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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Patriot Guard Rider on July 09, 2016, 03:17:41 PM
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I know people mean well when they talk about being extra careful around cops etc.
but black people don't get shot because of carelessness or rudeness or whatever.
they get shot because they are black and because cops have no accountability whatsoever.
so asking black people to be careful, does not in any way really help them, since they have never been the real problem.
Racism, lack of accountability, powerful people closing ranks, prosecutors who need to remain on good terms with police departments, those issues are the problem.
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
15. Any time, ANYONE is stopped by the police, the following etiquette should be observed:
1) Be polite
2) Keep your hands at the 10 and 2 position on the steering wheel unless otherwise instructed
3) Answer questions with "Yes sir", "No sir", "Yes ma'am", "No, ma'am"
4) This varies state to state. If the state you're stopped in requires you to inform the officer you have a firearm, do so. Tell the officer where the firearm is but DO NOT move your hands from the steering wheel. If the state does not require you to inform the officer, answer honestly if he/she asks. IF the firearm is in the center console and the officer asks for documentation and your wallet is in your right back pocket (for women the purse is on the passenger seat), inform the officer the firearm is in the center console and you have to move your arm in that direction to get what he/she is asking for. Let them decide what you need to do.
5) Provide all required documentation. Insurance, license, ccw permit if you have one, registration
6) BE POLITE and DON'T argue.
7) Most (not all) confrontations begin when the subject of the traffic stop adopts an attitude (which only escalates the confrontation). Resist this urge. (See numbers 1 and 6).
Anyone, white, black, brown, yellow, red or whatever, that follows these rules, the chances of you getting shot by cop is next to zero.
That's my experience. YMMV.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #15)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:48 PM
Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (50,825 posts)
17. Are you a black person? Or a person of color?
Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #17)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:52 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
18. Why does that matter?
I wasn't relaying anything personal that happened to me, just rules to obey during a traffic stop.
It's all about being polite and following instructions. Look upthread for a video.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #18)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:55 PM
Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (50,825 posts)
20. Because you are generalizing from your own experiences to that of others
So I'm wondering if your experiences with cops is actually relevant.
Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #20)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:58 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
22. I'm not generalizing anything from my experience
I've never been stopped by the police in my life but I drive like an old fart and obey traffic laws.
I simply relayed rules to follow to avoid a violent confrontation during a traffic stop.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #22)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:15 PM
Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (50,825 posts)
28. The fact that you wrote this applied to all races
Is generalizing
Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #28)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:23 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
37. Oh jumpin Jesus
I'm trying to help people if they should get stopped by the police on how to act, and all I'm getting is an argument.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #37)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:25 PM
Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (50,825 posts)
40. You're not helping, all you're doing is pretending to help
By placing blame on victims
Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #40)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:28 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
43. With all due respect
I'm trying to help people get out of a situation should they find themselves in one, and all I get is an argument.
I'm not placing blame on anyone. If, however, people develop an attitude, argue, and refuse to comply with officers instructions, well, that's on them. What happens, happens.
I don't care one way or the other.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #43)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:50 PM
arcane1 (38,534 posts)
53. What happens, happens. Obey the government or die.
God bless America.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #22)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:17 PM
Star Member CreekDog (45,419 posts)
30. You've never been stopped by the police in your life --You are white!
Response to CreekDog (Reply #30)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:21 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
35. My skin color doesn't matter
I obey the law, don't speed, stop at stop signs, don't drive with lights out (headlight or tail light). I give them no reason to stop me. IF they did, however, I'd obey my rules.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #35)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:24 PM
Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (50,825 posts)
38. And you wouldn't get killed because your color protects you
In a way that it didn't protect Tamir rice or many other black kids.
Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #38)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:26 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
41. Tamir Rice was a tragedy and I don't deny it
I don't know all the facts and won't comment further.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #41)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:36 PM
Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (50,825 posts)
47. Lol. You shouldn't have made uninformed dumb comments in the first place
Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #38)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:30 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
45. Oh jeez, I give up.
Have your thread and your guilt.
I don't care.
Act as you will during a traffic stop.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #45)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:37 PM
Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (50,825 posts)
48. What guilt?
Response to shadowrider (Reply #35)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:27 PM
Star Member CreekDog (45,419 posts)
42. "My skin color doesn't matter" --YOU ARE WHITE
It's alright, I'm white too. We tend to think it's all equal out there because skin color is typically not an issue that works against us.
Response to CreekDog (Reply #42)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:29 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
44. Says Creekdog with no proof whatsoever
other than I've never been stopped by the police.
Good gumshoe work there. It'd stand up in court.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #44)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:35 PM
Star Member CreekDog (45,419 posts)
46. You're white. Quit acting like it's classified information.
get over yourself. it's relevant to the topic the OP started.
give people a little credit.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #22)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:49 PM
arcane1 (38,534 posts)
52. You literally said "That's my experience" in your list of rules.
And it assumes the cop is ALWAYS well-behaved and well-intentioned from the start.
Some people get shot by the police before even getting to step 1 in your list.
Which of those rules did Tamir Rice break?
Response to shadowrider (Reply #18)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:16 PM
Star Member CreekDog (45,419 posts)
29. You called them "rules"? What public body adopted these and where can we see them codified?
Response to CreekDog (Reply #29)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:20 PM
Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
33. It's up to you whether or not you follow them on a traffic stop.
Argue with the police if you want, develop an attitude if you want. Personally, I don't care either way whether you go to jail or not. None of my concern.
But if you want to significantly reduce your chances of something bad happening, they should be followed.
These rules were taught to me when I took my conceal carry class many lifetimes ago.
Response to shadowrider (Reply #33)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:38 PM
Star Member CreekDog (45,419 posts)
49. You keep using that word "rules" --they aren't RULES.
if they were rules, people have to follow them.
they would be codified.
you lose. bad post. you're just blah blah blah blah blah white person says this is how to have a good interaction with the police.
and then the people who aren't white thank you profusely for explaining this to them because because how on earth could they think of the "rules" that you wrote without your help?
i also know you're white because you think that what you have to say is valuable here because you thought of it.
Response to CreekDog (Reply #49)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:54 PM
arcane1 (38,534 posts)
54. It's victim-blaming at its worst, and assumes the government is ALWAYS right and polite.
And ignores the countless times when a white person breaks every one of those rules and manages to avoid getting killed.
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DUmmies will be dummies.
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The very best outcome of being an ass with police is having a bigger dent in your wallet.
The very worst is TNBing and you get shot.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU[/youtube]
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Black people don't need to exercise common sense during encounters with law enforcement, they are protected by black privilege:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuEIU0pded0[/youtube]
I'm a white guy and if I told a cop to suck my d**k, I'd be spitting teeth.
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/6359290087516302621361590738_635831216377741650365243004_Got%20privilege-_zps1hlf0cyh.jpg) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/6359290087516302621361590738_635831216377741650365243004_Got%20privilege-_zps1hlf0cyh.jpg.html)
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Star Member CreekDog (45,419 posts)
29. You called them "rules"? What public body adopted these and where can we see them codified?
Common Sense Rules can still be called rules without being written down and signed into law.
OTOH, most liberals have only a passing relationship with common sense, and DUmmies have less.
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confrontations begin when the subject of the traffic stop adopts an attitude
That would be my bet.
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Nothing she says can take the image of her filthy kitchen out of my mind.
Clean it, bitch. Then make me a sandwich.
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Common Sense Rules can still be called rules without being written down and signed into law.
OTOH, most liberals have only a passing relationship with common sense, and DUmmies have less.
Hi5 for sayimg what I wanted to say. It's apparent that the DUches have never read the definition of 'common law':
http://thelawdictionary.org/common-law/ (http://thelawdictionary.org/common-law/)
Specifically...
it is a body of rules and principles, written or unwritten, which are of fixed and immutable authority, and which must be applied to controversies rigorously and in their entirety, and cannot be modified to suit the peculiarities of a specific case, or colored by any judicial discretion, and which rests confessedly upon custom or statute, as distinguished from any claim to ethical superiority.
Just because it has never been written in law, does not mean it does not have legal bearing. And its obvious these DUches have never heard of the 'Big four' rules of gun safety:
1. Treat every weapon as if it was loaded.
2. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch (Keep your finger off the trigger until on target and the weapon is off safe.)
3. Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy.
4. Know your target: know what's in front of, around, and behind it.
Violate one of those four 'rules' creekdog DUche, it will be a BAD DAY.
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Star Member shadowrider (4,807 posts)
37. Oh jumpin Jesus
I'm trying to help people if they should get stopped by the police on how to act, and all I'm getting is an argument.
Don't you know where you are?
arcane1 (38,534 posts)
(.....)
and assumes the government is ALWAYS right and polite.
Blasphemer. Your god is always right. :whistling:
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If I need expert advice on the reasons black people are sometimes shot by cops, the first person I'd ask is a short, overweight, unclean, lesbian from India.
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If I need expert advice on the reasons black people are sometimes shot by cops, the first person I'd ask is a short, overweight, unclean, lesbian from India.
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Me too! I mean, who would know better? :tongue: :whistling: :whatever: ::)
H5, BTW!
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Posting common sense among fools is a lose-lose-lose proposition:
* The one posting the common sense gets called out for "blaming the victim";
* The fools do not become wiser;
* The likelihood of the fools themselves becoming "victims" is increased.
Admittedly, that last "lose" could be considered a Darwin-Award-grade "win".