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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: JakeStyle on September 25, 2016, 05:23:24 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028185880
Egnever (18,175 posts)
All of the videos and photos put together make it clear the cops are telling the truth about the gun
Last edited Sun Sep 25, 2016, 04:05 AM - Edit history (1)
Even with him having a gun I think the cops created this situation and there was no reason for it to end the way it did.
I am posting this for some clarity and because I believe making the story about police planting the gun takes away from the real issue that even with the gun he should not have been shot. I think the police use force far too easily and many are injured or killed because of it. It needs to be addressed.
Hopefully I can lay this out as clearly as possible.
First lets start with the best pics pics of the gun.
This one the gun is not that clear but it is visible notice the position back from the feet and to the right. The gun appears to be lying on its side with the mag facing the camera.
(http://s13.postimg.org/rjhd19gkn/gun_on_groundstill.png)
These are the evidence photos. These have no context so it is impossible to tie it to the first pic but that is the gun and ankle holster in question. Which appears to be the same type of gun from the first photo ( I am not a gun person so I don't know makes of guns but it is a glock type gun not a revolver and that seems consistent with the first photo)
(http://s3.postimg.org/cv0l7s05v/cops_gun_pic.png)
I have yet to see any video that you can make it out in his hands. That does not mean it isn't there though and based on what we can see I think there is little question he had it.
Now to where the gun is seen.
First the video from the wife which I think shows it's appearance clearest of all.
For clarity here is the whole video
https://youtu.be/glVRwRtdE4g
There is a lot more, but I'm old and my hands haven't woke up. It's worth looking at.
Response to Albertoo (Reply #9)
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 05:57 AM
Star Member MrScorpio (65,904 posts)
12. Yes, I do.
Because the rules for use of force are extremely leaning their favor. They don't actually have to BE in any sort of danger in order to kill anyone... They're simply allowed to do so because they FEEL that they are, regardless of the actual circumstances. Add that to the fact that the police are generally more scared of black people and are more biased against us than they are of whites, of course that explains why they're killing us at a higher proportional rate than whites.
American law enforcement is woefully undertrained, paranoid and overly entitled. Basically, too many of them behave like cowards at the drop of a hat and kill without hesitation. Also they kill people with the fullest expectation that citizens, the state and the media will find way to justify those murders. Blame the victim, that usually happens a lot.
AS a matter of fact, I believe that the police are more dangerous than terrorists in this country, especially for anyone in black and brown skin. All of us should take notice of this, since ordinary Americans are way more likely to be killed by the police than they are by any terrorist, regardless of skin color.
Although all law enforcement officers are not bad, of course, collectively, it's much better to not have any interaction with any of them all... Considering how so many ordinary situations are escalated into levels of lethality, simply by the added proximity of ANY police officer.
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A little Colt Mustang in .380 ACP. Cocked and unlocked. The serial number is still on the frame, too, which is surprising.
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Lamond should be happy that having shit for brains is not a crime.
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You know if these people of color would simply obey the police officers commands there wouldn't be all of these shootings.
See how simple the solution really is!
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You know if these people of color would simply obey the police officers commands there wouldn't be all of these shootings.
See how simple the solution really is!
You understand that, madam, and I understand that.
But apparently there's people like Lamond who are too stupid to get it.
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http://homicides.suntimes.com/category/week-in-review/
^^^a site (Chicago Sun-Times) that Lamond might find illuminating.
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Sun Sep 25, 2016, 05:57 AM
Star Member MrScorpio (65,904 posts)
12. Yes, I do.
... Add that to the fact that the police are generally more scared of black people and are more biased against us than they are of whites, of course that explains why they're killing us at a higher proportional rate than whites.
Well, either MrS is lying, or grossly ignorant. I'm nice and in a good mood, :-) , so I'll go with "grossly ignorant":
Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/)
By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Tuesday, April 21, 2015
Nobel Prize-winning novelist Toni Morrison says she wants to see an officer shoot an unarmed white teenager in the back before agreeing that the “conversation about race†is over, but she almost certainly already has received her wish.
An analysis released last week shows that more white people died at the hands of law enforcement than those of any other race in the last two years, even as the Justice Department, social-justice groups and media coverage focus on black victims of police force.
IMO, there are two reasons for MrS's gross ignorance: like many other DU-folk (and many Libs/Progs generally), MrS refuses to hear inconvenient truths when the sources are sources he hates (e.g. Fox, the WashTimes, etc.); the sources MrS will listen to publish what supports their narrative and worldview andmostly ignore what does not. Hence, re the latter, MrS won't hear about whites who are killed by police. Such instances might get 2-3 lines in the B or C sections of local papers, and pretty much nothing on broadcast "news". OTOH, a significant percentage of cases of a black being shot by a police officer get instant nation-wide coverage, and when the police officers are vindicated, the national MSM either cast doubt on that part of the stories, or just go silent.
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( I am not a gun person so I don't know makes of guns but it is a glock type gun not a revolver and that seems consistent with the first photo)
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Police yell "Drop the gun" over 10x.
Wife screams "Don't you do it, Keith" several times.
I don't see how they can say this is unjustified. She knew he was going to confront them.
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Wife screams "Don't you do it, Keith" several times.
... She knew he was going to confront them.
IMO, her repeated pleadings show 4 things:
1.) She knew he was armed;
2.) She knew his violent character;
3.) She knew he was determined to "have this out";
4.) She knew it would not go well for him.