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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on June 30, 2016, 09:08:53 AM
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Star Member Yavin4 (22,490 posts)
It was not factory jobs that created the great American middle class
It was a combination of:
1. Government intervention into the management of companies that forced them to collectively bargain with workers.
2. Labor laws e.g.the 40 hour work week and OT pay
3. Lack of foreign competition
4. Discrimination against African Americans and Women which limited competition for White men and raised their wages
5. Fear of the spread of Soviet communism for which a large middle class would act as a buffer
None of these things would return if we brought back every factory job in the world onto American shores. If that were to happen, you would have to pay American workers the same wage as the factory workers in other nations. Otherwise, these companies would not be able to compete. For example, if Apple made every product in the U.S., they would have to pay their factory workers the same as Samsung or go out of business.
Folks, globalization is here whether you like it or not. There's nothing that a president can do.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027968367
More government. I get it. :whatever:
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And now, a special message for the yavin4 primitive:
OK, DUmbshit. Put on your thinking cap and ponder this:
Would those people have been in the "middle class" without the jobs? Would all of that government ****ery have made them prosper (or even comfortable) all by itself?
No, and no.
So, **** you.
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It wasn`t food stamps and EBT cards either.
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No jobs, nothing to regulate or unionize. OTOH, government and unions now seem bent on regulating and driving those jobs back into non-existence.
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None of these things would return if we brought back every factory job in the world onto American shores. If that were to happen, you would have to pay American workers the same wage as the factory workers in other nations.
You mean like the same wages as paid in China, Thailand, Vietnam and India? Let's bring back the factory jobs...
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It's not just the wages keeping jobs out and more leaving, it's the government regulations and taxes. :banghead:
Illinois raised corporate taxes several years ago and companies that can't get a tax break are shipping jobs out of state.
Add in the fact that what an employer has to pay the state for workman's comp insurance and unemployment insurance compared to neighboring states, you have a recipe for a bankrupted state.
Oh, and then toss in Chicago democrats unwillingness to pass a balanced budget that doesn't include another huge tax increase and a bailout for Chicago.
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It's not just the wages keeping jobs out and more leaving, it's the government regulations and taxes. :banghead:
Illinois raised corporate taxes several years ago and companies that can't get a tax break are shipping jobs out of state.
Add in the fact that what an employer has to pay the state for workman's comp insurance and unemployment insurance compared to neighboring states, you have a recipe for a bankrupted state.
Oh, and then toss in Chicago democrats unwillingness to pass a balanced budget that doesn't include another huge tax increase and a bailout for Chicago.
Exactly!!! Cut out the 1 trillion (estimated) in welfare and the tax rates (costs) go way down. Cut out the government red tape and those costs go down. Put senators back to representing state governments instead of the people and both of those issues go away. Enact the fair tax. Do those things and watch manufactoring come back to the US.
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The DUchebags truly are DUlusional.
Henry Ford created the middle class. That is a fact.
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The DUchebags truly are DUlusional.
Henry Ford created the middle class. That is a fact.
Henry Ford created a market for his product. Then he got free advertising as they drove around town in his product. When someone would ask the driver about it, chances are it was a Ford employee, they talked it up, which increased demand which increased market share.
Henry Ford was a marketing genius for his time. :cheersmate:
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The first two were, essentially, done by Henry Ford. Not Unions, asswipe. The second two are Marxist bromides that do not jive with history.
Why are you so stupid? Is it intentional?
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I shoulld have read first :-) ............ :
Quote from: jukin on June 30, 2016, 06:38:35 PM
The DUchebags truly are DUlusional.
Henry Ford created the middle class. That is a fact.
:cheersmate: Yes!!
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None of these things would return if we brought back every factory job in the world onto American shores. If that were to happen, you would have to pay American workers the same wage as the factory workers in other nations. Otherwise, these companies would not be able to compete. For example, if Apple made every product in the U.S., they would have to pay their factory workers the same as Samsung or go out of business.
Is this a "Y4" character a low-grade mole or a startlingly ignorant moron? Does (s)he believe Apple, HP, and Dell are so inept that they have to have their products in low-pay countries while competitors like Samsung build in high-wage places?! They all build their base model computers in the same countries, often in the same cities or even the same contract manufacturers' factories! If further configuring is needed, that is done at screwdriver plants in the US (specifically, Elk Grove, CA) or EuroLand. That's been the case for 20 or 30 years!
I suspect that moron has not walked the hallowed halls of Apple or HP. I have, as tech support for one of their vendors - a power supply company that sold its products to Apple, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc..