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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on August 15, 2016, 08:43:42 AM
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davidn3600 (5,848 posts)
How do you define whether an athlete is male or female?
A simple task, you say? Well....maybe not according to the world of sports. Sports leagues, committees, and federations seem to be increasingly having problems defining what used to be thought of as common sense.
Last summer, 19-year old sprinter Dutee Chand’s ability to compete in the Rio Olympics was in limbo. Her fate was not tied up in her race time, but rather a controversial rule for Olympians that said female athletes could be disqualified if their natural testosterone levels were too high. Chand’s were.
The rationale behind the rule was that women with high testosterone fall outside the limits of “normal†female biology, giving them an unfair advantage. If they wanted to compete as women, the rule stated, they would need to take hormones or undergo invasive surgeries. Otherwise, they could compete against the men.
Chand decided to fight the rule, which had been adopted by both the governing body of track and field — the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) — and the International Olympics Committee (IOC). In July of last year, she won: the Court of Arbitration for Sport suspended the so-called “T-test.†It gave the IAAF two years to come back with scientific evidence that female athletes with naturally high testosterone actually had a significant advantage over their peers.
“Although athletics events are divided into discrete male and female categories, sex in humans is not simply binary,†the Court decided. “Nevertheless,†it added, “it is necessary for the IAAF to formulate a basis for the division of athletes into the male and female categories.†In other words, some kind of biological gender test is needed.
This week, the IAAF announced that it intended to fight the Court’s suspension of the T-test. “The IAAF stands by its Regulations and is continuing to collect the evidence,†a representative told BuzzFeed News by email. The IOC, meanwhile, said that it would not introduce any new hormone rules “until the issues of the case of Dutee Chand are resolved.â€
On Friday, Chand will be competing in the 100-meter dash in Rio, making her the first Indian woman to qualify in the Olympic event in 36 years. As part of the rule’s temporary suspension, other women with high testosterone will also be allowed to compete. (The rules are different for trans athletes. Although trans men can compete without restriction, trans women will have to demonstrate lowered hormone levels for at least a year before competing.)
Historians and bioethicists have argued that Chand’s victory is only temporary. Even if the T-test is not used next year, the Court is still pushing for a gender test. Critics say these tests try to draw a firm line between the two sexes where none exists in nature — at the expense of women athletes deemed too masculine.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/sex-testing-olympians?utm_term=.ss9PAKJ7K#.yv6VY59z5
Today, the question is how do you define whether an athlete is male or female? What criteria makes the determination? Most times you would say it's common sense. Michael Phelps is a male and Simone Biles is a female. No one is going to argue that. But how do you make that determination in legal language? And what do you do about athletes who might not be that clear-cut?
In the past it was strictly genitalia. If you have a penis, you compete as a male. If not, you are a female. Simple. But now, others have introduced other criteria such as genetic tests and hormone tests. If a woman (a biologically-born woman) has a higher testosterone level than other women, does that give her an unfair advantage? Some say it does and that the "masculine woman" should compete with the men. Many feminists say this is wrong because it's forcing all female athletes into a stereotype of perceived femininity. In other words, if a woman happens to be masculine, she gets punished.
And what role does gender identity play in this question? That's an even bigger debate.
hughee99 (14,309 posts)
3. Ask them. That seems to be how this is handled, right?
ZombieHorde (28,933 posts)
4. Since their concern is testosterone, they could simply due away
with sex-based categories and use categories based on testosterone instead.
Nye Bevan (25,174 posts)
6. Interesting idea.
Determine the median testosterone level of the population as a whole, and have separate competitions for (1) those above that level and (2) those below that level. Most men would fall into the first category and most women into the second, but there would be plenty of exceptions.
So now the games will no longer be men's and women's but:
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Stinky The Clown (54,695 posts)
5. I think the common sense rule needs to apply.
The only open issue is how to deal with Trans athletes. I'm honestly not sure about that, but would think they compete as the gender they self identify.
As to the article's opening issue - high-T women - that holds no weight in my mind. What about tall women or men with larger than normal hearts or lungs with higher than normal capacity, or . . . . or . . . . or. Natural high-T is natural.
PoindexterOglethorpe (95 posts)
9. I'd suggest a simple chromosome
count. If the athlete is XX, it's a she. If XY it's a he.
Taking a quick look online at genetic abnormalities, here, you could simply declare that the presence of a Y chromosome makes a male. Not having one, a female. Because there are women who only have one X chromosome, and no Y.
A transgender person is a bit of a problem, because that person will still be chromosomally either a male (Y chromosome present) or female (no Y chromosome) but identifies with the other gender, and may well have had sex-reassignment surgery.
I have no idea how those people, if there are actually any of them competing at the Olympic level, should be dealt with.
hunter (24,664 posts)
10. That doesn't work at all.
There are XY women, for example...
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/swyer-syndrome
You answered your own question, ****tard.
There is XX and XY. Everything else is a physiological or psychological malformation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028098350
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I am glad I live in the normal human being world.
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Oh brother, so am I Carl. Who has time to sit around pondering this stuff?
Stinky says:
The only open issue is how to deal with Trans athletes. I'm honestly not sure about that, but would think they compete as the gender they self identify.
OK Great! Say I'm a tremendously powerful male athlete. I wanna gold. Tah Dah! I'm a chick today! I'll absolutely smoke em all, and clean up!
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Oh brother, so am I Carl.
Me three. All of us from upstate NY, away from the influence of the Left. :whistling:
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Oh brother, so am I Carl. Who has time to sit around pondering this stuff?
Or, an:
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