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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on October 20, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512529719
Oh my.
Prisoner_Number_Six (15,580 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:56 AM
Who really gives a flying **** if trump concedes or not?
He can stand at the fence and gaze longingly at our seat of Democracy all he wants. Hell- let him stand on the sidewalk and shill for his alms- as long as he has a valid permit and doesn't interfere with our President's work.
Let him fade back into the wallpaper and become an unperson. Let him become a lesson to our children. Let him be a warning to our politicians that some things come with too high a price, and they'd better start paying attention to their real jobs- that of governing our nation. It's about time they find out the men and women of America really ARE paying attention to what happens out in the real world.
I really believe we needed this to happen. We needed a resounding slap upside our collective head to force us to wake up. This seems to be something even *bush never had the power to do.
Go figure.
alcibiades_mystery (35,752 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:57 AM
1. Seriously...the mechanisms of government don't depend on a loser not having a temper tantrum
BobbyDrake (2,317 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:58 AM
2. We're witnessing the media try to grab attention now that their artificial horse race died.
So while his statement about not conceding is outrageous, the fact is that his concession doesn't matter. The election is about the winner, not the loser.
EricMaundry (496 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:04 PM
3. Thank you
After Trump loses anything he has to say on the subject will be greeted with vast howling gales of laughter.
CincyDem (1,807 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:08 PM
4. Because we depend on a quadrennial "controlled coup" to transition power.
We have a winner. We have a loser. And we move on as a single country.
When we have a winner and we have a martyr, that moving on as a single country part gets tough.
At the rate he's going, Trump t-shirts will replace the confederate flag as the symbol of what we could have achieved if we just made the white (opps - I meant right) decision. His concession is, in effect, a statement that says "I will not lead a public insurrection against the legally elected government of this country". Now that doesn't mean he doesn't do it in private or behind the scenes but at least there's some semblance of orderly transition.
I think we've taken the transition of power for granted because we have always had Americans running for office...partisans but American. With Trump, I'm pretty sure America is not his first priority and it pisses me off that he gets to run around like a bull in our proverbial china shop of democracy.
Maybe I'm just old school but that's my two cents. He'll play by whatever rules most benefit Trumpland and he'll have a "**** the country" attitude when he does it.
frazzled (14,056 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:17 PM
5. It's not that we care about HIM
It won't matter whether he concedes or not: Hillary Clinton will take the oath of office.
What we are concerned about is the aftermath with his supporters. I'm not predicting guns in the streets. But as Dan Senor (yes, him!) explained it last night on the Charlie Rose panel: there are going to be a lot of Republican Congressmen/women whose constituents are going to believe the "rigged" scenario and demand revenge, and those Congresspeople will make it very difficult for the Republican Party and its leaders to negotiate with the Democratic president or other legislators on critical issues. People from Trump districts are going to rebel or lose their jobs in the next election, and it's going to be a big mess for our country.
Not that we haven't seen this as a huge problem already with the Obama administration. John Boehner quit because of it; and Paul Ryan is having no better luck taming the crazies.
I'm also going to say something very controversial that I've constrained myself from saying for more than a week now. I was very upset that Bernie Sanders did not concede the primary election for a very very long time. (I'm not sure he formally conceded it at all until some very recent speeches, where he is trying to pull back all the crazies who supported him and who are way off the reservation, as we have seen at JPR and elsewhere, spouting conspiracies and hatred). I didn't care about it in terms of electoral outcomes: Hillary Clinton won the primaries in a democratic manner, fairly and squarely, and was going to become the candidate. But the vestiges of all the conspiratorial "rigged" talk during the primary has left a mark that is hard to erase. Fortunately, all the sane Sanders supporters have come aboard and understand the imperative of keeping together to ensure that the country moves in the right direction--even if they have reservations about how fast or far that progress may extend. But there are a whole lot of crazies, as well as impressionable young people, who still live with the idea that Bernie was robbed, that the elections are fixed, that the parties cannot be trusted, that ...
It's really bad for the nation and our priorities.
Attila Marc the Hun:
DFW (21,588 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:25 PM
7. You're not predicting guns in the streets? I am.
There are enough crazies out there and there are DEFINITELY enough guns. If Trump takes his ego trip to the point where he wants to drag out an obvious result, he could have some blood on his hands. Just like O'Reilly--he denied all responsibility for the killing of Dr. Tiller, but he should have been indicted for incitement, because that is exactly what he did.
If Trump is careful with his words, he could refuse to concede without inciting less-than-stable people to go out and cause deadly harm, but when was the last time Trump was careful with his words?
DCBob (24,553 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:17 PM
6. He could cause some havoc by..
-- Demanding recounts in states with close margins..
-- Sue election officials he thought violated regs.
-- Rile up his supporters by going on national media claiming fraud and cheating.
It could get ugly I suppose depending on how rabid he becomes.
Grey Lemercier (216 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:36 PM
11. over half his supporters are violent racist thugs
He could whip them up into seriously ****ed up shit.
There's a, uh, problem with all this, but never mind.....
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This is getting to be truly funny!
Libs are all upset that, if billary wins, everyone won't just roll over and do whatever she says. Of course, that's what they did with Bush43 for 8 years, but we're not allowed to do that.
Boy, will they be in for a surprise!!
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DFW (21,588 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:25 PM
7. You're not predicting guns in the streets? I am.
There are enough crazies out there and there are DEFINITELY enough guns. If Trump takes his ego trip to the point where he wants to drag out an obvious result, he could have some blood on his hands. Just like O'Reilly--he denied all responsibility for the killing of Dr. Tiller, but he should have been indicted for incitement, because that is exactly what he did.
If Trump is careful with his words, he could refuse to concede without inciting less-than-stable people to go out and cause deadly harm, but when was the last time Trump was careful with his words?
Then you muzzie appeasers should be indicted for every act of terrorism.
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There's a, uh, problem with all this, but never mind.....
This is getting to be truly funny!
Libs are all upset that, if billary wins, everyone won't just roll over and do whatever she says. Of course, that's what they did with Bush43 for 8 years, but we're not allowed to do that.
Boy, will they be in for a surprise!!
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By the way,should Trump prevail there will not be one thread at the DUmp accepting the results.
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There's a, uh, problem with all this, but never mind.....
By the way,should Trump prevail there will not be one thread at the DUmp accepting the results.
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DFW (21,588 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:25 PM
7. You're not predicting guns in the streets? I am.
Marc, Marc, Marc.
No matter who wins, there will be blood. The only questions are "Whose?" and "who will be doing the bloodletting?"
You'd best stay in Germany, Marc.
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alcibiades_mystery (35,752 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:57 AM
1. Seriously...the mechanisms of government don't depend on a loser not having a temper tantrum
As demonstrated by AlGore and His Effingness, in 2000 and 2004, respectively.
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Prisoner_Number_Six (15,580 posts) Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:56 AM
Who really gives a flying **** if trump concedes or not?
He can stand at the fence and gaze longingly at our seat of Democracy all he wants.
What is it with (D)Ummies and 'democracy'?
We live in a republic, not a democracy.
I wish I could bitchslap a (D)Ummie every time I hear the words 'our democracy'.
CMD
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There's a, uh, problem with all this, but never mind.....
Hoo boy. A serious problem.
Unrecognizable, to the infants, as they project.
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As demonstrated by AlGore and His Effingness, in 2000 and 2004, respectively.
Exactly.
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By the way,should Trump prevail there will not be one thread at the DUmp accepting the results.
Nope. Just like in past Republican won elections.
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Good article by Pat Buchanan on the topic.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/an-establishment-in-panic-2/
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Well look at this.