where said flaws could not even be discussed. The media would not even report much on wikileaks, and just pretended they weren't there. Arrogance and hubris has never ended well.
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Let's also mention the division the democrats implemented over the last 8 years. Today there are more subgroups of leftists than than there are flavors at Baskin Robbins. It was going to be nearly impossible to find a candidate to make them all happy. Bernie was the best shot they had and they pulled the rug out from under him and paid him off.
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H-5, DAT!
The more one digs back into The SHREW-CHILL's past, the more one can see that her debacle was not just of her own making, but that it's the culmination of a lifetime of making.
2016 - The SHREW-CHILL calls in every collusive ploy with the MSM, DNC, and multiple Obama MALAdministration departments and agencies to grease her way to the D nomination and into the WH;
2009-2012 - The SHREW-CHILL set up and operated her own email server - in violation of multiple laws - for the express purpose of evading FOIA;
2006 and/or 2007 - The SHREW-CHILL denies she was interested in running for POTUS;
2001 - The SHREW-CHILL and William the Indolent furnish their NY home with furnishings and decorations from the WH;
2000 - The SHREW-CHILL carpet-bags from the WH into the Senate via New York;
1996-2000 - The SHREW-CHILL enables William the Indolent to gain and retain the WH by demonizing the victims of his sexual predations and honest persons who dared try to investigate them;
Arkansas - land deals, demonizing WJC's victims, cattle futures;
Watergate - Canned by the Ds for being unethical.
I seriously think that were one able to learn what was taught, to the youth group there especially, at the UMC in which The SHREW-CHILL grew up, one would find it was liberal-ends justified virtually any means.
IOW, I think The SHREW-CHILL's debacle on Tuesday was the denouement a lifetime in the making.
FWIW,I bid her and WJC good riddance, and I hope Chelsea is forced to try to live like a non-elite American. If the latter survives the bitter initial disappointment, she might actually learn something; if she shares her mother's disposition, she won't, IMO.
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The media, the DNC, and The Clinton's themselves. They are so full of hubris and entitlement that they chose to ignore their own constituents - believing that they know better.
They used the rules of their own rigged game to oust Sanders, which turned off the millennials. Then what does Sanders do ? He starts licking her jackboots.
I believe Wikileaks wouldn't have gotten the Podesta emails leaked to them if Sanders wasn't blatantly cheated. I believe the source is an angry Bernout.
I believe the DNC anointed her in 2009, the day after Obama took office - and they worked with the media to make that their reality.
I believe the Clinton's went into the election convinced it was a done deal, giving her an edge of arrogance that turned many undecideds off.
** Now lets talk about Trump **
I believe the same entitled feelings applied to some of the earlier candidates, such as Jeb - *BUT* the GOP's rules don't allow for the moderation of the peoples vote via 'superdelegates' - the media didn't pander to Trump at all, they tried to take him down. And finally, Trump fought for it --HARD-- unlike Clinton who spent her time looking down her regal nose at him and 'The Deplorables'.
-Anyway, if the DNC and the media treated both Trump and Sanders equally, Sanders would've been the Left's Trump - And I believe he would've won.
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Dear Democrats and Liberals,
I'm noticing that a lot of you aren't graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost. In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.
Some of you are apparently "triggered". Because you are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.
How did this happen you ask.
You created "us" when you attacked our freedom of speech.
You created "us" when you attacked our right to bear arms.
You created "us" when you attacked our Christian beliefs.
You created "us" when you constantly referred to us as racists.
You created "us" when you constantly called us xenophobic.
You created "us" when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.
You created "us" when you forced us to buy health care and then financially penalized us for not participating.
You created "us" when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave our country.
You created "us" when you attacked our flag.
You created "us" when you confused women's rights with feminism.
You created "us" when you began to immasculate men.
You created "us" when you decided to make our children soft.
You created "us" when you decided to vote for progressive ideals.
You created "us" when you attacked our way of life.
You created "us" when you decided to let our government get out of control.
"You" created "us" the silent majority.
And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up.
And we did it with ballots, not bullets.
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Let's also mention the division the democrats implemented over the last 8 years. Today there are more subgroups of leftists than than there are flavors at Baskin Robbins. It was going to be nearly impossible to find a candidate to make them all happy. Bernie was the best shot they had and they pulled the rug out from under him and paid him off.
Coalitions of special interests have two areas of vulnerability:
* When the purposes of two or more of the special interests come into conflict;
* When the special interests see their purposes as the only worthwhile purposes.
For example, in the Ds' case in 2016:
-> The Enviros' purposes included shutting down the industries in which union members worked; this happened in the 1980 election, too, but the D Party forgot it or refused to acknowledge it;
-> Catholics have long been majority-D voters, but BHO and The CHILL made it very clear that they opposed - or even hated - the Catholic Church and some of its core moral teachings;
-> BHO and The CHILL went all-in with BLM, a group whose single issue transcended all others and reality too
-> The CHILL was all-in with Pro-Abortion feminazis, and alienated Occupooer types by being thick as thieves with Wall Street and "Corporate America".
When your base is like a salami, ground up and blended together, you base can be sliced off bit by bit by bit by ... in 2016, Trump did the salami-slicing, and enjoyed doing it.
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H-5, Linda!
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Obama is one main reason. His policies have been a disaster.
But liberals are their own worse enemy in that they view themselves as intelligent, and they're not even close. If they ever shut their mouths and behave like adults, there would eventually come a time when they could potentially be of some use to the country as a whole. But until they drop their eternally flawed ideology, they'll never grow up.
Liberals lie, and it is not to their long-term advantage to do so. It always catches up with them.
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Dear Democrats and Liberals,
I'm noticing that a lot of you aren't graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost. In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.
Some of you are apparently "triggered". Because you are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.
How did this happen you ask.
You created "us" when you attacked our freedom of speech.
You created "us" when you attacked our right to bear arms.
You created "us" when you attacked our Christian beliefs.
You created "us" when you constantly referred to us as racists.
You created "us" when you constantly called us xenophobic.
You created "us" when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.
You created "us" when you forced us to buy health care and then financially penalized us for not participating.
You created "us" when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave our country.
You created "us" when you attacked our flag.
You created "us" when you confused women's rights with feminism.
You created "us" when you began to immasculate men.
You created "us" when you decided to make our children soft.
You created "us" when you decided to vote for progressive ideals.
You created "us" when you attacked our way of life.
You created "us" when you decided to let our government get out of control.
"You" created "us" the silent majority.
And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up.
And we did it with ballots, not bullets.
Can I steal this?
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Amazing how the entire OWS movement has fallen off the planet to make way for her and her need for Wall Street cash. Amazing also is how the cranky old commie sold out to Clinton money. Clinton could have saved herself a lot of grief if she had offered to buy Bernie a waterfront home at the beginning of the campaign instead of at the end.
Almost as amazing that after the election the rent-a-riots are starting up again.
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Almost as amazing that after the election the rent-a-riots are starting up again.
And organized so quickly ... almost as if they knew ...
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Can I steal this?
Yes you can.
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Yes you can.
thank you. It was spot on. H5 deserved and issued.
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They believed their own propoganda.
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They believed their own propoganda.
Definitely telling by using the word "rule".
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Adding to SVPete's list, there are a few things that the Bernie supporters were never going to go for:
- Her republican activist past
- The memory of Bill Clinton's foreign policy (Plan Colombia, for example, in which he teamed with Monsanto to spray roundup from planes over the country, as part of the "war on drugs" there - but in reality sprayed roundup indiscriminately over their food crops.)
- Bragging about being buddies with Kissinger
- Lying/bragging about running through a hailstorm of sniper bullets (I wasn't going to vote for her anyway, but as a veteran, f' that.)
- The whole "poor us, we left the white house bankrupt, and the only way we could scrape by to put food on our table was by giving speeches to Goldman Sachs for a quarter million dollars a pop, and no you can't read the transcripts" deal.
- Donations to the clinton foundation in return for state department favors.
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H-5, DAT!
The more one digs back into The SHREW-CHILL's past, the more one can see that her debacle was not just of her own making, but that it's the culmination of a lifetime of making.
2016 - The SHREW-CHILL calls in every collusive ploy with the MSM, DNC, and multiple Obama MALAdministration departments and agencies to grease her way to the D nomination and into the WH;
2009-2012 - The SHREW-CHILL set up and operated her own email server - in violation of multiple laws - for the express purpose of evading FOIA;
2006 and/or 2007 - The SHREW-CHILL denies she was interested in running for POTUS;
2001 - The SHREW-CHILL and William the Indolent furnish their NY home with furnishings and decorations from the WH;
2000 - The SHREW-CHILL carpet-bags from the WH into the Senate via New York;
1996-2000 - The SHREW-CHILL enables William the Indolent to gain and retain the WH by demonizing the victims of his sexual predations and honest persons who dared try to investigate them;
Arkansas - land deals, demonizing WJC's victims, cattle futures;
Watergate - Canned by the Ds for being unethical.
I seriously think that were one able to learn what was taught, to the youth group there especially, at the UMC in which The SHREW-CHILL grew up, one would find it was liberal-ends justified virtually any means.
IOW, I think The SHREW-CHILL's debacle on Tuesday was the denouement a lifetime in the making.
FWIW,I bid her and WJC good riddance, and I hope Chelsea is forced to try to live like a non-elite American. If the latter survives the bitter initial disappointment, she might actually learn something; if she shares her mother's disposition, she won't, IMO.
I dunno, I can't get inside other people's heads so I just go off my own ideals... right or wrong I guess.
To me, this was only partly about hating Clinton. I'm not a Trump fan, although rumors of late are starting to change my mind... think Bolton for SoS as an example. This kind of thing gets me excited.
To me, it was more the overall picture of what government has become, the hopeless level of corruption that is so far gone, I was convinced it could never be reversed. Immigration so out of control, it could never be fixed. People who hold American culture and values at heart are near a minority now, and the leftist import children all coming of voting age pretty much is the point where it all goes over the cliff, never to return to conservative values.
It was about lighting the fuse, and walking away... take the whole thing down with me if that's where we are going. That was motivation for my Trump vote. My final middle finger to the whole thing and everyone who destroyed it. Now? I'm starting to see actual HOPE for our future. Can it be reversed? who knows, but a week ago I would have said nope. Now... I'm saying "wow, this might actually happen"... and it makes me smile. I sure hope the crow tastes good a year from now, I'm actually looking forward to eating it.
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I dunno, I can't get inside other people's heads so I just go off my own ideals... right or wrong I guess.
To me, this was only partly about hating Clinton. I'm not a Trump fan, although rumors of late are starting to change my mind... think Bolton for SoS as an example. This kind of thing gets me excited.
To me, it was more the overall picture of what government has become, the hopeless level of corruption that is so far gone, I was convinced it could never be reversed. Immigration so out of control, it could never be fixed. People who hold American culture and values at heart are near a minority now, and the leftist import children all coming of voting age pretty much is the point where it all goes over the cliff, never to return to conservative values.
It was about lighting the fuse, and walking away... take the whole thing down with me if that's where we are going. That was motivation for my Trump vote. My final middle finger to the whole thing and everyone who destroyed it. Now? I'm starting to see actual HOPE for our future. Can it be reversed? who knows, but a week ago I would have said nope. Now... I'm saying "wow, this might actually happen"... and it makes me smile. I sure hope the crow tastes good a year from now, I'm actually looking forward to eating it.
Not sure if you are old enough to remember but after 4 years of Jimmuh the country had been told endlessly we were in decline,we should not expect anything more then average and so on.
Then 1980 came along.
Not comparing the two men but it feels more like that again then it has since.
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All you got to do is read DU's only working page right now to see they still don't get it, nor will they ever. As, it seems, they insist on remaining modern day Nazis, the time will eventually come to outst them permanently. But it'll be their own fault.
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(http://covers.booktopia.com.au/big/9781400142927/40-more-years.jpg)
They believed their own propoganda.
Coming to a discount bin near you.
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That reminds me of an article I read yesterday that resonated with me. American people, by and large, do not like being "ruled." They'd rather think of their government as their employees: Paid to do a job, and held accountable. Progressivism throws that out the window and proceeds to tell us what and what not do, how to do it, and when. The agencies become weaponized and the ruling class is created. We hate that.
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Not sure if you are old enough to remember but after 4 years of Jimmuh the country had been told endlessly we were in decline,we should not expect anything more then average and so on.
Then 1980 came along.
Not comparing the two men but it feels more like that again then it has since.
I was around 10 years old then so I wasn't paying much attention, I only learned to loath Carter later after seeing the devastation in historical reading.. mostly his financial policy and foreign relations wizardry that nearly tanked us.
I think I am probably just a victim of my own pessimism. After Bush caving with is famous "bi-partisan" efforts, then 8 years of BLM, OWS, watching prices of everything double while our resident claimed inflation was near zero, I think I just lost the will to try or care. Or maybe it was just my method of trying to control my blood pressure and overall attitude. Call it self-preservation I guess.
Im the type (flawed or otherwise) that chooses to ignore the noise that pisses me off and just pay attention to the high-level generalities. But when actual laws start getting passed that erode our freedom and sovereignty, I start letting myself get dragged down with it. I get really negative.
It's difficult when you try to read the news and see stuff like this:
http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/democrat-defecates-public-on-trump-sign.html/ (http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/democrat-defecates-public-on-trump-sign.html/)
Anyway, I guess I go through the cycles like anyone else, sometimes it's difficult to remain objective and positive, it's just nice right now to at least see it Is possible to bail the water out faster than it's coming in. Let's see if we actually do it
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I was around 10 years old then so I wasn't paying much attention, I only learned to loath Carter later after seeing the devastation in historical reading.. mostly his financial policy and foreign relations wizardry that nearly tanked us.
I think I am probably just a victim of my own pessimism. After Bush caving with is famous "bi-partisan" efforts, then 8 years of BLM, OWS, watching prices of everything double while our resident claimed inflation was near zero, I think I just lost the will to try or care. Or maybe it was just my method of trying to control my blood pressure and overall attitude. Call it self-preservation I guess.
Im the type (flawed or otherwise) that chooses to ignore the noise that pisses me off and just pay attention to the high-level generalities. But when actual laws start getting passed that erode our freedom and sovereignty, I start letting myself get dragged down with it. I get really negative.
It's difficult when you try to read the news and see stuff like this:
http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/democrat-defecates-public-on-trump-sign.html/ (http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/democrat-defecates-public-on-trump-sign.html/)
Anyway, I guess I go through the cycles like anyone else, sometimes it's difficult to remain objective and positive, it's just nice right now to at least see it Is possible to bail the water out faster than it's coming in. Let's see if we actually do it
It is human nature and part of the marxist/leftist playbook to beat a person down as far as having hope outside of what government can provide for them.
The idea that the best is just not attainable on our own.
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Dear Democrats and Liberals,
I'm noticing that a lot of you aren't graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost. In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.
Some of you are apparently "triggered". Because you are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.
How did this happen you ask.
You created "us" when you attacked our freedom of speech.
You created "us" when you attacked our right to bear arms.
You created "us" when you attacked our Christian beliefs.
You created "us" when you constantly referred to us as racists.
You created "us" when you constantly called us xenophobic.
You created "us" when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.
You created "us" when you forced us to buy health care and then financially penalized us for not participating.
You created "us" when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave our country.
You created "us" when you attacked our flag.
You created "us" when you confused women's rights with feminism.
You created "us" when you began to immasculate men.
You created "us" when you decided to make our children soft.
You created "us" when you decided to vote for progressive ideals.
You created "us" when you attacked our way of life.
You created "us" when you decided to let our government get out of control.
"You" created "us" the silent majority.
And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up.
And we did it with ballots, not bullets.
Well said, Linda. All true, all of it.
Hi-5.
CMD
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Who's to blame for the shellacking Messalina Agrippina took at the polls?
The superficial answer of course is she herself, the way she was her own worst enemy, lying and cheating and stealing and selling, but that's only on the surface.
Who was really to blame?
One has to go back to when Messalina Agrippina first started going bad, after the elections of 2008. It's true she ended up in a high-ranking position, but it was still much lesser than the one she'd sought, that of becoming president.
One has to admit 2008 was supposed to be her year, the year she should've gotten the Democrat nomination, the year she was at the peak of her intellectual, mental, and physical powers.
But she didn't, and naturally resented it very much. Being a persistent person, she decided to try again, and by God, no one was going to deny it to her this time. She pulled all stops, stopping at nothing, no matter how devious and dishonest.
She wouldn't have been this way if she'd gotten the Democrat nomination when she deserved it more than any other person.
Why didn't she get it in 2008?
Because there were many Democrats anti-women, and other Democrats far more interested in being hip, cool, trendy, with it--and "black" was more "in," than "woman"--than in the good of the Democrat party.
And there's who to blame; white Democrats with guilty consciences about the way Democrats had treated blacks in the past, who wished to make amends by nominating a "black" guy.
Of course, the only thing Obozo has in common with Lamond is that they share the same color of skin; otherwise Obozo and franksolich are more alike in all else. But being black-colored was good enough for most Democrats.
(They could've gotten two birds with one stone by nominating Cynthia McKinney, both a woman and an authentic black; one wonders why they didn't; I'm thinking it was because at heart, Democrats are anti-women).
There was going to be a black president sooner or later anyway; it didn't have to be in 2008; the blacks could've politely given the lady her turn first, but they and their white overlords got impatient, and shoved a pseudo-black man in front of her, getting her all upset and bent out of shape.
And so when "next time" came around, she wasn't about to let it slip away.
There's the answer; one can reasonably blame all this humiliation upon the Obozo Democrats of eight years ago, who turned her into a bitter cheating old woman.
Hillary Clinton would of been Barack Obama's third term. The election was a referendum on Obama.
There is also the rising premiums of Obamacare. That was a factor right there.
Clinton had her chance in 2008, but that went to Obama.
I remember Cynthia McKinney running in 2008. I thought she had a better shot than Clinton and Obama.
Obama won because he was seen as an outsider and relatively obscure. Clinton and McKinney were neither.
Hillary Clinton was in federal government since 1993 from First Lady, Senator, and Secretary Of State. She is the establishment. That right there did not good for her in 2016.
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The Shillery mailed it in like Martha Coakley did in the Scott Brown race. No energy, the arrogance and entitlement attitude all contributed.
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Dear Democrats and Liberals,
I'm noticing that a lot of you aren't graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost. In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.
Some of you are apparently "triggered". Because you are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.
How did this happen you ask.
You created "us" when you attacked our freedom of speech.
You created "us" when you attacked our right to bear arms.
You created "us" when you attacked our Christian beliefs.
You created "us" when you constantly referred to us as racists.
You created "us" when you constantly called us xenophobic.
You created "us" when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.
You created "us" when you forced us to buy health care and then financially penalized us for not participating.
You created "us" when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave our country.
You created "us" when you attacked our flag.
You created "us" when you confused women's rights with feminism.
You created "us" when you began to immasculate men.
You created "us" when you decided to make our children soft.
You created "us" when you decided to vote for progressive ideals.
You created "us" when you attacked our way of life.
You created "us" when you decided to let our government get out of control.
"You" created "us" the silent majority.
And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up.
And we did it with ballots, not bullets.
And they show no sign of learning. In fact, they're doubling down.
No one can agree with anyone 100% of the time. Yet, Proglodytes insist all who disagree be labelled with an ism. This means as everyone eventually comes to a conflict, no matter how be benign, the Proglodytes eventually label everyone. It is inevitable they will find themselves vastly outnumbered by those they consider deplorable.
But they're too arrogant to consider the math.
So... **** 'em.