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Congressional ban on oil drilling set to expire Oct 1. (http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/07/31/todrill.html?sid=101)
WASHINGTON -- In a major escalation in the battle over high gasoline prices, House Republicans are threatening to oppose any bill that would continue a 27-year ban on drilling for oil off the coasts of the United States.
A group of House Republicans including Pat Tiberi of Genoa Township and Bob Latta of Bowling Green signed a letter yesterday to President Bush urging that he "veto any spending bills that would continue the moratorium'' on offshore drilling.
In a separate letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Rep. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., called on her to drop the ban from any spending bill. He pointed out that the congressional ban on offshore drilling must be approved every year and the current prohibition expires on October 1.
But the Republican strategy runs the risk of a possible government shutdown when the 2008 federal spending year ends on October 1. If Pelosi insists on keeping the ban in any temporary spending bill and Bush vetoes it, one side would have to yield to keep the government operating.
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Reps. Hensarling and Shadegg's letter to Pelosi (http://www.americansforprosperity.org/index.php?id=6124)
Sen. Jim DeMint on the floor of the Senate:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLRDxj6QK_c[/youtube]
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/08/the_election_issue_of_all_elec.php
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
What????
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened (200,000 civilians were furlough'd (SIC) this past time when trying to get emergency funding)in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
Yeah I do depend on those benefits as in my damn paycheck, my health insurance, my life insurance and what actually puts food on my table and pays all of my bills. I think I understand what you are getting at, but saying it completely wrong. If we were shutdown, I can think of 6 aircraft that would have no support, 2 additional with no engineering support and countless other support
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
yeah fool...
the offshore oil drilling ban comes up for renewal every year, but, even while your heroes, GWB & tEh neo cons had a MAJORITY in government, they never saw fit to remove that nice little ban ...
so now you expect them to do it while the dimwhits have the house & senate??...
don't hold your breath...
wait, better yet....
please hold your breath so pinheads like yourself go extinct & stop voting for pinko neo cons, so we can get some real capitalists in power again...
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
What????
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened (200,000 civilians were furlough'd (SIC) this past time when trying to get emergency funding)in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
Yeah I do depend on those benefits as in my damn paycheck, my health insurance, my life insurance and what actually puts food on my table and pays all of my bills. I think I understand what you are getting at, but saying it completely wrong. If we were shutdown, I can think of 6 aircraft that would have no support, 2 additional with no engineering support and countless other support
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
Sorry, I was not referring to military personnel in my "give-a-damn" quotient, however, the lay-off of 200,000 government drones would likely not be noticed by most, as the vast majority of government employees don't do anything productive anyway. Based on my exposure, the govenment (nonmilitary) payroll has become a home for the hard-core unemployable, and affirmative action rejects.....basically a repository for those that could never find meaningful employment in the commercial sector. I acknowledge that there are exceptions, but I haven't found very many over the years.....
doc
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please hold your breath so pinheads like yourself go extinct & stop voting for pinko neo cons, so we can get some real capitalists in power again...
You live in Vermont......a socialist pimple on the ass of the free market, and you presume to lecture me on capitalism?
Crazy Jonnie wouldn't recognize a capitalist if one bit him in the butt.........
doc
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Y'all DO realize that it was done like this so that teh Obamessiah can show/claim progress towards energy solutions without having to take a stand one way or the other - which would piss off and alienate either the enviromentalist whack-jobs who don't want any new energy sources anywhere, or the working rank-and file (usually union) democrats who are tired of bending over and taking a gas-pump hose up the ass just to keep on keeping on. They're betting on a strongly NeoCom Congress and teh Obamessiah in the Oval Orifice pushing through a new ban shortly after the new Congress convenes.
For that matter, given what position Juan has already taken on this issue, can you honestly see him vetoing a new offshore drilling ban in January? :mental:
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The previous shutdown was one of the biggest blunders Gingrich ever made, he calculated (wrongly) that it would be counted against the President by the voters. In fact the public ire was directed almost entirely at Congress, and in particular Gingrich for being a toad in the road, terminally damaging his whole 'Contract with America' program. It may not play out the same now, but given the approval ratings Congress currently enjoys, running into a deadlock over drilling is a fight that should not work out well for the Dems, and one in which the GOP has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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The previous shutdown was one of the biggest blunders Gingrich ever made, he calculated (wrongly) that it would be counted against the President by the voters. In fact the public ire was directed almost entirely at Congress, and in particular Gingrich for being a toad in the road, terminally damaging his whole 'Contract with America' program. It may not play out the same now, but given the approval ratings Congress currently enjoys, running into a deadlock over drilling is a fight that should not work out well for the Dems, and one in which the GOP has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I completely agree, if they play their cards correctly, this could be the pivotal issue in this election cycle.....
doc
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The previous shutdown was one of the biggest blunders Gingrich ever made, he calculated (wrongly) that it would be counted against the President by the voters. In fact the public ire was directed almost entirely at Congress, and in particular Gingrich for being a toad in the road, terminally damaging his whole 'Contract with America' program. It may not play out the same now, but given the approval ratings Congress currently enjoys, running into a deadlock over drilling is a fight that should not work out well for the Dems, and one in which the GOP has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I completely agree, if they play their cards correctly, this could be the pivotal issue in this election cycle.....
doc
We've got Juan McLame "running the show" this time around. What are the chances that the GoP will "play their cards right", under such leadership?
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He's just another Senator in this scenario, which involves a veto so it means whatever bill it's attached to would've already made it out of Congress and past him. Here the guy wielding the veto pen would be GWB, which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either.
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
What????
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened (200,000 civilians were furlough'd (SIC) this past time when trying to get emergency funding)in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
Yeah I do depend on those benefits as in my damn paycheck, my health insurance, my life insurance and what actually puts food on my table and pays all of my bills. I think I understand what you are getting at, but saying it completely wrong. If we were shutdown, I can think of 6 aircraft that would have no support, 2 additional with no engineering support and countless other support
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
Sorry, I was not referring to military personnel in my "give-a-damn" quotient, however, the lay-off of 200,000 government drones would likely not be noticed by most, as the vast majority of government employees don't do anything productive anyway. Based on my exposure, the govenment (nonmilitary) payroll has become a home for the hard-core unemployable, and affirmative action rejects.....basically a repository for those that could never find meaningful employment in the commercial sector. I acknowledge that there are exceptions, but I haven't found very many over the years.....
doc
Well I'm a goverment employee drone. Please stop while you're ahead.
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
What????
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened (200,000 civilians were furlough'd (SIC) this past time when trying to get emergency funding)in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
Yeah I do depend on those benefits as in my damn paycheck, my health insurance, my life insurance and what actually puts food on my table and pays all of my bills. I think I understand what you are getting at, but saying it completely wrong. If we were shutdown, I can think of 6 aircraft that would have no support, 2 additional with no engineering support and countless other support
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
Sorry, I was not referring to military personnel in my "give-a-damn" quotient, however, the lay-off of 200,000 government drones would likely not be noticed by most, as the vast majority of government employees don't do anything productive anyway. Based on my exposure, the govenment (nonmilitary) payroll has become a home for the hard-core unemployable, and affirmative action rejects.....basically a repository for those that could never find meaningful employment in the commercial sector. I acknowledge that there are exceptions, but I haven't found very many over the years.....
doc
Well I'm a goverment employee drone. Please stop while you're ahead.
bitchslapped for being a whiney assed drone.
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Sorry, I was not referring to military personnel in my "give-a-damn" quotient, however, the lay-off of 200,000 government drones would likely not be noticed by most, as the vast majority of government employees don't do anything productive anyway. Based on my exposure, the govenment (nonmilitary) payroll has become a home for the hard-core unemployable, and affirmative action rejects.....basically a repository for those that could never find meaningful employment in the commercial sector. I acknowledge that there are exceptions, but I haven't found very many over the years.....
doc
Well, there's one less of those workers today. I decided to get the hell out, seeing as how there's more than just an imminent shutdown approaching. Implementing half-assed new personnel systems will also screw with the budget.
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Sorry, I was not referring to military personnel in my "give-a-damn" quotient, however, the lay-off of 200,000 government drones would likely not be noticed by most, as the vast majority of government employees don't do anything productive anyway. Based on my exposure, the govenment (nonmilitary) payroll has become a home for the hard-core unemployable, and affirmative action rejects.....basically a repository for those that could never find meaningful employment in the commercial sector. I acknowledge that there are exceptions, but I haven't found very many over the years.....
doc
Well, there's one less of those workers today. I decided to get the hell out, seeing as how there's more than just an imminent shutdown approaching. Implementing half-assed new personnel systems will also screw with the budget.
Not even close..................the new DOD NSPS will save the goverment money in the long run as evry year people will be getting nice bonuses instead of pay raises...........hence the retirement will be less.
Also it gives the goverment a way of getting rid of the drones.
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Not even close..................the new DOD NSPS will save the goverment money in the long run as evry year people will be getting nice bonuses instead of pay raises...........hence the retirement will be less.
Also it gives the goverment a way of getting rid of the drones.
Remember, though, you have career government guys implementing this stuff (this is both NSPS AND DCIPS). The decent workers are leaving in droves while the drones stay where they are. It changes nothing, sadly. The only real advantage: masking everybody's pay so you can't track it against the General Schedule.
Everything is subjective in the new system. You, as an employee, decide what you're going to do over the year (objectives, which take up a lot of time in addition to your day-to-day duties just to write and refine), and then you tie up your supervisor's time going over said objectives. There's a mid-year review, where objectives can be shifted to meet organizational goals if the employee isn't keeping up, and then the final closeout for the year is the only time you can challenge your rating of record.
And as for yearly bonuses, those go away within a year. The LRAs were more of a raise than the old 3-6-9 system.
It's going to be more of a waste to implement the system than it is just to change the rules. That's where the problem lies.
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
What????
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened (200,000 civilians were furlough'd (SIC) this past time when trying to get emergency funding)in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
Yeah I do depend on those benefits as in my damn paycheck, my health insurance, my life insurance and what actually puts food on my table and pays all of my bills. I think I understand what you are getting at, but saying it completely wrong. If we were shutdown, I can think of 6 aircraft that would have no support, 2 additional with no engineering support and countless other support
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
Sorry, I was not referring to military personnel in my "give-a-damn" quotient, however, the lay-off of 200,000 government drones would likely not be noticed by most, as the vast majority of government employees don't do anything productive anyway. Based on my exposure, the govenment (nonmilitary) payroll has become a home for the hard-core unemployable, and affirmative action rejects.....basically a repository for those that could never find meaningful employment in the commercial sector. I acknowledge that there are exceptions, but I haven't found very many over the years.....
doc
Well I'm a goverment employee drone. Please stop while you're ahead.
Why don't you get off the federal tit and get a real job?
:fuelfire:
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Why don't you get off the federal tit and get a real job?
:fuelfire:
I had a real job for the last 10 years since I left the Navy.................now I'm just a useless drone getting fat on the goverment tit
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Why don't you get off the federal tit and get a real job?
:fuelfire:
I had a real job for the last 10 years since I left the Navy.................now I'm just a useless drone getting fat on the goverment tit
But you are at least getting some "tit", that's what's important. :naughty:
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Why don't you get off the federal tit and get a real job?
:fuelfire:
I had a real job for the last 10 years since I left the Navy.................now I'm just a useless drone getting fat on the goverment tit
But you are at least getting some "tit", that's what's important. :naughty:
Caballo Loco getting some tit ?? Naaahhh, ain't gonna happen!!! :fuelfire:
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This is great news! I was not aware that the ban required renewal every year. We can only hope that the Republicans, and President Bush have the cajones to stand up and veto any renewal that hits his desk....If it means a government shutdown so be it!!
Frankly, when the last shutdown happened in Clinton's reign, I would not have known if I wasn't advised by the MSM how "bad" it was.....I don't really recieve any government benefits, so shut it down. And for those that depend on those benefits......my "give-a-damn" meter is hovering pretty close to zero.....
This singular event happening one month before election day, will swing the vote massively in our direction, if the media is managed correctly.....
doc
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
yeah fool...
the offshore oil drilling ban comes up for renewal every year, but, even while your heroes, GWB & tEh neo cons had a MAJORITY in government, they never saw fit to remove that nice little ban ...
so now you expect them to do it while the dimwhits have the house & senate??...
don't hold your breath...
wait, better yet....
please hold your breath so pinheads like yourself go extinct & stop voting for pinko neo cons, so we can get some real capitalists in power again...
Go **** yourself. Show some respect or stay the **** off the board. This isn't that stupid antisemitic slum you are used to stinking up.
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Why don't you get off the federal tit and get a real job?
:fuelfire:
I had a real job for the last 10 years since I left the Navy.................now I'm just a useless drone getting fat on the goverment tit
But you are at least getting some "tit", that's what's important. :naughty:
Caballo Loco getting some tit ?? Naaahhh, ain't gonna happen!!! :fuelfire:
:bird: BROWNSHOE
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please hold your breath so pinheads like yourself go extinct & stop voting for pinko neo cons, so we can get some real capitalists in power again...
You live in Vermont......a socialist pimple on the ass of the free market, and you presume to lecture me on capitalism?
Crazy Jonnie wouldn't recognize a capitalist if one bit him in the butt.........
doc
Yeah taking advice from JCC on anything could be dangerous.
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Not even close..................the new DOD NSPS will save the goverment money in the long run as evry year people will be getting nice bonuses instead of pay raises...........hence the retirement will be less.
Also it gives the goverment a way of getting rid of the drones.
That's certainly the party line. However, speaking as a guy who's spent several years doing labor law cases against the drones, I'd say it's a fairy tale. NSPS is Rumsfeld's last screwed-up legacy of a long series of leadership-by-tantrum/screw-up-anything-that-pisses-you-off episodes (though I have to admit he did get off the good zinger now and then).
I could write you a book, but from my perspective as a skilled and fully-developed professional, the bottom line is that it doesn't actually create any great big incentive except to get the Hell out of civil service for greener pastures, and the drones are still hanging around, safer than ever. I became eligible to retire while I was on that last deployment, I'm baling at the end of next year. NSPS is one of the major reasons.
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Not even close..................the new DOD NSPS will save the goverment money in the long run as evry year people will be getting nice bonuses instead of pay raises...........hence the retirement will be less.
Also it gives the goverment a way of getting rid of the drones.
That's certainly the party line. However, speaking as a guy who's spent several years doing labor law cases against the drones, I'd say it's a fairy tale. NSPS is Rumsfeld's last screwed-up legacy of a long series of leadership-by-tantrum/screw-up-anything-that-pisses-you-off episodes (though I have to admit he did get off the good zinger now and then).
I could write you a book, but from my perspective as a skilled and fully-developed professional, the bottom line is that it doesn't actually create any great big incentive except to get the Hell out of civil service for greener pastures, and the drones are still hanging around, safer than ever. I became eligible to retire while I was on that last deployment, I'm baling at the end of next year. NSPS is one of the major reasons.
Oh I'm scared shitless about NSPS. Also became more afraid after seeing Congress mandated that the Bargaining Units be brought into within a year. We go to it near the end of October. I was a KPP.....................gone now. As a hard worker, I can see where it "COULD" be a good thing..............I however am skeptical of this whole pay pool thingy. Now I'm looking at becoming a training leader and going to the wage pays. There are a lot of changes coming where I work due to retirement and not replacing the people over the years.
I'm screwed because my field has the best pay and integrity within the Goverment as either an employee or contractor. The private sector is using our title (still nothing in the DOL job descriptions) and hiring idjits to do the job and calling them X................and they have no frikin clue what is involved and what they are doing (I know broad brush, but it's reality)