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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Lord Undies on August 03, 2008, 08:40:59 PM
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:23 PM
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
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"HOUSTON - The planned execution this week of a man convicted in one of Houston's most brutal murder cases in a generation has become among the most contentious in the state that has the nation's busiest capital punishment system.
International attention has been focused on the execution of convicted killer Jose Medellin scheduled for Tuesday. The International Court of Justice, also known as the World Court, said the Mexican-born Medellin and some 50 other Mexicans on death row around the nation should have new hearings in U.S. courts to determine whether a 1963 treaty was violated during their arrests.
Medellin, now 33, is the first among the 50 who is set to die.
His attorneys contend Medellin was denied the protections of the Vienna Convention, which calls for people arrested to have access to their home country's consular officials. He has been in the United States since the age of 3..."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_on_re_us/texas_e...
Possumpoint (333 posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:26 PM
Response to Original message
1. I Agree With Texas
Screw Mexico. If the man is guilty, fry him.
Dangerous troll!
IanDB1 (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. International treaties ratified by Congress are the highest law of the land.
Higher even than The Constitution.
This is not a matter of what rights that monster deserves.
This is a matter of our obligations as a country on the world stage.
It's that sacred yet uneven "Rule of Law" DUmmie thing again, isn't it?
vitamin_D (4 posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:28 PM
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2. Why is the shrub sticking his nose in this?
I wonder what the shrub would have done if it was one of his daughters that was brutally raped.
The President's nose is in it because your precious World Court ask him to put his nose in it. Idiot.
Rex (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:29 PM
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3. Well the US does NOT answer to any governing body outside our borders.
We think ourselves immune from any kind of court outside our own system. We think we can hold people regardless of any international laws. See Gitmo.
Gitmo is the result of international idiocy, not the answer to it.
IanDB1 (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. It does not matter what he deserves. We have obligations under international law.
If we do not fulfill our obligations, then nobody else needs to fulfill theirs toward us.
Remember that the next time you leave the country and wonder, "What if this medication I have a doctor's prescription for is still illegal in the country I'm visiting?"
So this Mexican trash is suppose to escape his sentence so you can smuggle dope into other countries?
robcon (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Huh? What international Laws???
Texas is a sovereign state. The U.S. is a sovereign country. We have to live up to treaties we have signed, BUT NOT TO DIRECTION WE RECEIVE FROM INTERNATIONAL BODIES WHO HAVE NO JURISDICTION IN THIS CASE.
There is no harm in international agencies' having a problem with the death penalty in this case. Like other "friend of the court" pleas, we can choose to abide by their counsel, or ignore it. I think it is wise to ignore their counsel in this case.
Such thinking will not draw you a remark on DUmpass Island. You breath has been wasted.
TomInTib (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:36 PM
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8. Poor Jose, what a sweetheart....
"Medellin speaks, reads and writes English and gave a written confession.
"Don't feel sorry for me," he said on an anti-death penalty Web site where inmates seek pen pals. "I'm where I'm at because I made an adolescent choice."
Medellin, on death row for almost 14 years, was one of six teenagers arrested and charged with the gang rape and murders of Elizabeth Pena, 16, and Jennifer Ertman, 14. The two Houston girls, returning from a friend's house, took a shortcut home and stumbled on a group of teenagers drinking beer after initiating a new gang member.
Evidence showed the girls were gang raped for more than an hour, then were kicked, beaten and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later."
Those girls were someone's daughter, grandchild, sister, niece.
But **** 'em, anyway.
Poor Jose.
I remember when this happened, as I was living in Houston at the time.
These ****ers are sub-human and should have been destroyed years ago.
A pit bull bites a neighbor who has taunted it for years and is put down. All the "Progressives" shout, "Huzzah!".
But let these sorry mother****ers rape a couple of innocent teenage girls for an afternoon and then sadistically take their lives, and we are supposed to act all kindly toward them?
**** 'em.
For about an hour.
And then stomp their faces in and finish it off with a good beating.
Then strangle them.
Until they are dead, dead, dead.
Lawdy! I spoke too soon. TiT has a lucid moment.
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:36 PM
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I remember when this happened, as I was living in Houston at the time.
Tit can't even say the right thing without injecting himself into the event.
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Good on Texas for giving the finger to the World "Court"
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:36 PM
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I remember when this happened, as I was living in Houston at the time.
Tit can't even say the right thing without injecting himself into the event.
That could have been his girlfriend.
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Screw the World Court.
kudos to Texas!
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Good on Texas for giving the finger to the World "Court"
Ditto! and Ol Mezco too...
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Remember that the next time you leave the country and wonder, "What if this medication I have a doctor's prescription for is still illegal in the country I'm visiting?"
Such things are usually handled by Customs. A better analogy would be: "Remember that the next time you leave the country and bathe in a native girl's blood."
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Oh yeah, and **** the World Court.
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He has been in the United States since the age of 3..."
OK... grant him US citizenship, then fry his ass.
:fuelfire:
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Maybe they ought to do him tonight since that tropical storm is bearing down on the death chamber.
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OK... grant him US citizenship, then fry his ass.
:fuelfire:
They should do that about 30 seconds prior to injecting him with the chemicals that will kill him.
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What treaty are the DUmp monkeys talking about. The US is not a signatory to any traty establishing or recognizing a world court. It is simialr to saying we can't give letters of marque out. We aren't signatories to that treaty either.
Notably, none of the prisoners that brought suit were denied access to the Mexican embassy after they declared the nationality as such.
This scum die in a manner much more peaceful than his victims.
(edited due to the fact the poster can't type.)
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OK... grant him US citizenship, then fry his ass.
:fuelfire:
They should do that about 30 seconds prior to injecting him with the chemicals that will kill him.
Then Find 100 million extra dollars for the Great Wall of Texas !
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Oh and while we are at it:
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7261/screwunes4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
TOO!
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Oh and while we are at it:
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7261/screwunes4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
TOO!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/freedumb2003/UN_helmet-small.jpg)
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And screw the Closit Libertarians (True Liberals) at CU .... :fuelfire:
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Oh and while we are at it:
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7261/screwunes4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
TOO!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/freedumb2003/UN_helmet-small.jpg)
That works too.
:cheersmate:
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and fu** the RCMP too ! :fuelfire:
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And screw the Closit Libertarians (True Liberals) at CU .... :fuelfire:
So noted, but unnecessary. This thread is about DU. Thank you.
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From a resident of the People's Republic of Noo Yawk, . . . good on Texas! I've lived all but 3 1/2 years of my life in Noo Yawk, and the state that I spent the second longest time period in is Texas. I'm proud to say that I lived there.
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IanDB1
5. International treaties ratified by Congress are the highest law of the land.
Higher even than The Constitution.
Never underestimate the stupidity of someone who believes the UN Charter supersedes the US Constitution.
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IanDB1 (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. International treaties ratified by Congress are the highest law of the land.
Higher even than The Constitution.
This is not a matter of what rights that monster deserves.
This is a matter of our obligations as a country on the world stage.
You're an idiot and an ignoramus, Ian, but I guess we all knew that already. Treaties do not trump our Constitution, they are at the same level as statutory law...to the point that statutes passed after the treaty are considered to trump the treaty in cases of conflict. This involves an issue of the State's criminal justice jurisdiction and from the State's point of view, the only Federal basis to intervene is a violation of the convict's Constitutional rights, which treaty provision aren't. There's certainly a technical legal argument to be made for the opposite outcome, but I'm all for Texas offing the piece of shit and the Feds don't seem too enthusiastic about pushing the counterargument.
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IanDB1 (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. International treaties ratified by Congress are the highest law of the land.
Higher even than The Constitution.
This is not a matter of what rights that monster deserves.
This is a matter of our obligations as a country on the world stage.
You're an idiot and an ignoramus, Ian, but I guess we all knew that already. Treaties do not trupm opt Constitution, they are at the same level as statutory law...to the point that statutes passed after the treaty are considered to trump the treaty in cases of conflict. This involves an issue of the State's criminal justice jurisdiction and from the State's point of view, the only Federal basis to intervene is a violation of the convict's Constitutional rights, which treaty provision aren't. There's certainly a technical legal argument to be made for the opposite outcome, but I'm all for Texas offing the piece of shit and the Feds don't seem too enthusiastic about pushing the counterargument.
I THOUGHT i WAS THE BOARD iDIOT ? :bird:
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Well, Don, IanDB1 isn't on our board, so your role is secure. In fact missing the point that Ian isn't ours is kind of an affirmation!
:tongue:
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Well, Don, IanDB1 isn't on our board, so your role is secure. In fact missing the point that Ian isn't ours is kind of an affirmation!
:tongue:
Good! Thanx ,I relieved ! :cheersmate:
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Well, Don, IanDB1 isn't on our board, so your role is secure. In fact missing the point that Ian isn't ours is kind of an affirmation!
:tongue:
Somewhere a village is short up...
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IanDB1 (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. International treaties ratified by Congress are the highest law of the land.
Higher even than The Constitution.
This is not a matter of what rights that monster deserves.
This is a matter of our obligations as a country on the world stage.
You're an idiot and an ignoramus, Ian, but I guess we all knew that already. Treaties do not trupm opt Constitution, they are at the same level as statutory law...to the point that statutes passed after the treaty are considered to trump the treaty in cases of conflict. This involves an issue of the State's criminal justice jurisdiction and from the State's point of view, the only Federal basis to intervene is a violation of the convict's Constitutional rights, which treaty provision aren't. There's certainly a technical legal argument to be made for the opposite outcome, but I'm all for Texas offing the piece of shit and the Feds don't seem too enthusiastic about pushing the counterargument.
I THOUGHT i WAS THE BOARD iDIOT ? :bird:
Have you met TNO or Bridget?
:thatsright:
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IanDB1 (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. International treaties ratified by Congress are the highest law of the land.
Higher even than The Constitution.
This is not a matter of what rights that monster deserves.
This is a matter of our obligations as a country on the world stage.
You're an idiot and an ignoramus, Ian, but I guess we all knew that already. Treaties do not trupm opt Constitution, they are at the same level as statutory law...to the point that statutes passed after the treaty are considered to trump the treaty in cases of conflict. This involves an issue of the State's criminal justice jurisdiction and from the State's point of view, the only Federal basis to intervene is a violation of the convict's Constitutional rights, which treaty provision aren't. There's certainly a technical legal argument to be made for the opposite outcome, but I'm all for Texas offing the piece of shit and the Feds don't seem too enthusiastic about pushing the counterargument.
I THOUGHT i WAS THE BOARD iDIOT ? :bird:
Have you met TNO or Bridget?
:thatsright:
In a very short time, DP has shot past them. And I think TNO is still sulking from not being able to hijack a Crevo thread. Bridget must have had salt shaken on her and just dissolved.
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
How can Texas defy something that has no juristiction over them? LIBERALS suck! :bawl: :bawl:
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
How can Texas defy something that has no juristiction over them? LIBERALS suck! :bawl: :bawl:
I strongly suspect that Texas, being Texas and therefore full of Texans, would be telling the World Court, the Anarchists Criminals and Lechers Union, all three branches of the Federal Government, and George H.W.Bush, Jimmeh Cartah, Jesse Jackson and the Vienna Boys Chior to pound sand in this case, even if the World Court DID supposedly have authority in the matter.
edited because the poster is an idiot who can't spell for shit today.
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
How can Texas defy something that has no juristiction over them? LIBERALS suck! :bawl: :bawl:
I strongly suspect that Texas, being Texas and therefore full of Texans, would be telling the World Court, the Anarchists Criminals and Lechers Union, all three branches of the Federal Government, and George H.W.Bush, Jimmeh Cartah, Jesse Jackson and the Vienna Boys Quoir to pound sand in this case, even if the World Court DID supposedly have authority in the matter.
Agreed, those mex's are going to fry.....see ya!
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
How can Texas defy something that has no juristiction over them? LIBERALS suck! :bawl: :bawl:
I strongly suspect that Texas, being Texas and therefore full of Texans, would be telling the World Court, the Anarchists Criminals and Lechers Union, all three branches of the Federal Government, and George H.W.Bush, Jimmeh Cartah, Jesse Jackson and the Vienna Boys Chior to pound sand in this case, even if the World Court DID supposedly have authority in the matter.
edited because the poster is an idiot who can't spell for shit today.
You could probably add a few Nebraskans and an Iowan or two in there as well.
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
How can Texas defy something that has no juristiction over them? LIBERALS suck! :bawl: :bawl:
I strongly suspect that Texas, being Texas and therefore full of Texans, would be telling the World Court, the Anarchists Criminals and Lechers Union, all three branches of the Federal Government, and George H.W.Bush, Jimmeh Cartah, Jesse Jackson and the Vienna Boys Quoir to pound sand in this case, even if the World Court DID supposedly have authority in the matter.
Agreed, those mex's are going to fry.....see ya!
Mmmmmm re-fried beaners.... (http://usmilnet.com/smf/Smileys/default/Doh.gif)
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
How can Texas defy something that has no juristiction over them? LIBERALS suck! :bawl: :bawl:
I strongly suspect that Texas, being Texas and therefore full of Texans, would be telling the World Court, the Anarchists Criminals and Lechers Union, all three branches of the Federal Government, and George H.W.Bush, Jimmeh Cartah, Jesse Jackson and the Vienna Boys Quoir to pound sand in this case, even if the World Court DID supposedly have authority in the matter.
Agreed, those mex's are going to fry.....see ya!
Mmmmmm re-fried beaners.... (http://usmilnet.com/smf/Smileys/default/Doh.gif)
If I had posted that reply (I would have been branded a "Racist Homophobe Spammer" ...
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See what developing a reputation for being a Conservative racist, sexist, bigot and homophobe can get ya?
You must learn the ways of the force if you're to come with me to Alderan, young padowan.
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See what developing a reputation for being a Conservative racist, sexist, bigot and homophobe can get ya?
You must learn the ways of the force if you're to come with me to Alderan, young padowan.
No thanx ... I'm OK .Your OK ...
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Jose Medellin is scum (apologies to all the scum out there). He and his cohorts brutally raped and sodomized two innocent girls who were at the wrong place at the wrong time, then with cold blood, murdered the two girls by strangulation with a leather belt so hard that the belt broke. The six thugs then kicked the girls repeatedly to make sure they were dead. Medellin then lifted a watch off of Elizabeth Pena as a present to his girlfriend, laughing to his fellow gang members that "She won't be needing this anymore."
What is telling is that information that led to the six being brought to justice was provided by members of the gang's own families.......they didn't want to see the parents suffering the way that they were suffering on TV.
Peter Cantu, another gang member scheduled to die for the murders, repeatedly tried to kick at a television camera when being filmed at his arrest.
What troubles me is that the USSC applied "international law" when making the decision that two of the murderers were underage at the time of the murder and could not be executed. I am against the death penalty, but all six of these thugs deserve a short drop from a rope.
I can't even say "May God have mercy on his soul."
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Primitives can't bring themselves to acknowledge Evil !
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Primitives can't bring themselves to acknowledge Evil !
That's because they usually believe the same things.
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From what I heard on Glenn Becks show today that SOB should be about to meet his end at 5:30 pm today.
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From what I heard on Glenn Becks show today that SOB should be about to meet his end at 5:30 pm today.
Texas toast.
Works for me.
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That should be right about now, assuming 17:30 Texas Time.
:cheersmate: Rot in hell cocksucker!
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Texas defies World Court, Bush on execution
How can Texas defy something that has no juristiction over them? LIBERALS suck! :bawl: :bawl:
I strongly suspect that Texas, being Texas and therefore full of Texans, would be telling the World Court, the Anarchists Criminals and Lechers Union, all three branches of the Federal Government, and George H.W.Bush, Jimmeh Cartah, Jesse Jackson and the Vienna Boys Quoir to pound sand in this case, even if the World Court DID supposedly have authority in the matter.
Agreed, those mex's are going to fry.....see ya!
Mmmmmm re-fried beaners.... (http://usmilnet.com/smf/Smileys/default/Doh.gif)
If I had posted that reply (I would have been branded a "Racist Homophobe Spammer" ...
So? It would not be the first time now would it?
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See what developing a reputation for being a Conservative racist, sexist, bigot and homophobe can get ya?
You must learn the ways of the force if you're to come with me to Alderan, young padowan.
No thanx ... I'm OK .Your OK ...
I am OK with that.
Please continue....
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From what I heard on Glenn Becks show today that SOB should be about to meet his end at 5:30 pm today.
Texas toast.
Works for me.
Texas Toast with a side of Mexi Fries.
Yummy.....
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From what I heard on Glenn Becks show today that SOB should be about to meet his end at 5:30 pm today.
Texas toast.
Works for me.
Texas Toast with a side of Mexi Fries.
Yummy.....
Damn, now I'm hungry
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bulletin...........even as I type this. Jose Medellin is now strapped to the gurney and the three drug cocktail is going to be administered.........more as this event unfolds.
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bulletin...........even as I type this. Jose Medellin is now strapped to the gurney and the three drug cocktail is going to be administered.........more as this event unfolds.
Is anyone carrying it?
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bulletin...........even as I type this. Jose Medellin is now strapped to the gurney and the three drug cocktail is going to be administered.........more as this event unfolds.
Is anyone carrying it?
Too bad the Texas Department of Corrections can't sell pay per view rights to their executions. Probably rake in profits hand over fist on this sunuvabitch.
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Ah, yes, it went off.
Texas Executes Mexican for Raping, Killing Teens
Wednesday, August 06, 2008
(It's an AP story)
HUNTSVILLE, Texas — A Mexican-born condemned prisoner was executed Tuesday night for the rape and murder of two teenage girls 15 years ago after a divided U.S. Supreme Court rejected his request for a reprieve.
"I'm sorry my actions caused you pain. I hope this brings you the closure that you seek. Never harbor hate," Jose Medellin said to those gathered to watch him die. Nine minutes later, at 9:57 p.m., he was pronounced dead.
Medellin's execution, the fifth this year in the nation's busiest capital punishment state, attracted international attention after he raised claims he wasn't allowed to consult the Mexican consulate for legal help following his arrest. State officials say he didn't ask to do so until well after he was convicted of capital murder.
Medellin, 33, was condemned for participating in the 1993 gang rape, beating and strangling of Elizabeth Pena, 16, and Jennifer Ertman, 14. He and five fellow gang members attacked the Houston girls as they were walking home on a June night, raped and tortured them for an hour, then kicked and stomped them before using a belt and shoelaces to strangle them.
Satan should be working him over in the same fashion right about now . . . :evillaugh:
The rest of the article is at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398465,00.html
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Justice has been served.
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(http://www.events.wvu.edu/comedy/06-07/ron_white/white.jpg)
I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.
That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.
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(http://www.events.wvu.edu/comedy/06-07/ron_white/white.jpg)
I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.
That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.
Noone says it better!
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(http://www.events.wvu.edu/comedy/06-07/ron_white/white.jpg)
I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.
That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.
Noone says it better!
...but he has a funny accent. :tongue:
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aCCENT ? What accent ?? :fuelfire: