Post by: CC27 on June 24, 2016, 01:59:15 PM
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Star Member Stinky The Clown (54,011 posts)
Brexit vote to Leave is the end result of stupid people voting
They are stupid because they do not get any real information from their version of the Fourth Estate.
This same phenomenon can EASILY happen here. Indeed it HAS happened here. Our current US House and Senate are testimony to the power of the stupid.
First and foremost I blame the media.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027950283
Power of the stupid resides at the DUmp.
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on June 24, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
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First and foremost I blame the media.
:rofl:
Our current US House and Senate are in spite of the media, you infant.
Post by: franksolich on June 24, 2016, 02:10:20 PM
The sparkling old dude's finally gone over the edge.
One wonders what caused that.
Post by: SVPete on June 24, 2016, 02:14:19 PM
Oh my God.
The sparkling old dude's finally gone over the edge.
One wonders what caused that.
Because Brits rejected so much that STC loves and embraces - bloated, bureaucratic, etc., governance.
Post by: franksolich on June 24, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Because Brits rejected so much that STC loves and embraces - bloated, bureaucratic, etc., governance.
No, no, I'm wondering if some sort of syphillic or gonorrheal condition that the sparkling old dude left untreated many years ago finally caught up with him.
It's true, very true, that untreated sexually-transmitted diseases cause derangement.
Post by: jukin on June 24, 2016, 02:40:07 PM
Post by: GOBUCKS on June 24, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
The internet-influenced underclass morons who voted to leave the EU thought they were doing something to spite the "elite".
The "elite" will lose some business and some income, but far more in the ignorant underclass will lose everything.
Good.
They're no different from the underclass morons here who will vote this fall to destroy NATO and American world trade.
Hopefully enough people will recognize this British catastrophe, and avoid a similar tragedy here.
Post by: Karin on June 24, 2016, 03:39:02 PM
Post by: jukin on June 24, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
The internet-influenced underclass morons who voted to leave the EU thought they were doing something to spite the "elite".
The "elite" will lose some business and some income, but far more in the ignorant underclass will lose everything.
Hate to disagree but the internet-influenced morons, the millennials, were big remain supporters. It was the older people that voted to leave. As to the elites, they will lose years of their work and tens of billions as the eu implodes. If the elites would not lose much they would not have fought so hard.
Post by: USA4ME on June 24, 2016, 04:14:13 PM
And you really have to be a poor student of economics not to see that this bump in the road will turn out to not be much of a bump at all when all is said and done. Europe being united as an economy isn't necessary. It was an experiment that the people in Britain decided they didn't really like. It's just people finally standing up and saying they've had enough of pols thinking only of themselves. Meh.
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Post by: fatboy on June 24, 2016, 05:28:40 PM
Post by: miskie on June 24, 2016, 05:40:33 PM
Post by: landofconfusion80 on June 24, 2016, 06:08:46 PM
[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I98KeKV_F9g[/youtube]
Post by: I_B_Perky on June 24, 2016, 06:19:42 PM
Mike the clown is partially right.
The internet-influenced underclass morons who voted to leave the EU thought they were doing something to spite the "elite".
The "elite" will lose some business and some income, but far more in the ignorant underclass will lose everything.
Good.
They're no different from the underclass morons here who will vote this fall to destroy NATO and American world trade.
Hopefully enough people will recognize this British catastrophe, and avoid a similar tragedy here.
I don't get where you are coming from GB. The UK and Germany are pretty much carrying the EU. It would make sense for the UK to jettison the ugly sisters like Greece. I'm surprised Germany hasn't pushed to do the same.
Yes there are benefits to the EU. I just don't see it for the UK and Germany. Might be different if it was more of a free trade pact than a single currency. That is what it started out to be. I personally think the weak sisters need to fail like Venezueala. That will change their attitudes real quick about socialism.
Care to explain in a little more detail? I am really interested in your opinion as why this is a complete tragedy. :cheersmate:
Post by: I_B_Perky on June 24, 2016, 06:20:43 PM
I have finally figured out the answer to a question that has been bugging me for as long as I have been a member of this discussion board.
Care to elaborate? You got me curious. :cheersmate:
Post by: Delmar on June 24, 2016, 06:21:31 PM
Hate to disagree but the internet-influenced morons, the millennials, were big remain supporters. It was the older people that voted to leave. As to the elites, they will lose years of their work and tens of billions as the eu implodes. If the elites would not lose much they would not have fought so hard.
On my drive to work this morning I listened to the BBC news and then NPR. Nearly all the talk was about the Brexit vote. They stressed it several times that it was older people that voted to leave. Older white uneducated people they said over and over. I was surprised that they didn't call them bitter clingers.
Post by: Patriot Guard Rider on June 24, 2016, 06:31:16 PM
On my drive to work this morning I listened to the BBC news and then NPR. Nearly all the talk was about the Brexit vote. They stressed it several times that it was older people that voted to leave. Older white uneducated people they said over and over. I was surprised that they didn't call them bitter clingers.
The older people remember what a free country is supposed to be (notwithstanding draconion gun laws). THAT'S why they voted to leave.
Having some anonymous, nameless government official in Brussels deciding you can't have a toaster was a little much for them.
Millennials there aren't any different than millennials here. Big daddy will provide.
(spit)
Post by: freedumb2003b on June 24, 2016, 06:31:50 PM
Mike the clown is partially right.
The internet-influenced underclass morons who voted to leave the EU thought they were doing something to spite the "elite".
The "elite" will lose some business and some income, but far more in the ignorant underclass will lose everything.
Good.
They're no different from the underclass morons here who will vote this fall to destroy NATO and American world trade.
Hopefully enough people will recognize this British catastrophe, and avoid a similar tragedy here.
Yes, self-rule and not wanting to be overrun by manic ignorant immigrants who you must pay for because people who are not from your country nor culture say you have to are a catastrophe.
You dig that fascism shit don't you.
Post by: freedumb2003b on June 24, 2016, 06:33:58 PM
On my drive to work this morning I listened to the BBC news and then NPR.That will rot your brain.
Post by: CollectivismMustDie on June 24, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
CMD
Post by: fatboy on June 25, 2016, 12:22:42 AM
I have finally figured out the answer to a question that has been bugging me for as long as I have been a member of this discussion board.
Thank you. Have a nice day!
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on June 25, 2016, 06:44:42 AM
I don't get where you are coming from GB. The UK and Germany are pretty much carrying the EU. It would make sense for the UK to jettison the ugly sisters like Greece. I'm surprised Germany hasn't pushed to do the same.
Yes there are benefits to the EU. I just don't see it for the UK and Germany. Might be different if it was more of a free trade pact than a single currency. That is what it started out to be. I personally think the weak sisters need to fail like Venezueala. That will change their attitudes real quick about socialism.
Care to explain in a little more detail? I am really interested in your opinion as why this is a complete tragedy. :cheersmate:
It's more a 'Leadership and destiny' thing with Germany than an economic one, though there is an economic aspect too in that as one of the most industrialized and productive countries in Europe, Germany sees open borders and a unified currency as advantageous to it as an exporter. UK is somewhat hampered in the productivity department despite high industrialization, there is a rather stupid tradition of strong unions and low productivity there, much like France but not as bad. Of the other players making 'Leave' noises, Dutch discontent is probably the most economically-based, while in France it's more nationalistic than economic.
Free trade, as implemented in the last eight years and to some extent under the two previous Presidents, has been a whole lot better for the stock market and US banks than it has for the US manufacturing sector and actual workers, both of whom have steadily taken it in the shorts as US exports have been frozen out of overseas markets while our gates have been flung wide, reducing us to mainly an exporter of lumber and mineral resources, plus a few unique tech items, and otherwise a net importer of about everything else. It's been a disaster for our manufacturing sector and skilled manufacturing employment, but it's been great for people whose incomes are dependent on stocks and investment. The stock market's rise is touted as great economic success, however it is really a Potemkin village with rot, decay, and ultimate disaster lurking behind the facade. You can tell a lot about where a poster's money comes from by how they feel about free trade arrangements like TPP.
As far as NATO goes, it has somewhat lost direction since the end of the Cold War, though a resurgent Russia indicates ending it is not really a good idea. At the same time, with no active threat on the border, it drifts without purpose, with the US bearing any burdens for any actual international action that involves someone's army actually leaving its own home territory, to the extent their military forces are anything more than cadre or hobby establishments in the first place. The really basic problem that neither proponents or opponents want to touch is that the EU and NATO are fundamentally contradictory establishments. NATO exists (From our POV) to align smaller European countries behind our interests and construct a sphere of influence where we dominate. The EU on the other hand excludes the US, which has no interest in joining it and would not be welcome even if it did have any, creating an independent sphere which in theory can use its united economic power to deal with either East or West to its own direct advantage without reliance on the US.
Post by: I_B_Perky on June 25, 2016, 05:58:18 PM
It's more a 'Leadership and destiny' thing with Germany than an economic one, though there is an economic aspect too in that as one of the most industrialized and productive countries in Europe, Germany sees open borders and a unified currency as advantageous to it as an exporter. UK is somewhat hampered in the productivity department despite high industrialization, there is a rather stupid tradition of strong unions and low productivity there, much like France but not as bad. Of the other players making 'Leave' noises, Dutch discontent is probably the most economically-based, while in France it's more nationalistic than economic.
That I agree with. I think the big problem is the Euro. Different nations, different cultures, etc all under one currency and one regulating body. I think the unfettered migration of the muzzies was the final straw for the UK. I do not know if the Brexit is a good or bad thing. I do know that nothing is ever as good or as bad as the talking head pundits say they are. There was a UK before there was a EU and there will both afterward.
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Free trade, as implemented in the last eight years and to some extent under the two previous Presidents, has been a whole lot better for the stock market and US banks than it has for the US manufacturing sector and actual workers, both of whom have steadily taken it in the shorts as US exports have been frozen out of overseas markets while our gates have been flung wide, reducing us to mainly an exporter of lumber and mineral resources, plus a few unique tech items, and otherwise a net importer of about everything else. It's been a disaster for our manufacturing sector and skilled manufacturing employment, but it's been great for people whose incomes are dependent on stocks and investment. The stock market's rise is touted as great economic success, however it is really a Potemkin village with rot, decay, and ultimate disaster lurking behind the facade. You can tell a lot about where a poster's money comes from by how they feel about free trade arrangements like TPP.
I generally agree with you here as well. The real problem is not necessarily trade, it is nations like China manipulating their currency and nationally supporting their companies. This leads to dumping in the US, such as steel, that drove our companies out of business. Regulations... or over regulating drove our companies overseas. Just compare the cost to build say a power plant in the US vs China. Used to be in the US we could build a power plant in a year or two. Now it takes years just to do the damn studies the overbearing federal government requires.
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As far as NATO goes, it has somewhat lost direction since the end of the Cold War, though a resurgent Russia indicates ending it is not really a good idea. At the same time, with no active threat on the border, it drifts without purpose, with the US bearing any burdens for any actual international action that involves someone's army actually leaving its own home territory, to the extent their military forces are anything more than cadre or hobby establishments in the first place. The really basic problem that neither proponents or opponents want to touch is that the EU and NATO are fundamentally contradictory establishments. NATO exists (From our POV) to align smaller European countries behind our interests and construct a sphere of influence where we dominate. The EU on the other hand excludes the US, which has no interest in joining it and would not be welcome even if it did have any, creating an independent sphere which in theory can use its united economic power to deal with either East or West to its own direct advantage without reliance on the US.
Personally I think we need to tell Europe to start footing their share of the defense load. Not sure about the sphere of influence thing. Maybe in the beginning right after WW2. We bailed them out twice and then had to deal with the USSR. Now? Not so much. We got our own problems and China is problem number one.
One thing I am sure of is the elites in DC, both liberal and conservative, do not have the best interests of their constituents at heart. :cheersmate:
Post by: miskie on June 25, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
I personally think the weak sisters need to fail like Venezueala. That will change their attitudes real quick about socialism.
Indeed. The Socialist members view the wealthier member states as "the 1%" And expect their debt to be carried by them.
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on June 25, 2016, 08:27:54 PM
Mike the clown is partially right.
The internet-influenced underclass morons who voted to leave the EU thought they were doing something to spite the "elite".
The "elite" will lose some business and some income, but far more in the ignorant underclass will lose everything.
Good.
They're no different from the underclass morons here who will vote this fall to destroy NATO and American world trade.
Hopefully enough people will recognize this British catastrophe, and avoid a similar tragedy here.
Wrong.
What nonsense. They voted for sovereignty and the right to have a country. How would you like to live or operate a business under the thumb of the petty unelected EU technocrats? They dictate how many muzzie savages you need to take in and put in front of the line for housing, healthcare, and everything else. I doubt very much you would be a fan.
Right.
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on June 25, 2016, 08:36:30 PM
One thing I am sure of is the elites in DC, both liberal and conservative, do not have the best interests of their constituents at heart. :cheersmate:
That, is becoming more and more obvious with each large event. The LIbEralS, (D) or (R), it goes without saying. Now, the "conservatives"? I see only a few shades of difference. To be sure, they consider themselves conservative. Then, they rush to be acceptable to the next, bestest beltway cocktail party.
F*ck them. Hence, Trump. ..and yeah, I'm voting for him even more than against the evil, lying and ruthless bitch.
We lose the Supreme Court, it's game over.
Post by: Carl on June 25, 2016, 08:48:55 PM
Post by: I_B_Perky on June 25, 2016, 09:40:52 PM
That, is becoming more and more obvious with each large event. The LIbEralS, (D) or (R), it goes without saying. Now, the "conservatives"? I see only a few shades of difference. To be sure, they consider themselves conservative. Then, they rush to be acceptable to the next, bestest beltway cocktail party.
F*ck them. Hence, Trump. ..and yeah, I'm voting for him even more than against the evil, lying and ruthless bitch.
We lose the Supreme Court, it's game over.
I agree. We know what hillary will nominate. With Trump, at least there is a chance that it won't be a flaming liberal activist judge.
Post by: Tess Anderson on June 27, 2016, 09:37:08 PM
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Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:05 AM
Star Member Stinky The Clown (54,062 posts)
I am amazed - really quite amazed - at some of the Brexit opinions I am reading here on DU
In line with the new rules I will neither point out posts or posters, or even some of the drivel as that would connect it back to a post or poster.
People, do some research. See who backed the LEAVE vote. This wasn't about democracy or the will of the people. The people, it turns out, were far too ignorant to even know what they were voting for. They were sucked in by xenophobia, racism, and, as we hear in our own presidential campaign, taking their country back.
Here's the thing about "populism" . . . it is an easy sell. People who understand what the salesman is actually saying, and agree with it, will buy what's being sold. That's the good part and usually accounts for most of the sales. The bad part is that it is easy to sell the same product to the ignorant ****s who are too stupid or lazy to find out what the salesman is selling. Sell to enough ignorant ****s, add that to the informed buyers, and the product is sold enough to make a profit - or win a vote.
That's what happened with the Brexit vote. Too many lazy or ignorant ****s bought the right wing shit that was being sold. It was pure democracy at its very worst. The sort of democracy that brings demagogues and strongmen to power.
And if you think this was a vote against the elites, think again. Not all elites are made the same. One set of elites lost yesterday, but rest assured, a very different set of elites won. The losers were . . . . . guess who.
So please, do some research before you extoll the glory of the Brexit vote.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027954279
pretentious twit
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on June 27, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
Mike is still going on about it:Microagression alert!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027954279
pretentious twit
Post by: thundley4 on June 27, 2016, 10:03:22 PM
Mike is still going on about it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027954279
pretentious twit
You spelled twat, wrong. :-)
Post by: SVPete on June 28, 2016, 05:37:57 AM
Post by: Karin on June 28, 2016, 06:54:29 AM
Post by: SVPete on June 28, 2016, 07:03:27 AM
Why in the world is he so invested in this, that every other word in an F bomb. He sounds like he's about to burst a vessel. So angry, and yet he can't do a thing about it but call the voters ignorant ****s on DU. As if that does something.
My theory, posted above, is that he's all but scared stink-less at the prospect that this rejection of remote & unaccountable big government will spread - in scope and depth.
If apoplexy results, I hope he has ObamaCare.
Post by: franksolich on June 28, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
Why in the world is he so invested in this, that every other word in an F bomb. He sounds like he's about to burst a vessel. So angry, and yet he can't do a thing about it but call the voters ignorant ****s on DU. As if that does something.
I wondered about that myself; this certainly isn't any sort of issue that ever inspired the sparkling old dude in the past, and given his comments, I seriously doubt he really understands the issue.
I'm suspecting he was looking for something, anything, about which to be indignant, and his arteriosclerosis randomly latched onto this.
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 28, 2016, 07:40:09 AM
I wondered about that myself; this certainly isn't any sort of issue that ever inspired the sparkling old dude in the past, and given his comments, I seriously doubt he really understands the issue.
I'm suspecting he was looking for something, anything, about which to be indignant, and his arteriosclerosis randomly latched onto this.
I would hazard a guess and say . . . that the words "trophy wife" and "cuckhold" are prominently featured . . . :whistling:
Post by: Carl on June 28, 2016, 07:44:22 AM
Why in the world is he so invested in this, that every other word in an F bomb. He sounds like he's about to burst a vessel. So angry, and yet he can't do a thing about it but call the voters ignorant ****s on DU. As if that does something.
They are all tyrants at heart and any rejection of their beloved marxist ideals drives them into fits of impotent rage.
Post by: franksolich on June 28, 2016, 07:51:23 AM
I would hazard a guess and say . . . that the words "trophy wife" and "cuckhold" are prominently featured . . . :whistling:
I've been watching the primitives on Skins's island for fifteen years now.
There's always been an interesting--and of course observable--habit of some primitives when suddenly out of the blue, they begin discussing something they've never discussed before, in which they've never showed an interest before.....and in which, given their real-life circumstances, they can't possibly have had any knowledge or credentials.
Judy grasswire is the sterling example of this, but there's been lots of other primitives the same way.
It's almost as if Ms. Vanderbilt-Astor, the NJCher primitive, wandered away from the cooking and baking forum, and instead commented something about soybean prices in Burma, or land-reform in Botswana.
Post by: SVPete on June 28, 2016, 07:52:19 AM
I wondered about that myself; this certainly isn't any sort of issue that ever inspired the sparkling old dude in the past, and given his comments, I seriously doubt he really understands the issue.
I'm suspecting he was looking for something, anything, about which to be indignant, and his arteriosclerosis randomly latched onto this.
Maybe Sparkly thought DU was enj ... I mean suffering a dearth of race-baiting?
Post by: landofconfusion80 on June 28, 2016, 10:38:16 AM
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Post by: Big Dog on June 28, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
I would hazard a guess and say . . . that the words "trophy wife" and "cuckhold" are prominently featured . . . :whistling:
Yup. My thoughts exactly.
:cheersmate:
Post by: jukin on June 28, 2016, 04:25:33 PM
There's a laughable article on msn right now about how the Brexit is some sort of rejection of Reagan/thatcher era capitalism. It's not worth linking to, but the stretching and leaping are fantastic
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When you really think about and if you are smart enough to understand the nuance, the BREXIT vote is really a vote to stay in the eu. Pretty sure that our super smarterest first studly black preznint said the same thing concerning the shellacking he got in November 2014. And of course, because the GOPe is sophisticated and super smart they agreed by giving Obama everything he wanted and then some.
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 28, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
Yup. My thoughts exactly.
:cheersmate:
H5--GMTA!