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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on August 02, 2016, 01:36:54 PM
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milestogo (531 posts)
Amazingly bad employment experience
I've been out of work for a couple of months and last week I accepted a position which started today.
My first appointment was with the HR person. She brought in a lot of paperwork for me to sign, most of which was really irrelevant to my position. Then came the employment contract. This was supposed to be a regular W-2 employee job.
I started reading it and the 4th paragraph stated that if an employee left the job for any reason in less than 2 years they would owe the company money. There was a specific formula that had to do with minimum wage and the length of time before 2 years - I don't remember the details. I was appalled.
I told the HR person that this was ridiculous and probably wouldn't hold up in court and that I would not sign the contract because of this clause. I didn't read any further than the 4th paragraph. She said OK, don't worry about it.
Then I was supposed to be trained by the operations manager. He told me that the job involves supporting 5 other businesses owned by the company president. There was no mention of this at the interview. He said that the company president has lots of unethical business practices and that he will ask me to do things that are unethical.
Then the VP came in and said I had to sign the contract or leave. I left.
I am still feeling kind of stunned. Has anyone ever heard of something like this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028069114
I bet you got a job at mcdonalds and refused to wear the hat.
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Smart employers have many tricks to rid themselves of bad hires.
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Employment is so overrated.
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Wow...it looks like that may actually be a thing. Someone in that DU thread posted a link to an article about a woman being sued for "retention pay". Here's the link.
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/buc-ees-demands-67k-back-from-ex-employee-because-she-left-8540676
Wow, and this is in an at-will state where the employer can fire you without cause. I don't understand how that can be legal. Then again, I am far from a lawyer...
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El Chapo is hiring??
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Wow...it looks like that may actually be a thing. Someone in that DU thread posted a link to an article about a woman being sued for "retention pay". Here's the link.
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/buc-ees-demands-67k-back-from-ex-employee-because-she-left-8540676
Wow, and this is in an at-will state where the employer can fire you without cause. I don't understand how that can be legal. Then again, I am far from a lawyer...
Hadn't heard of such a thing, but in the TX case it looks like it was laid out clearly in the contract, and there was mutual consideration - she got extra $$, and the company got an assurance that she would stay for a certain time period. Whether it's legal is a separate question.
Where the DU-member's post becomes thoroughly dubious, IMO, is with this:
Then I was supposed to be trained by the operations manager. He told me that the job involves supporting 5 other businesses owned by the company president. There was no mention of this at the interview. He said that the company president has lots of unethical business practices and that he will ask me to do things that are unethical.
The operations manager tells him the owner, "will ask me to do things that are unethical"? That's sounds pretty implausible. I've worked for a few equine rumps, but never one whose main manager said anything like that.
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snooper2 (27,814 posts)
25. sounds like a cool story, the "operations manager" told you the president was unethical
within your first couple hours being there...RIGHT LOL
Response to milestogo (Original post)
Tue Aug 2, 2016, 02:30 PM
unblock (27,737 posts)
8. wow! at least it was very helpful that your trainer was so candid!
i've had a number of sucky job experiences, but one that takes the cake in my book was when the ceo of a company i worked for in austin took me for a car ride just outside of austin city limits and then asked me not to hire any gay people.
this was back when austin was one of the very few places where that was illegal. of course, the business was located in austin, so actually doing the asking in round rock was not a defense in any way but the ceo was not too bright in that way.
aside from being heinous legally and ethically, it was stupid business. his company was in dire straights and if a gay employee could save him why the hell wouldn't he want that? why tie your own hands?
i wanted to quit that day but thought i better discuss it with my now-wife first. happily, she was proud of me, though we figured it was best logistically for me to clear out my desk over the weekend. then i came in monday morning just to tell him i quit.
Response to unblock (Reply #8)
Tue Aug 2, 2016, 02:33 PM
milestogo (544 posts)
11. Years ago I heard a VP say to the hiring manager
"Be sure and interview a few minorities". The implication was clearly to interview and not hire minorities. So at least part of the reason I got the job was for not being a minority.
The DUmmie at least did name a name, and the company does seem very shady. "Refinancing" and telemarketing.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/michael-eisenga-s-business-no-stranger-to-state-investigations/article_b25d054f-aeb2-54ab-8c52-b1b569cf68b3.html (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/michael-eisenga-s-business-no-stranger-to-state-investigations/article_b25d054f-aeb2-54ab-8c52-b1b569cf68b3.html)
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Once upon a time many lives ago I was out of work and pretty much desperate. I applied to a company that gave me a first interview, then brought me back for a second.
At the second interview, I toured the floor (and was not impressed by work conditions or supervisors), and sat down with HR. They told me, and presented a "contract", that they were going to spend $10k on my training. I had to stay for two years (to work off the cost of training). If I left early, they'd dock me (roughly) $415 for each month I had left to the 2 year mark.
Luckily, I got another job offer in my field and took it.
I never looked back.
I kinda believe this DUmmie. Lots of shady (usually very small) employers prey on the out of work and desperate. They're like another revenue producer for them and I say that from first hand experience.
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Once upon a time many lives ago I was out of work and pretty much desperate. I applied to a company that gave me a first interview, then brought me back for a second.
At the second interview, I toured the floor (and was not impressed by work conditions or supervisors), and sat down with HR. They told me, and presented a "contract", that they were going to spend $10k on my training. I had to stay for two years (to work off the cost of training). If I left early, they'd dock me (roughly) $415 for each month I had left to the 2 year mark.
Luckily, I got another job offer in my field and took it.
I never looked back.
I kinda believe this DUmmie. Lots of shady (usually very small) employers prey on the out of work and desperate. They're like another revenue producer for them and I say that from first hand experience.
Dummies lie. All the time dummies lie.
As for the training... I have been thru that. They give you formal training, you have to stay x number of time units or reimburse the employer on a pro rated basis. Pretty standard in some fields. The key here is formal training.
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Amazingly bad employment experience
Translation: --- My piss sample was soooo hot, it glowed in the dark.
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Employment is so overrated.
I know, right???
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Only 1 bouncy. He completely neglected to tell us the unethical business owner was a "Repuke" Sloppy!
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I bet you got a job at mcdonalds and refused to wear the hat.
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At the second interview, I toured the floor (and was not impressed by work conditions or supervisors), and sat down with HR. They told me, and presented a "contract", that they were going to spend $10k on my training. I had to stay for two years (to work off the cost of training). If I left early, they'd dock me (roughly) $415 for each month I had left to the 2 year mark.
Luckily, I got another job offer in my field and took it.
I never looked back.
I kinda believe this DUmmie. Lots of shady (usually very small) employers prey on the out of work and desperate. They're like another revenue producer for them and I say that from first hand experience.
I'm so glad you got another offer. I would never, ever consider such an arrangement. You just can't tell what you might be stepping into. I'm in the accounting world, and if you do something unethical, your goose is cooked. Nobody can predict the future, and I can't imagine having shackles on like that. What if you need to move away due to family circumstances, etc.?
I skimmed through the article about the company the DUmmie is talking about, and in this case, I believe him.
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Then I was supposed to be trained by the operations manager. He told me that the job involves supporting 5 other businesses owned by the company president. There was no mention of this at the interview. He said that the company president has lots of unethical business practices and that She will ask me to do things that are unethical.
Oh, so the DUmmy applied for a job at the Clinton Foundation, I gather...