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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tess Anderson on July 29, 2016, 05:26:20 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018884792
wonder if they've checked Tub's criminal record yet?:
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Star Member Tobin S. (8,941 posts)
Stress is tearing me up.
Ever since I lost that last job I haven't been able to sleep well and my digestive system is all messed up.
I wrote yesterday that the nerve-wracking part of my new job was over, but I learned today that's not the case. We started with a group of 13 new recruits in orientation. We are now down to 10. Two got the axe early, but one was canned late today. Then I was called to the office and I almost had a panic attack, but they just wanted some more information on a previous employer. Pressure! I can't think of anything that would disqualify me, but it's still got me feeling a lot of anxiety.
It's really a shame how many of the big companies in trucking hire truckers. They talk to a recruiter who has supposedly gone over their application with other people in HR and he or she basically says, "Come on down! Glad to have you aboard!" So these poor drivers, many of them young people who have never driven a truck before, get carted from all corners of the country to a trucking terminal where they are supposed to go through orientation. Some of them have quit other jobs to get on with the trucking company and may have ridden a couple of days on a bus to get there.
Then, guess what? That's when the trucking company really starts checking them out. No, not before they quit their jobs and hopped on a bus to travel far away from home. They get them to orientation and THEN they check out their work histories, qualifications, driving records, criminal records, and so forth. All of which it seems reasonable to assume they could have checked out before bringing them in. I've been to enough trucker orientations to know that at least a few are going to get sent home jobless, discouraged, and depressed. I remember the first one I attended. We started as a group of 19 but only ten of us actually ended up getting hired.
Okay, I'm done bitching and I feel better now. I made it through today and tomorrow is supposed to be hire day. We'll see how it goes.
no update for today so far
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Has Tobin ever explained what he was doing, when he was trespassing that one night down in Georgia? Meaning to be a peeping Tom, or meaning to burglarize some place, or meaning to elope with somebody's daughter?
But the sheriff caught him, and jailed him.
Confession's good for the soul; I suggest Tobin tell what the devil he was doing, that one night down there in Georgia.
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What he hell is this, a Bizarro version of a Reality show named "Undercover Unemployable?"
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For those of us that have changed jobs a time or two, one generally knows if you are getting the job or not. Of course, it depends on how the job market is.
Sounds as if Tobin already knows he won't get hired. If any of this is true to begin with.
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That doesn't sound like the home every night, high paying, local delivery job that he originally described. Those jobs go to the experienced drivers that have been with the company for years. It sounds more like an OTR driver mill that relies on hiring brand new drivers or drivers with a sketchy history. Starting out as a new company driver he'll be lucky if he's home two weekends a month.
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Whine, whine, whine! Welcome to reality!
Here's how it works in my industry, electronics (I've been on both sides of the "table"):
* An ad gets posted (newspaper, job boards, recruiters);
* Resumes' flood in, 90% (or more) of them totally unqualified for the position, which get tossed;
* Candidates are brought in for the first round of screening (I've given and been given brief, super basic, electronics tests), which screens out more who are unqualified, and identifies those with potential;
* The small group with potential are called back and interviewed in greater depth, often by several people (managers, peers, people with whom they will work);
* There may be a third round, for the 2 or 3 who are the best candidates;
* Relevant staff and manager(s) meet and decide who will be hired.
Depending on the position, the number of candidates, the timing of when candidates submit their resumes', and the availability of people doing the interviews, the process could extend over 6 or 7 weeks. That means that some one who sent their resume' at the beginning of the process and was interviewed early may spend 2 or 3 or 4 weeks "on hold" while others are interviewed. To be sure, being in that position is not fun, but that is the reality - i.e. normal - of the process.
Whining about the process in a pretty much public place like DU is imprudent.
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What he hell is this, a Bizarro version of a Reality show named "Undercover Unemployable?"
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Sound like a multi-month set up for sympathy.
Okay, I'm done bitching and I feel better now. I made it through today and tomorrow is supposed to be hire day. We'll see how it goes.
4 to 3 against.
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Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Star Member Tobin S. (8,941 posts)
Stress is tearing me up.
Ever since I lost that last job I haven't been able to sleep well and my digestive system is all messed up.
I wrote yesterday that the nerve-wracking part of my new job was over, but I learned today that's not the case. We started with a group of 13 new recruits in orientation. We are now down to 10. Two got the axe early, but one was canned late today. Then I was called to the office and I almost had a panic attack, but they just wanted some more information on a previous employer. Pressure! I can't think of anything that would disqualify me, but it's still got me feeling a lot of anxiety.
It's really a shame how many of the big companies in trucking hire truckers. They talk to a recruiter who has supposedly gone over their application with other people in HR and he or she basically says, "Come on down! Glad to have you aboard!" So these poor drivers, many of them young people who have never driven a truck before, get carted from all corners of the country to a trucking terminal where they are supposed to go through orientation. Some of them have quit other jobs to get on with the trucking company and may have ridden a couple of days on a bus to get there.
Then, guess what? That's when the trucking company really starts checking them out. No, not before they quit their jobs and hopped on a bus to travel far away from home. They get them to orientation and THEN they check out their work histories, qualifications, driving records, criminal records, and so forth. All of which it seems reasonable to assume they could have checked out before bringing them in. I've been to enough trucker orientations to know that at least a few are going to get sent home jobless, discouraged, and depressed. I remember the first one I attended. We started as a group of 19 but only ten of us actually ended up getting hired.
Okay, I'm done bitching and I feel better now. I made it through today and tomorrow is supposed to be hire day. We'll see how it goes.
Tubbs, Tubbs, Tubbs. SMH. Your work history isn't really good in my book. You got out of your previous, previous job before they canned you. Then the next place canned your ass a couple weeks in. If you was such a good employee I bet the first place would have liked to have you back... but face it. You are NOT a good employee.
Give you some advice my granddad gave me after 4 consecutive girlfriends dumped me in a row when I was a young man. He said: "Son, the problem is not with the sweeties, the problem is with YOU!!! You can either change your ways or learn how to play with yourself in the closet. Don't matter to me... you the one with problem dumbass."
So in your case change that to employers and you got the problem nailed.
5 cents please... dumbass.
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Has Tobin ever explained what he was doing, when he was trespassing that one night down in Georgia? Meaning to be a peeping Tom, or meaning to burglarize some place, or meaning to elope with somebody's daughter?
But the sheriff caught him, and jailed him.
Confession's good for the soul; I suggest Tobin tell what the devil he was doing, that one night down there in Georgia.
I haven't heard that story. That must have been when he was with Occupy Savannah. I was wondering what he was doing in my neck of the woods.
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Then, guess what? That's when the trucking company really starts checking them out. No, not before they quit their jobs and hopped on a bus to travel far away from home. They get them to orientation and THEN they check out their work histories, qualifications, driving records, criminal records, and so forth. All of which it seems reasonable to assume they could have checked out before bringing them in.
Guess what stupid,those checks cost money so no reason to do it before a person is standing in front of them.
Retard.
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Guess what stupid,those checks cost money so no reason to do it before a person is standing in front of them.
Retard.
This site gives typical prices for background checks with varying scope (i.e. local, state, national) and depth. (https://www.criminalwatchdog.com/faq/how-much-does-background-check-cost). A trucking company would probably want both national and relevant local, which would be ~$40-$70 per applicant. So there's no way in Hades a trucking company is going to do background checks until they've weeded out as many flakes and and unqualified applicants as reasonably possible. Just as the company isn't going to spring for a drug screen test until they know who they want (and maybe have an alternate or two, just in case their pick fails).
But Tobers isn't thinking about the process as a logical process. He's thinking, "I am owed!" And whining at being inconvenienced.
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Whine, whine, whine! Welcome to reality!
Here's how it works in my industry, electronics (I've been on both sides of the "table"):
* An ad gets posted (newspaper, job boards, recruiters);
* Resumes' flood in, 90% (or more) of them totally unqualified for the position, which get tossed;
* Candidates are brought in for the first round of screening (I've given and been given brief, super basic, electronics tests), which screens out more who are unqualified, and identifies those with potential;
* The small group with potential are called back and interviewed in greater depth, often by several people (managers, peers, people with whom they will work);
* There may be a third round, for the 2 or 3 who are the best candidates;
* Relevant staff and manager(s) meet and decide who will be hired.
Depending on the position, the number of candidates, the timing of when candidates submit their resumes', and the availability of people doing the interviews, the process could extend over 6 or 7 weeks. That means that some one who sent their resume' at the beginning of the process and was interviewed early may spend 2 or 3 or 4 weeks "on hold" while others are interviewed. To be sure, being in that position is not fun, but that is the reality - i.e. normal - of the process.
Whining about the process in a pretty much public place like DU is imprudent.
Correct. One job I had back in the 90's took four months and four interviews. I was told close to 400 resumes were received. Throw out the obvious ones that don't fit and start interviewing. They asked me one question in particular that I couldn't answer because there wasn't enough information to make a decision. That's what I told them and that was the answer they wanted to hear. (It was for a telecom analyst position - you aren't a very good analyst if you make snap decisions without all the info). Everyone else answered definitively what they would have done.
Another job I got in Jax in 2011 also took several months and I was out of work at the time. Talk about sitting on pins and needles.
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Correct. One job I had back in the 90's took four months and four interviews. I was told close to 400 resumes were received. Throw out the obvious ones that don't fit and start interviewing. They asked me one question in particular that I couldn't answer because there wasn't enough information to make a decision. That's what I told them and that was the answer they wanted to hear. (It was for a telecom analyst position - you aren't a very good analyst if you make snap decisions without all the info). Everyone else answered definitively what they would have done.
Another job I got in Jax in 2011 also took several months and I was out of work at the time. Talk about sitting on pins and needles.
It doesn't surprise me that the process for a higher level person in a very specialized field - or a senior manglement person - might take 3-6 months. People with that kind of skills and experience don't grow on trees.
The time I was on the other side of the table I remember getting over 100 resumes' for an intermediate technician position. It was working with power supplies, 120VAC and 240VAC input voltages, and a variety of output voltages (semi-custom, modular, 5V-144V, 2.1A-240A). Out of those >>100 resumes' most were automated test equipment operators, who connected what was being tested to the ATE, pushed a few buttons, and disconnected the units when done. There was no way in Hades I wanted an inexperienced idiot working at the bench next to mine! We brought in 10-15 for the idiot screen test, and just 2-4 made it to the point of being considered for hire. As it turned out, one of our techs got canned a bit later, so we hired the top two.
A months-long layoff and active job search is miserable! My longest was 8 1/2 months, with 2 1/2 months notice - 11 months of active search - in 2001-2002 (Dot-Bomb!). UEI was only 6 months back then, and even though I'd never taken UEI in 25 years in my industry, I still hated taking it. I've also had a couple of jobs where I was such a drop-in fit that I interviewed one day and had an offer (plus or minus a drug test) the next.
I do hope Tobers finds "gainful employment", if only so he isn't supported by taxpayers. It sounds like his employment record - short stays at various companies - may be a negative. If the fact that he was fired came out in his interviews or in checking with his previous employer, that probably wasn't a good thing. And if this prospective employer discovered that Tobers ran down his employers - while working there - in an Internet discussion forum (or FB), as I said above, that was very imprudent (and employers in at least some fields do look into such things, for a variety of reasons).
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Rut-Ro: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018885002 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018885002)
The job opportunity that looked so promising has vanished. They gave me a conditional offer of employment and had me attend orientation only to disqualify me at the end of the last day with no explanation. If I want to know that I have to send them a letter requesting the information.
I got a call from the unemployment bureau earlier today and it sounds like they are going to try to deny me benefits. The employer that fired me claimed that I was being let go because of poor job performance at the time. When the unemployment bureau contacted them about my claim they said that I was insubordinate. I don't know why that makes a difference, but apparently it does. So the employer is trying to lie about why they got rid of me in order to try to keep from paying out the unemployment benefit. The jerk at the bureau said I wasn't credible, but I've been consistent in my story the whole time and I've told them the truth.
My wife was just in the bathroom puking her guts out over all this.
If you were wondering about the cryptic post I left before this it is based on what happened to me today.
It looks like Tobers' attitude and actions bit him twice: being fired for cause leading to the UEI denial; his firing and/or habit of crapping on his employer online (It's practically Rule 1 for having a career not to burn bridges that don't need to be burnt!) may have lead to not being hired.
The UEI denial was predicted by others here a couple of weeks ago.
Sadly, but bluntly, not being hired is not a surprise to me (or many others here).
Actions have consequences. Saying this with absolutely zero mockery or schadenfreude, I doubt Tobers has it within him to acknowledge how his actions have brought him to this pass, let alone work on changing the attitudes underlying those actions.
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Actions have consequences. Saying this with absolutely zero mockery or schadenfreude, I doubt Tobers has it within him to acknowledge how his actions have brought him to this pass, let alone work on changing the attitudes underlying those actions.
I would think that would have happened, 10-15, firings ago.
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When the unemployment bureau contacted them about my claim they said that I was insubordinate.
You admitted it doofus.
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=108283.0
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018879795
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:04 PM
Star Member Tobin S. (8,822 posts)
I just got fired.
I was totally blind-sided by it. Never even had a clue it was coming.
I've been working a job for a little less than three months. I liked it and had planned on making a career out of it. Today I got paired with a guy I've been filling in for. He supposedly has a bad wrist and is on light duty. I've been doing the job without him for the past two months and everything has been getting done. I've heard no complaints.
Well this guy really starts cracking the whip and trying to get me to do all sorts of things that other people in that position don't have to do. He's not my boss. He's on the same level as me. We are just regular employees. I tell him that if the boss wants me to do that stuff he needs to tell me.
So this little shit goes off and calls the boss and the human resources manager at home and I don't know what he told them. They come in and call me into a meeting. They told me that they've gotten word that I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing not only with the little shit who called them, but in other areas as well. They tell me that a guy who works inside says I'm lazy and I don't work well with him. This guy has never said a thing to me about it and I've always done what he's asked. But he's been going to HR frequently it seems and telling them all kinds of lies about me.
I tried to give them my side of the story, but I think the fix has been in for quite some time here and they didn't believe a word I said.
What has happened is that one person decided they didn't like me for some reason unknown to me, and since I was in my probationary period they decided to go on a little campaign. I had a hard time not having legal problems due to that person today. I stormed out of the office cussing up a storm. I could have gone one way and beat the living shit out of somebody or I could have gone the other and cleared out my locker. Fortunately probably for a lot of people, I chose the locker.
I wrote on here the other day that I think a majority of Americans are bat chit crazy. This only affirms that belief in my mind. It takes a total lack of the capacity for empathy to do what they did to me there today.
That is if any of this ongoing saga actually has happened and tubby isn`t just making up a story while in an adult day care facility.
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You admitted it doofus.
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=108283.0
That is if any of this ongoing saga actually has happened and tubby isn`t just making up a story while in an adult day care facility.
I don't know in what kind of world Tobers thinks he lives, but evidently it's one in which the connection between actions and consequences is tenuous or non-existent.
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Tobin laments on the lack of empathy in America. People are people, there are good and bad everywhere. But looking for comfort among those who are in a state of constant anger is a fools errand.
As far as the DUmmies go Tobin isn't as totally useless as most. He did go to school PT and received a AA degree. That degree though is basically a general education degree and by itself really isn't worth much. As an adult that takes college classes for personal enrichment myself, I know how difficult it is to go to school and work at the same time.
But alas, not all college degrees are created equal. Having earned 39 undergrad credits to date in 9 semesters, only 3 of those credits are not in math or science when I took a college level English comp class.
A comparison between the student attitude is interesting, in chemistry, for example, the serious students are nose to the grindstone with faces planted in the textbook and class notes. By comparison many (not all) of the English class students spent a lot of class time expressing a large degree of pure drama. We had to do a research paper for 20% of the course grade. One of the students wrote her paper on why parents should allow their kids to get tattoo's. Another wrote about the (truly) horrible effects of being abused as a child by a neighbor and used her personal experience from age 18 months to 2 years of age, complete with graphic details direct from memory as the data to make her case. Bad as it is, what adult remembers any details from any event from age 5 years let alone age 2? And who would base their thesis subject on the details of an event that they have no possible way of remembering?
I should point out that the professor made a gallant effort to talk those students out of their thesis subject but lost the argument. He made it very clear that grades would be based on use of verifiable research data, organization and the ability to make the case as well as using rules of grammar and not sympathy for the cause.
Anyway, credit due where it is deserved but Tobin needs to stop talking about being honest and start actually being honest. He needs to get his act together instead of talking about getting his act together. He needs to look at where he is in the labor market and take actual steps to improve his standing in the market.
If he has (and we all can see that he does) self-inflicted health problems then he needs to address them now. If he has a self-imposed less than a stellar criminal history he needs to be honest and deal with that now. If he has holes in his formal education and his goals require further education then he needs to get cracking on that now. But what he really needs to do is realize that he needs to advocate for himself and lose the fake friends he thinks he has on stupid web forums and spend that time on a bit of self improvement. But misery loves company and he has a lot of company at the DUmp.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018884792
wonder if they've checked Tub's criminal record yet?:
no update for today so far
Sounds to me like they've already sent him packing and he's setting up for the "it's not my fault" post. I guess that sleeping on the job think that got him fired is going to be following him around for a while. Damn those non-union shops. Like it's not bad enough that they expect you to show up every day and on time... then the bastards want you to actually do something when you get there!
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Sounds to me like they've already sent him packing and he's setting up for the "it's not my fault" post. I guess that sleeping on the job think that got him fired is going to be following him around for a while. Damn those non-union shops. Like it's not bad enough that they expect you to show up every day and on time... then the bastards want you to actually do something when you get there!
That's my biggest complaint. They pay me and expect me to be on time. Then, once I get there, they give me stuff to do and expect me to do it in return for the pay they give me. It's a vicious cycle I tell you.
Damn the system. Long live "GibsUDat" Bernie.
:yahoo: :panic: :hyper:
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Yep, he must have received bad news yesterday - he's made two OPs in the lounge but he deleted both:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018884995
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018885002
Still, sounds like he was sent out the door:
Response to cwydro (Reply #17)Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:57 PM
Star Member Tobin S. (8,950 posts)
19. I don't think that was the problem.
Besides, I wasn't cussing at anyone or calling anyone names.
They were having trouble verifying my employment with a company and I didn't find that out until the end of the day yesterday. I think it might have something to do with that. I could have helped them out in that regard if they had asked me.
he's told not to post this kind of info, but it's a little too late for that.
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This guy is full of crapola! With the current driver shortage, huge companies like Swift and Schneider will hire anyone with a pulse. Smaller companies or ones with tighter hiring standards will still let people in and work on verifying the employment later on. The biggest things that get you walked out of orientation are failing to disclose previous accidents and having a hot drug test. Lots of companies are going to hair follicle tests and that's snagging a good number of people. Once DOT goes to hair tests across the board, you will see dummies like Tobin dropping like flies from the industry.
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This guy is full of crapola! With the current driver shortage, huge companies like Swift and Schneider will hire anyone with a pulse. Smaller companies or ones with tighter hiring standards will still let people in and work on verifying the employment later on. The biggest things that get you walked out of orientation are failing to disclose previous accidents and having a hot drug test. Lots of companies are going to hair follicle tests and that's snagging a good number of people. Once DOT goes to hair tests across the board, you will see dummies like Tobin dropping like flies from the industry.
H-5! It's helpful to hear from some one who knows the industry. On another site I mentioned the possibility that he had failed the drug test, either due to his prescription meds or possibly due self-supplementation.
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>I haven't been able to sleep well and my digestive system is all messed up.
That can happen when you are up all night getting protein injections in your anus by fellow democrat party injectors.
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Then, guess what? That's when the trucking company really starts checking them out. No, not before they quit their jobs and hopped on a bus to travel far away from home. They get them to orientation and THEN they check out their work histories, qualifications, driving records, criminal records, and so forth. All of which it seems reasonable to assume they could have checked out before bringing them in
Makes it sound like he's applying for SEAL Team 6
THEN they check out their work histories, qualifications, driving records, criminal records, and so forth.
Heh .......... you're ****ed, Fat ass. Oh, and before I get there, hold the pickles.
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Oh yeah...another reason why they don't start checking them out seriously until they get to orientation is because at times 5-10% of these "drivers" don't even show up. They even call and email that they are on the bus and at the hotel when we know they haven't even checked in. No reason to spend hard earned money when they don't have the decency to show up.
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Oh yeah...another reason why they don't start checking them out seriously until they get to orientation is because at times 5-10% of these "drivers" don't even show up. They even call and email that they are on the bus and at the hotel when we know they haven't even checked in. No reason to spend hard earned money when they don't have the decency to show up.
Tobers doesn't care about the cost of giving him that to which he is entitled.
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Fired at his new job for being insubordinate? Sounds like someone couldn't wait until he was off probation before trying to unionize the shop. ::)