DNC to offer Sanders a convention concession
In an attempt to head off an ugly conflict at its convention this summer, the Democratic National Committee plans to offer a concession to Sen. Bernie Sanders — seats on a key convention platform committee — but it may not be enough to stop Sanders from picking a fight over the party’s policy positions…..
It is a battle between those that want to stone out and live for free and those that want absolute power,wealth and control over everyone.
It's a meaningless and valueless offer, and based on his experience in the Senate, I would expect Sanders would see that from the git-go. 'Seats on committees' means Jack if you are still in a minority on them and the oppositional viewpoint has a lock on a majority of the committee votes. It's a Magic Beans offer with no beanstalk.
True, yes.
But remember the gimme crowd's propensity to think shiny brass is gold; they might think they've won something here, although as you pointed out, no matter what, they'd be outvoted.
The Bernie bullies don't deserve to even think they won something; in their case, it's just as important to deprive them of their delusions as it is to deprive them of reality.
It is a battle between those that want to stone out and live for free and those that want absolute power,wealth and control over everyone.
The more brutal and autocratic the crushing of the Bernouts is, the better for the GOP. To that end I hope to see it take place in a (Figuratively) bloody, public, and merciless fashion at the DemonRat convention, not before, destroying as much as possible any pretensions or prospects of reconciliation.
GeorgiaPeanuts (2,194 posts) Fri May 20, 2016, 11:09 AM
Clinton fury with Sanders grows
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/280622-clinton-fury-grows-with-sanders
Behind the scenes, however, they are seething that statements by the Vermont senator are just making matters worse by further alienating his supporters from Clinton, the front-runner for the party's presidential nomination.
The continued combat on the left is also complicating Clinton’s efforts to fully turn her attention to presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump, who is reveling in the Democratic feuding.
“This is the worst-case scenario and the one people feared the most,†said one Clinton ally and former Clinton aide.
We welcome their hatred. Buckle up Clinton supporters this ain't over yet.
Why bernie needs to keep on fighting:
Divide and conquer. The longer the two sides fight, the deeper the resentment
Better chance of Ultra violence (love that movie) as it becomes ever more apparent that he will lose, his supporters will lash out in more extreme ways. They've invested more than time and resources in this. Bernie has become their identity and they'll fight to see it to fruition.
All the mud slinging is draining resources from both sides, while trump has to invest little for a good while. His name turns up in every article about hillary and bernie without any effort.
This could do some permanent long-term damage to the Democrat party. Hillary backers shouting down the unwashed masses will hopefully not be forgotten by those unwashed masses.
^^^ this. :clap:
What's great about that is that the onus must inevitably fall upon the shoulders of the childish immature greedy selfish self-centered Bernie bullies.
I don't see that the supporters of Messalina Agrippina are holding up party unity; in fact, I've rarely seen a group of people more eager for party unity than them. They're the ones willing to go the extra mile, to give what it takes, for the sake of party unity. They're even making concessions they don't need to make as they've already won, simply out of the goodness of their hearts and the nobility of their character.
But their hand of friendship and reconciliation, extended to the Bernie bullies, just gets bitten off.
If party unity doesn't happen, there's no shared blame in it; the blame all belongs on one side.
I do agree with you there Frank. I am thinking that the closer it gets to the convention, or even the convention itself, the hildabeast supporters will take that hand of friendship, ball it into a fist and knock the daylights out of the berniebots. As you have pointed out the berniebots are going to lose. I want to see the berniebots get their panties in a wad and make a big spectacle of themselves on national TV. Up until now the MSM talking heads have all been talking about the GOP party fight. With this happening on national TV they will have no choice but to acknowledge that their own party is in disarray and chances are they will lose even more credibility in the eyes of the mainstream voters.
This year is turning out to be an entertaining election cycle. :popcorn:
I'll wait for the accusation that the people causing the problems aren't berniebots at all, but Trump supporters posing as berniebots to cause the trouble.
Just wait. That's coming.
I'll wait for the accusation that the people causing the problems aren't berniebots at all, but Trump supporters posing as berniebots to cause the trouble.
Just wait. That's coming.
Ah, but think of appearances.
Remember, it's easier for a decent and civilized person to act as a primitive, than it is for a primitive to act as a decent and civilized person.
And along the same lines, if Bernie bullies tried to dress like Trump supporters, they'd flop; people'd see right through it, that they're really Bernie bullies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512013825
There evolves in this very long thread--it's miles long--a "discussion" between Judy grasswire and the once-prominent bettyellen primitive who was significant during the scam that rocked the internet eleven years ago.
But surely Judy grasswire, unless her memory's shot, should know; one has to remember that Judy grasswire "investigated" the scam thoroughly enough that she finally concluded franksolich had something dastardly to do with the demise of the red round one.
So the bettyellen primitive, who had a not-modest role in the scam, should be as familiar to Judy grasswire as Judy's favorite pair of shoes.
But self-absorbed Judy seems to not recognize her at all. (One gets the impression the bettyellen primitive is aware, at least vaguely, who Judy grasswire is, though.)
Poor stupid Beth's scam was a long time ago, so if one needs the memory refreshed, the bettyellen primitive was one of various primitives from New Jersey and New York who housed and entertained the late red round one when in theory he was at Johns Hopkins hospital down in Baltimore for an operation.
I have no idea why the bettyellen primitive felt compelled to lie so much on behalf of the late red round one; she doesn't strike one as an especially deceitful person, but there it is, there you have it.
If you're looking for "mood music" for that day, Coach, try Chopin's Funeral March.
Democrat Senators Threaten to Punish Bernie Sanders
.....The blowup in Nevada has prompted many of Sanders’s Senate colleagues to urge him to get control of what he started—and direct it away from Democrats and toward Trump.
Bernie Sanders has proven he can fill a stadium with adoring fans, but Democrats say he risks being ostracized by members of his own party when he returns to the Senate unless he can reign in his supporters soon.
While Sanders’s young and energetic base is something the Democratic Party desperately wants to coopt in the general election, senior Democrats want Vermont’s junior senator to harness that anger and point it at Donald Trump. Anything less, they say, and Sanders risks coming back to the Senate alienated from his colleagues.
The violence that erupted at the Democratic convention in Nevada last weekend, with chairs being thrown, followed up by threats of violence and vulgar, sexist insults being hurled at Democratic leaders by ardent Sanders supporters, was a wake-up call for many in the Democratic Party.
California Sen. Barbara Boxer was at the mic for Hillary Clinton when the now infamous convention erupted. She’s a four term senator, who defeated former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina in her last reelection, so she’s not Pollyannaish. Still, she says when she talked to Sanders on Tuesday she told him to never let his supporters do that again.
“I told him that what happened to me was very alarming, disturbing and that he needed to really get control of the situation,†Sen. Boxer told The Daily Beast. “He said he was distressed about it and expressed chagrin about it.â€
Later, when Sanders sent out a press release on the affair, he doubled down, accusing the Nevada Democratic Party of being in the pro-Hillary camp. Democrats in the Senate didn’t like the sound of that, because they think it’s time for the party to heal, not throw more blows.
“I don’t think it strengthens democracy or it reflects well on the Democratic Party for us to stoop to the level of Mr. Trump who has made this presidential campaign in his party all about needlessly, personal attacks,†said Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE).
When asked by The Daily Beast whether Sanders will be ostracized by his Democratic colleagues when he returns to the Senate if the primary ends bitterly, Coons matter of factly told The Daily Beast, “Yes.â€
When asked if Sanders risked alienating his fellow senators if the vitriol continues to rise, he again responded, “Yes.â€
Well, well.
There's a whole lot of people who really need to knuckle down and read Dale Carnegie's classic, How to Win Friends and Influence People.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/23/bernie-sanders-risks-berning-bridges-in-senate.html
Skippy and Manny, please pick up the courtesy phone.....
If you're looking for "mood music" for that day, Coach, try Chopin's Funeral March.
The downside for him is really no different from the upside, they're going to treat him like shit after the election no matter what.
Bernie Sanders Supporters Endorse Bernie Madoff For VP
"Having a strong finance background, that's what we're all looking for"
Bernie Sanders supporters in San Diego gave their glowing endorsement to the 74-year-old socialist picking fraudster Bernie Madoff as his running mate, noting that the kingpin of one of history’s most infamous ponzi schemes had a good background in finance.
Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in prison in June 2009 after he admitted to defrauding thousands of investors of billions of dollars over a period stretching back decades,
When told by Mark Dice that Bernie Sanders was bringing Madoff aboard as his vice-presidential pick to “help clean up Wall Street,†one man responded, “I think that’s a good idea,†noting that the ticket would include “all the Bernsâ€.
Another respondent illustrated how most people form their political opinions by proxy when he stated, “One person told me about him and said good things so if he’s as good as the person says then I’m all for it.â€
“From what I heard, what I was told about what Bernie’s about, I’m all for it,†he adds.
Dice asks another woman whether picking Madoff as Bernie’s running mate is a good idea “even though they have the same first name,†to which she responds, “Yeah I think it’s pretty cool, it’s pretty badass, yeah.â€
Another individual notes that “having someone strong in finance†would be good for Bernie’s campaign, seemingly unaware of the fact that Madoff presided over what is considered the largest financial fraud in U.S. history.....
Geezuz, is there even one single solitary IQ among all the Bernie bullies?
http://www.infowars.com/bernie-sanders-supporters-endorse-bernie-madoff-for-vp/
To be fair, you could pull a similar stunt on just about any faction's adherents with similar results. People can't seem to remember much of anything beyond about a week anymore.
Oh, but remember, these are people who pride themselves in being smarter than everybody else.
Everything is relative, I guess. They think anyone who doesn't have the same wacko views they hold as being custodially retarded, so I suppose they are right in terms of their own frame of reference, i.e. they are marginally smarter than the custodially retarded.
I sure hope you apologize to the custodially retarded for comparing them to DUmmies, even if they did come out ahead in the comparison.
Just sayin...
Forgive me, Jesus, and all them little Pygmies in New Guinea, amen.
Well, well, according to the New York Times, an extreme left-leaning source if there ever were one, as of this afternoon, Wednesday, May 25:
Messalina Agrippina 2,305 delegates (2,383 needed to win)
Methuselah 1,539 delegates
Those numbers include all delegates, not as the Bernie bullies would have it, just the blond-haired ones and the tall ones. When giving delegate counts, one must include all delegates, no matter any other characteristics they might possess.
Since the superdelegates can turn on a dime right up until they cast their vote at the convention, however, they do not count as far as mathematically eliminating him from contention, if he chooses to stay in the race up until that final ballot. I hope he does, really, it's fun watching her feel the Bern.
I hope Bernie stays in and keeps winning the popular vote in every state.
:cheersmate:
Break out the dancers; remember either of the two blondes looks remarkably like Messalina Agrippina, so imagine it's she, jubilating.
Today in Bernie Sanders Hypocrisy
Superdelegates are bad, but they used to be good, and they'll be good again if they vote for him at the Convention.
Bernie Sanders doesn't like superdelegates. Neither do members of Bernie's staff, nor Bernie's legions of supporters. Superdelegates are unelected, unaccountable, undemocratic. These party elites, who get to vote however they want, shouldn't be counted in assessments of the Democratic primary race. Superdelegates "don't count until they vote, and they don't vote until we get to the convention," Bernie's campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said on CNN last month.
But, as The Hill reminds us, Sanders didn't always sing the same tune. On June 5, 2008—two days after the last state voted, but before Hillary Clinton dropped out—Sanders pledged his support to then-Senator Barack Obama in an interview with The Burlington Free-Press. The Vermont senator had customarily held off endorsing anyone, the paper explained, until the party had chosen a nominee.
Except that Obama was not yet the nominee.
At that point in the '08 race, Obama had the support of 1,766.5 pledged delegates, according to The Hill, while 2,118 total delegates were required to secure the nomination that year. Clinton had 1,639.5. That meant that Obama needed superdelegates to put him over the top and make him the nominee—something Sanders apparently had no issue with at the time. Clinton dropped out two days after that interview, conceding defeat when she was 127 pledged delegates behind.
Clinton has 1,768 pledged delegates, while Sanders has 1,497. That's a lead of 271 without any superdelegates, with six states plus Washington, D.C., remaining. It's unlikely Sanders will narrow the gap to the 127 that separated Clinton and Obama in 2008, and virtually impossible for him to catch up to her completely. Yet he has promised to go to the convention and force a floor fight for superdelegates.
If you're keeping score at home, this means Sanders wants to use the super-undemocratic concept of superdelegates, which he used to be OK with but now thinks are the worst, to overturn the democratically-determined will of the people—keep in mind Clinton also has 2.4 million more popular votes than Sanders—and make him the Democratic nominee. Plus, he'll likely need more of them than Clinton would have needed in 2008 to overturn Obama's advantage.
Isn't Bernie the guy who's against the establishment political machine?
Isn't he the one who represents the popular will against the elites who are trying to subvert it?
DNC rejects Sanders's request to remove committee chairs
Senior Democratic National Committee (DNC) officials have rejected a request from Bernie Sanders's campaign to change the leadership of two crucial committees at the convention.....
Not much--if anything at all--happened on the delegate front during the night; the count remains Messalina Agrippina 2,309 and Methuselah 1,539, with 2,383 needed to win.
This week, Saturday June 4, is the Virgin Islands Democrat caucus, with 12 delegates at stake.
I decided Offenbach's can-can dance music is too low-brow, too common, and so began exploring for better campaign theme music, for when Messalina Agrippina finally crushes the Bernie bullies, the feces of humanity, into the dirt.
I'm considering this; the jubilation and exultant passion of the crowd seems to match what's likely to happen the night Messalina Agrippina nabs delegate 2,383:
https://youtu.be/533oFxCtSJo
Andre Rieu and Bond. Keep your eyes in your head, ok?
The Democrats Are Flawlessly Executing a 10-Point Plan to Lose the 2016 Presidential Election
One needn’t speculate about how the Democrats could end up losing the 2016 presidential election. In fact, a subtly complex, multi-part plan to do just that is exactly what the Democrats have been up to over the last six months.
Here’s a detailed report on the ten steps the Democrats are now taking to ensure they lose the White House to the Republicans in 2016:
Top Democrat Uses Math To Show Bernie Sanders That It’s All But Over
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) used basic math to show Bernie Sanders that Hillary Clinton will clinch the Democratic nomination before the polls even close in California.after which a video in which the senior senator from California carefully explains arithmetic to Methuselah and the Bernie bullies
Sen. Sanders owes it to his millions of small donors to fight for every single delegate, but even if he pulled out a small victory in California, it wouldn’t change the result. Former Sec. of State Clinton is going to lock up the nomination with a big win in New Jersey. The Real Clear Politics average of polls shows Hillary Clinton with an eight-point lead on Sen. Sanders in California. Even the poll that Jon Karl touted above as a dead heat showed Clinton leading by 2 points.
Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee. There is no data suggesting that the massive win that Sanders needs to overtake Clinton in pledged delegates is happening.
That’s not bias talking. It’s math and polling data. Sen. Sanders only has hope, while the data suggests that sometime right after the polls close in New Jersey, Hillary Clinton will become the presumptive Democratic nominee.
Well, well.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/29/top-democrat-math-show-bernie-sanders.html
Coach, the Bernouts are using 'unicorn math.' ::) :whatever:
.....Sanders has no better claim on the candidacy than any of fifty other far-more-mainstream Dems whom the party could decide to substitute for her.
Oh, the Bernouts are technically correct, but they just do not understand how much the big money players in their party want Clinton (And despise or fear Sanders and the Populists) and how thoroughly those same big boys own the superdelegates (Exactly as their party intended, of course). Keeping Hitlery from gaining a true majority of pledged delegates, no matter how much a foregone conclusion the superdelegate vote may be, does still leave one narrow path to victory for Sanders, but it requires the occurrence of an actual indictment for both the email shenanigans AND the Clinton Foundation's money laundering, PLUS Hitlery mustering enough humility (Fat chance) to admit she is fatally damaged after such an indictment is announced.
I expect Lynch and her puppet-masters will refuse to announce anything about an indictment until the vote goes for Hitlery at the convention, procedurally killing any possiblity of Sanders slipping in behind her withdrawal. Once the convention is closed, then DOJ will finally make some announcement if they can't put it off until after the election entirely, at that point (Assuming Hitlery gives it up even then) Sanders has no better claim on the candidacy than any of fifty other far-more-mainstream Dems whom the party could decide to substitute for her.
Assuming that at some point Hillary was indicted after being crowned with the nomination and withdraws by choice or force, the DNC picks anyone but Bernie, that person is almost guaranteed to lose to Trump.
I'll reserve judgment on that, it kind of depends on who they might pick, but if that greasy weasel Kristol turns out to be right, the GOP would be pretty thoroughly sabotaged, and even a badly-wounded 'Rat candidate (Besides Hitlery) would have a pretty damn' good chance.
Why We Need Those ‘Anti-Democratic’ Superdelegates
To critics of the process, supporters have a one-word answer: Trump.
.....The argument for ditching the superdelegate idea is simple—and superficially convincing. Why should these “insiders†have the power to override the millions who voted in primaries and caucuses? Why should we return, in effect, to the back rooms and insider dealings four decades after opening the process to the people themselves?.....
.....Well, here’s why. There are some circumstances where the “will of the votersâ€â€”often the will of a plurality of voters—may well put the party on the road to a massive political defeat......
.....Further, it may result in the nomination of a candidate who violates the most fundamental beliefs of that party. Or whose temperament and character might put a dangerous, unfit person into the Oval Office......
.....Under those circumstances, the existence of a bloc of superdelegates means the presence of an “emergency brake,†a last chance to avoid disaster......
.....And while it may be “undemocratic†in the narrowest sense of that term, our political system is replete with “undemocratic†elements that have served us very well......
Coach, the Bernouts are using 'unicorn math.'
More Washington Democrats look to do away with caucuses after Clinton primary winClinton wins nonbinding primary, despite losing caucuses that counted
Some Democrats say it’s time to switch to using primary instead
Republicans already use primary results to award delegates to presidential candidates
Hillary Clinton’s victory in Washington’s presidential primary on Tuesday is causing more Democrats to ask why they are ignoring those results.
Jamal Raad, a spokesman for the state Democratic Party, said party officials received “a handful of emails†Wednesday morning questioning whether the state party’s use of caucuses to allocate delegates to presidential candidates truly represents the will of Washington voters.
Clinton lost the state’s March 26 caucuses in a landslide for Bernie Sanders that handed the Vermont senator 74 of the state’s 101 delegates to the Democratic National Convention.
But the former secretary of state then turned around and won Tuesday’s nonbinding Democratic primary election, earning 53 percent of the vote compared with Sanders’ 47 percent......
.....Votes are still being counted in the all-mail election, but by Wednesday almost three times as many Democrats had voted in the primary as participated in Democrats’ March 26 precinct caucuses......
.....While voters can take part in the primary by simply dropping a ballot in the mail, participating in the caucuses requires voters to take time away from family or work to attend a meeting with their neighbors. The Democratic precinct caucuses where Sanders won his delegates lasted just a few hours, but the later legislative district caucuses that helped cement that victory took up to 12 hours. Afterward, local Democratic volunteers questioned whether a primary would be preferable.
“People can’t find a babysitter for a whole day, they can’t leave work for a whole day. They have family commitments, or their kids are in activities,†said Elaine Hansch, a Clinton supporter from Gig Harbor.
Because of those factors, Hansch said she thinks the primary results are more representative of what the majority of voters think and should therefore be used to allocate delegates in the presidential race......
.....Susan Hutchison, chairman of the state Republican* Party, issued a statement late Tuesday calling the Democrats’ caucus system “antiquated†and “out of step with the voters.â€.....
Hmmm.
Something for the Bernie bullies to think about.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/why-we-need-those-anti-democratic-superdelegates-213921QuoteWhy We Need Those ‘Anti-Democratic’ Superdelegates
To critics of the process, supporters have a one-word answer: Trump.
Payne: Sanders Is Trying to ‘Damage and Destroy’ Democratic Party
NEWARK – As New Jersey barrels toward the unusually relevant June 7 presidential primary, one of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s most ardent supporters in New Jersey’s congressional delegation shared his thoughts on her competitor for the Democratic nomination Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Congressman Donald Payne Jr. (D-10) said that he believes that Clinton will become the eventual Democratic nominee despite Sanders’ continued presence in the presidential race.
According to Payne, Sanders has become an increasingly divisive figure in the Democratic Party, something that is weakening the party’s strength in the nation.
“We need to remember that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat,†Payne told PolitickerNJ. “Everyone has a right to run for president in this country but he should have run as an independent as he has been for the past 30 years rather than using the Democratic Party in order to gain traction in his campaign.â€.....
Calif. gov Jerry Brown endorses Clinton
California Gov. Jerry Brown has endorsed Hillary Clinton for president ahead of next week's California primary, giving the Democratic front-runner a major ally as the race tightens......
.....Brown praised Bernie Sanders’s campaign, adding that his populist message mirrored Brown’s 1992 presidential bid.
But he noted Clinton's strong lead in both total votes cast and delegates won.
"Clinton’s lead is insurmountable and Democrats have shown – by millions of votes – that they want her as their nominee," he said......
Bernie Sanders Declares Hillary Won’t Get Enough ‘Real Delegates’ to Win Next Week
It’s all but guaranteed that Hillary Clinton will wrap up the Democratic presidential nomination next week, but Bernie Sanders declared at a rally today that ain’t happening.
He riled up the crowd today as he declared that the media will declare “the nominating process is over†as soon as they can a week from tonight.
after which a video during which time Methuselah says the above
“The truth is,†he said, “unless I’m very very mistaken, no candidate… will have received the number of pledged delegates, i.e. the real delegates that people vote for, neither candidate will have received the requisite number of pledged delegates.â€
Clinton Cash payee Skinner has just issued a directive. Starting on June 16, criticism of Her Thighness will no longer be permitted. This will effectively ban the Bernie supporters in DUmmieland. This will be especially fun if the FBI issues a scathing report of Hillary with a recommendation to indict.
Therefore if Guccifer is telling the truth, that means Hillary's email server was hacked thus proving that her selfish desire to keep her email secret from everybody ironically means it was read by this nation's enemies. It is hard to see Skinner preventing criticism of Hillary at DUmmieland after that. A continued ban will mean an exodus of about 90% of the DUmmies.
So why is Skinner issuing such a self-destructive ultimatum? $$$$. As we have shown here, Skinner is HIGHLY PAID by the Clinton campaign via his wife, Shelly Moskwa. In March alone they hauled in $14,000 of Clinton Cash. There is no denying that Skinner is completely corrupt and is BETRAYING his fellow DUmmies as anybody out there can see on the following FEC documents and scanning for the name of Shelly Moskwa as you can see HERE, HERE, HERE, and HERE.
Since many DUmmies are aware of Skinner's corruption, how does he deal with it? Up until today he just ignored it. However, today he tried to slither out of it by JOKING about it:
.....California's primary next Tuesday is shaping up to be pivotal in the Democratic contest, with Clinton holding a 13-point advantage over Sanders, 51 percent to 38 percent, according to the Hoover Institution's Golden State Poll in the state.
Clinton, with 2,312 delegates, needs 71 more delegates to reach the required 2,383 for the Democratic nomination. Sanders has 1,545. At stake in the California primary are 548 delegates that are awarded proportional to the vote. Five other states also vote next Tuesday, including New Jersey, which could also turn the tide for Clinton.....
Enough with Bernie Sanders
.....Sanders does not deserve a movement, and his losing campaign does not deserve unusual deference and concessions. His tale about American oligarchy is simplistic, his policy proposals are shallow, his rejection of political reality is absurd, his self-righteousness and stubbornness are unbecoming. And, yes, he has lost.....
.....It is also staggeringly arrogant that Sanders would think that superdelegates, the Democratic “establishment†sorts that he has spent the whole campaign cartoonishly attacking as tools of Wall Street, would be open to his entreaties.....
Poll: Sanders edging Clinton out in California
Bernie Sanders could pull off a big win in next week's California primary, with a new poll showing him ahead by 1 percentage point.....
.....But, the poll found, Clinton has a 10-point lead among those likely to vote next week, primarily due to support from older voters.....
.....Clinton leads Sanders in the pledged delegate count 1,769 to 1,501. But when superdelegates are factored in, Clinton's lead blossoms to 2,313 and puts her just 70 delegates short of the Democratic nomination.....
Democrats weigh how to nudge Sanders out
Democrats in Washington have begun discussing how to encourage Sen. Bernie Sanders to end his campaign without alienating his legions of supporters, as party leaders grow eager to unite the party behind Hillary Clinton and provide a more robust defense for her candidacy.....
I'm going to be gone most of today again.There is an excellent case for doing nothing in "dead poets society" it is also my reasoning for voting libertarian. Everyone is concentrating on walking a certain way and one student just stands, proving the point that Robin Williams was making.
Today's the day however I'm going to ask the physician a question: "What are the possible consequences if I just stop everything, and do nothing?
"Why do people think that if something exists, something has to be done about it? Do they ever stop to think that, well, some things just go away on their own, or improve on their own, without anybody doing anything at all? 'Doing nothing' is always an option, and sometimes the best one.
"Just because insurance pays for a whole lot of things doesn't mean they're things that need done."
I'm being treated, and exhaustively so, for three different conditions--none of them contracted while living a too-easy, too-comfortable, too-soft of a life; in other words not ailments and afflictions of affluenza such as what the big guy in Bellevue's "suffering" in his squalid stinking decadent fatness.
None of the three at the moment in the short term are imminently life-threatening; I'm just really tired of wasting so much of my days of the week.
Bernie Sanders supporters are hurting Democratic Party, helping Donald Trump
blah blah blah and then.....Yet Sanders and his supporters carry on.
This is enormously frustrating for those of us who call ourselves Democrats and have participated in the party for years. Exit polls consistently show Clinton beating Sanders by 29 percent with self-identified Democrats, whereas he wins by 30 percent with self-identified independents.
Sanders, who never affiliated with the Democratic Party until his run for president, has every right to join our party and vigorously contest its nomination by bringing new people into it. However, neither he nor his supporters have the right to demand our fealty to their wishes considering they have failed to win a majority of our votes.....
How All Those Other States Spoiled California's Primary Story
After which the story, and then after which the facts:
2012: President Obama was renominated without opposition. Mitt Romney (who owned a home in California) had the Republican nomination sewn up in April.
2008: Candidate Obama lost the California primary to Hillary Clinton, but it wasn't enough to matter because he remained ahead in delegates. Clinton dropped out the following week. On the Republican side, John McCain had been the de facto nominee since February.
2004: Even with its primary in March, California found itself voting after 20 other states had already held their events and after John Kerry had already wrapped up the nomination. President George W. Bush was not challenged for renomination.
2000: Democrat Al Gore and Republican George W. Bush emerged from January and February primaries and caucuses back East with insurmountable leads, making California's March event another snoozer.
1996: President Bill Clinton ran unopposed in the Democratic Party, and Bob Dole emerged from a field of eight Republicans before the Ides of March. Pat Buchanan tried to make it interesting in California but got less than 20 percent of the vote.
1992: Candidate Bill Clinton surprised some people by defeating former (and future) California Gov. Jerry Brown. It was the last hurrah for Brown's oft-reiterated presidential ambitions, but even if Brown had won the state, Clinton would have had more delegates. On the GOP side, President George H.W. Bush easily held off lingering challenger Buchanan, who had about a quarter of the vote.
1988: Both Michael Dukakis and George H.W. Bush had secured their nominations long before the June primary, but Jesse Jackson and Bob Dole persisted in contesting California. Jackson got 35 percent of the Democratic vote, Dole just 13 percent of the Republican.
1984: The last candidate California might actually have rescued was Democrat Gary Hart, who won 39 percent of the vote against Walter Mondale and Jesse Jackson. Hart got a huge stash of delegates by winning nearly all the congressional districts, but he was wiped out on the same day in New Jersey — leaving him shy of Mondale's tally. On the GOP side, President Ronald Reagan cruised unopposed, warming up for a 49-state landslide over Mondale in November.
1980: Reagan got 80 percent of the Republican vote over Illinois Rep. John Anderson, who would run as an independent in November. Among Democrats, incumbent President Jimmy Carter suffered the ignominy of defeat at the hands of Teddy Kennedy. Carter, however, survived the blow to win the nomination (and lose to Reagan in the fall).
1976: In the nation's bicentennial year, California went with two favorite sons: sitting Gov. Jerry Brown, then just 38, on the Democratic side, and former Gov. Ronald Reagan, then 65, in the GOP. Both won by 30 points or more, but neither would be nominated that year. The Democrats nominated Carter; the GOP stuck with incumbent President Gerald Ford.
1972: President Richard Nixon ran virtually unopposed, so all the action was on the Democratic side, where Humphrey lost by just five points in a multi-candidate race won by George McGovern. It was the last time the California delegates were allowed to vote en bloc under the old "unit rule," and their combined weight put McGovern over the top. McGovern, an outspoken foe of the Vietnam War, would lose 49 states to Nixon that fall.
1968: Another Democratic primary that will live in memory was prompted by the decision of President Lyndon Johnson not to seek another term in the White House. Bobby Kennedy entered the race late against antiwar candidate Eugene McCarthy, who had helped force LBJ out. Kennedy won the crucial California vote by 46-42 percent. But minutes after giving his victory speech, Kennedy was assassinated. McCarthy was denied the nomination at the convention, which nominated Humphrey. On the Republican side, sitting Gov. Reagan won the primary as a favorite-son candidate and an 11th-hour challenger to the nomination of Nixon. Although Nixon was a native Californian, he did not contest the state's primary that year. He already had enough delegates to win the nomination. He was elected to his first term in the fall.
1964: President Johnson was unopposed, so the focus was entirely on Republican Barry Goldwater's win on the Republican side over New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller. The GOP convention in San Francisco set the tone for a more conservative GOP in the generations to come (even though Goldwater lost badly to Johnson that fall).
1960: Nixon and John F. Kennedy won the primary in their respective parties, but both had already secured their nominations in the earlier primaries.
1956: President Dwight Eisenhower was all but unopposed for renomination, and so was the Democrat he had beaten in 1952, Adlai Stevenson. Both won California on the way to what proved to be a replay of the 1952 outcome in November.
1952: California's primary mattered as sitting Gov. Earl Warren won, making him a formidable element in the close-fought convention that summer between Eisenhower and longtime conservative hero Robert A. Taft (neither of whom chose to contest the California primary). Warren would throw his support to Eisenhower at the convention and later be appointed chief justice of the Supreme Court. On the Democratic side, Tennessee Sen. Estes Kefauver won the California primary, defeating Edmund G. Brown (Jerry Brown's father), who would later be elected governor. The nomination, however, went to Adlai Stevenson, who was not a factor in the California primary.
1948: On the Democratic side, incumbent President Harry Truman won the primary unopposed. Sitting governor Warren, popular across party lines in California, won the GOP primary as an unopposed favorite son. At the convention, California's rising postwar importance was augured by Warren's selection as Dewey's running mate (at a time when Dewey was assumed to be a sure winner in November).
Well, today's the Virgin Islands caucus, 12 Democrat delegates up for grabs.
But no news yet.
And tomorrow's the Puerto Rico caucus, 67 Democrat delegates available for the taking.
After which this live thread will shut down, in preparation for the big one this coming week, when we got California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, and South Dakota all on one day, Tuesday.
It'll be over sometime between New Jersey and three hours later, California. I suspect Methuselah, who should've carried New Jersey, given that it's a neighbor state of his native state, will probably regret giving all his time to faraway California.
The fact that a native Chicagoan, a long time resident of Arkansas, can swipe New Jersey--New Jersey! Right next door to New York! Right on Methuselah's doorstep! And won by someone who's about as "outside" New Jersey as one can get! New Jersey!--can swipe New Jersey from this neighboring son of theirs says a great deal how those who know him best, feel about the old sourassed sourpuss.- - - - - - - - - -
One sees that the Wisconsin Democrats are seeking to do away with superdelegates.
<<<not being a Democrat, have no dog in this fight; however, being a rational person, can easily see why superdelegates for the Democrat party are a vital necessity, to keep the party from falling into unstable, extremist, fringe-lunatic hands.
Thus the history of the Democrat party; instead of keeping the rules plain and simple, the propensity to alter, "fine tune," manipulate the rules, so as to achieve some certain outcome.
And then changing the rules again when they prove not so advantageous.
Eduardo Mario Perelstein • 3 hours ago
Why is everybody still counting the superdelegates, even when DWS herself said -REPEATEDLY- that superdelegates do NOT vote until the convention????? Hillary will NOT clinch the nomination on Tuesday or after the DC primary, the superdelegates will decide. Saying anything else is BAD journalism.
Yup > to Eduardo Mario Perelstein • 3 hours ago
Don't worry, she won't be crowned (i.e., formally recognized as the nominee) until the convention. She will, however, be declared the presumptive nominee at that point. And that's precisely what she'll be, by virtue of having a majority of total delegates (yes, that includes superdelegates who've promised to support her), a majority of pledged delegates, and a lead in the popular vote.
Superdelegates have never overridden the will of the primary voters--they've never given the nomination to someone who hasn't earned a pledged delegate majority. There is absolutely no reason to think that they'll do so this time around. So again, no "coronation" is gonna happen on June 7, but Clinton will and should be declared the presumptive Democratic nominee.
Eduardo Mario Perelstein > to Yup • 3 hours ago
MANY things might and probably will happen between today and July 25. Nothing is written in stone when it comes to superdelegates.* Whether it is bad or good journalism, it will be wrong to crown HRC on June 7. Just W.R.O.N.G.
john beere > to Golestan • 32 minutes ago
Don't be hasty. We'll get there. We all want have the nomination contest wrapped up so we could move on to the general election. Anyway the fact that Clinton will be the nominee is all clear to everyone except the most delusional of Sanders' supporters.
Golestan • 5 hours ago
"Clinton edges closer to the nomination"
HOW SO???
So far I have not seen any results yet!
Yup • 4 hours ago
Don't be sore now Golestan. The Virgin Islands are 85% black and in any event, delegates are allocated proportionally. So both sides will get something, and that puts Clinton closer to getting the final 70 she needs to wrap things up.
Who won the 2016 Virgin Islands Democratic caucus?.
Saturday’s contest is among the smallest races in the 2016 Democratic primary, but could have outsized importance as Bernie Sanders is desperate for a strong finish that could put him closer to Hillary Clinton in delegates and further his case that he may indeed be the strongest candidate in November.
The U.S. Virgin Islands caucus will start at 10 a.m. and results are expected to come out by early afternoon. There are seven pledged delegates to go along with five superdelegates up for grabs.
It could be an important moment for Sanders, who has settled on a strategy that involves a big finish in the remaining primaries coupled with an active outreach to superdelegates, who would need to jump from Clinton’s side to his en masse in order to put him over the top.
It’s a long shot, and the results of the 2016 Virgin Islands caucus will likely make it a bit harder. While there is no polling from the American territory, the demographic heavily favors Hillary Clinton. The islands’ population of 106,405 is mostly Afro-Caribbean, and Clinton has held large leads among African-American voters.....
Results from the 2016 Virgin Island Democrat caucus can be found here
The Democrat race - what the delegate maths says
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1 PLEDGED DELEGATES
These are the delegates won in primaries and caucuses. At the party's national convention, these delegates must vote for the candidate who won them.
Hillary Clinton: 1769
Bernie Sanders: 1501
2 SUPERDELEGATES
These are elected and party officials who automatically attend the convention and can vote for the candidate of their choice. The AP has surveyed these delegates several times and noted their on-the-record endorsements.
These delegates, however, can change their minds.
Clinton: 547
Sanders: 46
3 THE TOTAL
Clinton: 2316
Sanders: 1547
Clinton needs 67 delegates to reach the 2383 needed to win.
Sanders needs 836 delegates to clinch the nomination.
4 OUTSTANDING
These are the pledged delegates to be chosen in upcoming races and the superdelegates who have yet to commit to either Clinton or Sanders.
Pledged: 781
Superdelegates: 121
And so.....
https://youtu.be/yrvGcCK0o_o
For me, the sweetest part, the best part, the happiest part, of that whole 3:27 is the last ten seconds, beginning at the 3:17 mark. It's easy to imagine the men on horseback as the supporters of Messalina Agrippina colliding with the men standing on the ground, the Bernie bullies, the latter getting run over, trampled down, violently crushed.
That might sound a rather bloody and gory fantasy, but one has to remember the Bernie bullies themselves wished such a fate upon all those who weren't for Methuselah. If they think that way, I guess it's okay for other people to think that way too.
Puerto Ricans frustrated by the island's economic crisis are voting in the U.S. territory's Democratic presidential primary, as front-runner Hillary Clinton drew closer to securing the number of delegates needed to win her party's nomination.
A blowout win Saturday in the U.S. Virgin Islands left Clinton just 60 delegates short of the 2,383 needed to win the nomination.
Sixty pledged delegates are at stake in Puerto Rico. Clinton would need to win more than 85 percent of the vote to get them all.
Voters were mainly focused on the island's economic crisis.
Clinton and rival Bernie Sanders visited Puerto Rico and pledged help as it seeks to restructure $70 billion worth of public debt that the governor has said is unpayable.
The polls in Puerto Rico are open 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. eastern time. The opening time makes sense, the closing time doesn't.
Methuselah and his Bernie brats are screaming "fraud!" even as I write this.
That didn't take long; it's always fraud when they lose.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-gingrich-trump-attacks-judge-mistake-39621234
It's probably too much for which to hope, but if Messalina Agrippina gets 85+% of the vote, she's got the nomination today.
Wouldn't that be a hoot!
Wouldn't that be a hoot!
I love watching Bernie lose so badly
I can always tell Bernie's internal polls must look pretty bad when he preemptively accuses HRC or the DNC of "election fraud".
I'd vote for a rock before I'd vote for Bernie.
If Bernie can just get 300% of the vote he can still win!!
President of the PR Democratic Party was just interviewed and he said he expects full results to be reported around 8:30 to 9:00 local time.
Did anyone honestly believe that Sanders would have won P.R?
Bernouts did
Bernie Sanders has 1,547 delegates after this weekend, meaning that if today was March 16th, he'd be tied with Clinton.
Bernie Sanders' Excuses Tour - 2016
Iowa - coin tosses were rigged, used weighted coins to land on heads, magic coins, election fraud
Nevada - Clinton supporters pretended to be members of a Union to sway votes, latino's were told the wrong date, election fraud, Clinton's logo on registration sheets, a handful of Clinton voters may or may not have registered, too hot!
South Carolina, Alabama, and Georgia - "Southern blacks are too dumb to vote for Sanders"
Massachusetts - Bill Clinton blocked 20k people from voting. Should be arrested.
Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Louisiana, and Mississippi - Sanders didn't "compete" there because "black people"
Florida - old people retire there, election fraud, voter suppression
Arkansas - Clinton's home state - "dumb black people"
Illinois - Clinton's home state, election fraud, voting machines were rigged by Rupert Murdoch, Clinton hired protesters to dress up like Bernie supporters to shut down the Trump event
North Carolina - "more dumb black people"
Ohio - John Kasich stole our votes!
Arizona - Election fraud, voter suppression, old people retire there, ballot shortages (nevermind that this was being controlled by a republican election board, and this happened in a county in which Hillary won by over 15%)
New York - Clinton's home state, closed primary, election fraud, voter suppression, rigged voting machines, southern state, exit polls actually prove he won. 125k+ voters were purged from the voter database (nevermind that they were long-term democrats in an area in which Hillary won by over 20%)
Delaware - Part of the confederacy
Maryland - TIL: Northern blacks are just as dumb as their southern counterparts
Connecticut - All the corrupt Wall Street execs commute from there.
Pennsylvania - My mom made me clean my room so I couldn't vote. Clinton's campaign posted porn to our FB pages.
Indiana - The Clinton campaign is calling Bernie supporters to tell them he's dropped out..... oh wait, WE WON??? Well never mind then, there's nothing to see here, move along
Nevada (lost again!) - Some of our delegates showed up to a democratic convention in a democratic primary, but weren't registered as democrats, and they didn't let us in! Some showed up without proper ID, and they didn't let us in! We worked hard to steal the state away from Clinton, and them stealing it back is unfair!!! We clearly SCREAMED louder than the old ladies that were representing Clinton, therefore, we obviously should've won!
Kentucky - Election Fraud! Several complaints were filed in Jefferson County (which is the largest county, with the biggest minority population, and Hillary won by 15%)
Virgin Islands - Tax haven for the establishment! Not a real state. Shouldn't count
Puerto Rico - Election Fraud! Bernie pollsters couldn't get certified because they showed up too late. Bernie supporters stole ballot boxes (oh wait!). Deep south. They just don't know Bernie there. Dumb black people.
What did I miss???
I can always tell Bernie's internal polls must look pretty bad when he preemptively accuses HRC or the DNC of "election fraud".
Well, from the way the mainstream new media's "covering"--or rather, not covering--the Puerto Rico primary, it's obvious how they're going to act on Tuesday, ignoring Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, and South Dakota so as to give their undivided attention to the glamor state.
No "official" results on Puerto Rico yet.
However, this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4mncf6/puerto_rico_democratic_primary_megathread_june/
Apparently Messalina Agrippina has 70%, with the first few results trickling in.
According to an MSNBC reporter, some voters who were waiting in line in San Juan decided to leave rather than face the long lines.
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The commonwealth initially had 1,510 polling locations. But it announced last month that the number of polling locations would be cut to 455 for the Sunday primary.
Supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders were up in arms over the cuts, with supporters tweeting about the change. A "Sanders for President" reddit page also called the reduction "about as bad as Arizona" and dozens of Sanders supporters voiced concerns about the cuts on the page.
But the local party told MSNBC that the Sanders campaign had requested fewer stations.