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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BattleHymn on September 18, 2016, 01:19:21 AM
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This one is hot off the wire yet...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028171103
TheMastersNemesis (5,796 posts)
The Insanity Of An Open Carry "Locked & Loaded" Society.
This carry any weapon you want anywhere really has to stop. It is just insane to have some idiot running around with a locked and loaded weapon anywhere they want to go. In the end we will be killing many more innocent by standers than terrorists or criminals. Even in a fire fight by trained professionals the target it rarely hit as bullets fly everywhere. If a marksman policeman cannot really hit a suspect at close range what chance does an armed untrained civilian have?
Now the weapon of today is an assault rifle slung over someone's soldier with 30 rounds and maybe even 100 rounds in a clip. So what is next? Hand grenades, M60 machine gun, grenade launcher? The new meme is that what weapon is allowed is ambiguous so it could be anything. And in many cases a round is probably chambered which is even more dangerous.
In a shooting crisis the police will not know for sure who the real shooter is. And it is only a matter of time that "a good guy with a gun" is taken out instead of the real perpetrator.
The real push is to be able to carry a loaded weapon of choice anywhere and everywhere. And that means everywhere. The gun nuts say that cannot be denied that right. We are told that we are forced to accept that reality.
Again as I have written before that if you are so paranoid that you must carry a loaded weapon everywhere you go then you are not really qualified to carry one. You are a menace to yourself and others. And you are down right dangerous.
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former9thward (17,309 posts) Sun Sep 18, 2016, 02:33 AM
2. What is your evidence of this?
Most states have had open carry forever (such as mine , Arizona) and there has been no problems as you and the OP suggest.
pablo_marmol (1,777 posts) Sun Sep 18, 2016, 03:02 AM
response to hypertensive Bob
4. Too bad that empirical evidence destroys your "argument".
Experience in Texas demonstrates that no harm comes from concealed carry.......and in fact permit holders are among the most law-abiding citizens in the state. Same applies in other 'shall issue' states. Much hysteria over nothing.
https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm
Skittles (108,652 posts) Sun Sep 18, 2016, 03:51 AM
10. paranoid gun humpers are a dime a dozen in America
they can all **** themselves; they're certainly doing a great job ****ing America
^^^must be referring to Lamond's brothers in Detroit and other hell-hole urban centers run by corrupt Democrat machines.
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But a "right" to rip an unborn baby apart that was divined from the penumbra of something is sacred.
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former9thward (17,309 posts) Sun Sep 18, 2016, 02:33 AM
2. What is your evidence of this?
Most states have had open carry forever (such as mine , Arizona) and there has been no problems as you and the OP suggest.
pablo_marmol (1,777 posts) Sun Sep 18, 2016, 03:02 AM
response to hypertensive Bob
4. Too bad that empirical evidence destroys your "argument".
Experience in Texas demonstrates that no harm comes from concealed carry.......and in fact permit holders are among the most law-abiding citizens in the state. Same applies in other 'shall issue' states. Much hysteria over nothing.
https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm
Poor old Bob. Putting his only foot forward and being beaten with it.
Skittles (108,652 posts) Sun Sep 18, 2016, 03:51 AM
10. paranoid gun humpers are a dime a dozen in America
they can all **** themselves; they're certainly doing a great job ****ing America
You know, whenever I encounter people, such as yourself, this image always comes to mind.
(http://academics.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/Vietimages/VCadams.jpg)
...and it makes me happy.
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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)Sun Sep 18, 2016, 03:49 AM
DFW (21,209 posts)
9. That last was the most pertinent
It can't really be written into legislation, but it's nonetheless a major truth: "if you are so paranoid that you must carry a loaded weapon everywhere you go then you are not really qualified to carry one."
If you are so morally bankrupt that you would vote for the crooked, lying, coughing, cross-eyed, slobbering, tub of guts, basket case Hillary, then you are not really qualified to vote.
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boy, the unhinged hate is strong with this one
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Again as I have written before that if you are so paranoid that you must carry a loaded weapon everywhere you go then you are not really qualified to carry one. You are a menace to yourself and others. And you are down right dangerous.
On what level is Bob The Paranoid qualified to tell us how to deal with other "paranoid" people?
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Are more than a very few DU-folk capable of recognizing and admitting that TMN's dire claims of what he fantasizes is not happening? And that much/most "gun violence" is perpetrated by people who are forbidden under existing laws to possess guns (i.e. were not deterred or hindered by those existing laws)? Not by concealed carry permit holders or by lawful open-carriers?
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boy, the unhinged hate is strong with this one
That is how TMN has defined his very existence. Very sad, actually.
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Poor, poor
Eileen Bob. The mere sight of a holstered handgun makes him piss down his leg.
TheMastersNemesis (5,796 posts)
The Insanity Of An Open Carry "Locked & Loaded" Society.
This carry any weapon you want anywhere really has to stop. It is just insane to have some idiot running around with a locked and loaded weapon anywhere they want to go. In the end we will be killing many more innocent by standers than terrorists or criminals.
What you mean "we", paleface? You, of course, but who else? Your fellow DUmmies, perhaps? Yeah, I could see that. Your type are not to be trusted.
If a marksman policeman cannot really hit a suspect at close range what chance does an armed untrained civilian have?
Whoa, trigger warning! Call out the KKKlams. We got a sexist over here!
Now the weapon of today is an assault rifle slung over someone's soldier with 30 rounds and maybe even 100 rounds in a clip.
The modern musket, little one-legged bitch. Every Man A Rifleman.
And in many cases a round is probably chambered which is even more dangerous.
Do you know what happens if you don't have a round chambered when you need it? You come in second place, and in a gunfight that's a bad thing.
On a related note, I was at the range Friday afternoon, practicing a gunfighting drill. From seven yards, draw and fire two rounds center of mass in 1 second. I should record a range session and send the YouTube link to Ol' Five Toes.
In a shooting crisis the police will not know for sure who the real shooter is. And it is only a matter of time that "a good guy with a gun" is taken out instead of the real perpetrator.
Already happened, numb nut. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/14/three-brothers-arrested-maryland-officers-death/81754268/
What a maroon.
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one of these days we will wonder why old Peg-Leg suddenly disappeared. He will have burst a vein.
That level of impotent rage is not healthy.
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One of these days we will wonder why old Peg-Leg suddenly disappeared. He will have burst a vein.
The question being, are we going to be sad about it?
He was a career governmental employee, remember, with all sorts of generous death benefits for his widow when he passes.
<<<doubts Clara will be much bothered by it either.
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Now the weapon of today is an assault rifle slung over someone's soldier with 30 rounds and maybe even 100 rounds in a clip.
If TMN really served in the military, he should know he lied in this statement. Per how the US military defines "Assault Rifle" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle):
The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[16] In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:
* It must be capable of selective fire.
* It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle.
* Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.
* It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.
For example:
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* Semi-automatic-only rifles like variants of the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
"Selective fire" means switchable from single shot per trigger pull to automatic multiple shots per trigger pull. I'm sure most/all CC-folk know this distinction, but there may be lurkers from DU or other onlurkers who do not. By emphasizing - as he often has done - his past military service, TMN is claiming experience-based special credibility/authority. In other words, TMN knows that AR-15 type and other semi-automatic rifles, are not "assault rifles. Further, TMN knows that it is virtually impossible for a civilian to legally obtain a true assault rifle. Because of these things that some one who served in the military (as TMN claims to have done) would know, TMN knowingly lied in posting the statement I quoted above.
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And in many cases a round is probably chambered which is even more dangerous.
Evidently, TMN hasn't done much hunting. Whether for birds, using shotguns, or larger game, using a rifle, hunters routinely have shells or rounds chambered, for hours. And while there are hunting accidents, they are rare, in the context of how many people hunt how often and for how long. IOW, the danger is miniscule, and with normal careful handling the danger is near zero. More to the point, TMN is either grossly exaggerating, from a position of utter ignorance, or knowingly lying. Given TMN's lying usage of "assault rifle", noted above, I lean strongly toward TMN having intentionally lied in this statement as well.
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If TMN really served in the military, he should know he lied in this statement. Per how the US military defines "Assault Rifle" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle):
"Selective fire" means switchable from single shot per trigger pull to automatic multiple shots per trigger pull. I'm sure most/all CC-folk know this distinction, but there may be lurkers from DU or other onlurkers who do not. By emphasizing - as he often has done - his past military service, TMN is claiming experience-based special credibility/authority. In other words, TMN knows that AR-15 type and other semi-automatic rifles, are not "assault rifles. Further, TMN knows that it is virtually impossible for a civilian to legally obtain a true assault rifle. Because of these things that some one who served in the military (as TMN claims to have done) would know, TMN knowingly lied in posting the statement I quoted above.
I saw that, and the misuse of the word "clip", too.
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I saw that, and the misuse of the word "clip", too.
But for his claim to have served in the military, I'd guess TMN was dressing, willy-nilly, his hoplophobic rants with buzz words he learned from 1960s comic books and 1980s Rambo-type action movies, just to boost his credibility. Maybe his military service amounted to a little more than standing guard over a Sherman tank in some park to make sure no one drove it away ... or maybe he's a pretender.