Can't check right now due to a temporary bandwidth issue, are these two proportional or winner-take-all? On the Democrat side, Kentucky is a coal state (Albeit with a substantial Black population which no doubt she is counting on that to carry the day) and Oregon has more than its fair share of handout-loving young freeloaders.
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According to google, both allocate them based upon their percentage of the votes.
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According to google, both allocate them based upon their percentage of the votes.
I got a brother that works in Kentucky a lot. He said the other night there are Bernie signs and bumper stickers everywhere. I want Bernie to win as much as he can so it has to go to the convention. Nothing would be better than to watch the Bernies get crushed by the ruthless bitch.
Can't check right now due to a temporary bandwidth issue, are these two proportional or winner-take-all? On the Democrat side, Kentucky is a coal state (Albeit with a substantial Black population which no doubt she is counting on that to carry the day) and Oregon has more than its fair share of handout-loving young freeloaders.I've seen exactly one bernie bumper sticker here. I assume your brother is in the Louisville area?
Bern country, 'tis of thee
We must keep out Hillary
Of thee we sing
Land where the poor will die
So white men keep their pride
From ev'ry mountainside
Let's make Bernie King
Oh say can you see
By the bern's early light
How we proudly cast down
And invade all of Wall Street
Where the billionaires live
and they do evil things
Like let Hillary speak
and they pay her to do it
Let the billionaires burn
let the millionaires turn
into poor homeless people
who will march in the street
and the grand revolution of Bernie will bring
us a land of small banks
oh to bernie give thanks
O Bernie Sanders is our guy
We love amber haired Jane
And if he is not President
We will not be to blame
O Bernie Bros, O Bernie Bros, the President should be
In keeping with the brotherhood
Let's keep out Hillary
Oh shit, those are awful. :rotf:
6 things to know about Tuesday's primary in Kentucky
Hillary Clinton will find out Tuesday if she's still has many friends in Kentucky.
Kentucky's primary will feature local and federal races, topped by the contest between Clinton and Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination.
The Clintons have had success in Kentucky, with Bill Clinton winning the state both times in the 1990s and Hillary winning in the primary in 2008 against Barack Obama.
Sanders and Clinton will split 55 of the state's Democratic delegates based on the proportion of votes they receive. In addition to the 55 delegates, Kentucky Democrats will also send to the national convention five super delegates who aren't committed to a candidate, though two have already pledged support to Clinton, said Dan Lowry, spokesman for the Kentucky Democratic Party.....
.....Don't expect long lines. With the Republicans not having a presidential primary, it could be a low turnout. Secretary of State Grimes predicts 20 percent turnout statewide.....
Hillary Clinton Polls: Clinton Could Be Headed To Big Win In Oregon, Effectively Ending The Race For Bernie Sanders
Hillary Clinton may have a big surprise coming up this week with polls from Oregon showing her ahead in a state many thought would be a cake walk for Bernie Sanders.
Desperately needing momentum in his bid to pull off an upset in the Democratic primary, Sanders has been looking to Oregon as a chance to take a big chunk out of Clinton’s delegate lead. It is a progressive state with demographics favorable to Sanders, and he has drawn some huge crowds during his campaigning there.
“It felt like this is Bernie Sanders country,†said pollster John Horvick.....
.....But, the polls don’t reflect that. Horvick’s firm, DHM Research, showed that Hillary Clinton is actually leading Bernie Sanders and by a margin of 15 points. The poll had Clinton ahead 48 percent to 33 percent.....
There are plenty of reasons to believe the poll, as well, the Los Angeles Times notes.
“Oregon has a closed primary, meaning only registered Democrats can vote, and Sanders hasn’t won a closed primary yet in this campaign. Older voters are much more likely than their younger counterparts to be registered with a party, and they’re more likely to favor Clinton, giving her an edge.
“In addition, Horvick’s team calculated a second set of numbers based on a potential turnout where young voters and new voters cast ballots in higher numbers than normal.
“Even then, Clinton had a lead that exceeded the margin of error, 45% to 38%.â€
Poll: Despite Bernie Sanders' Crowds, Hillary Clinton Ahead In Oregon
A new poll shows Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump headed toward primary victories next week in Oregon.....
DHM Research surveyed 901 likely Oregon voters between May 6 and May 9 for OPB and Fox 12. Among Democrats, Clinton led U.S. Sen. Sanders 48 percent to 33 percent. Sanders has attracted adoring crowds at campaign appearances in Portland and Eugene — he’ll speak again Tuesday night in Salem — but the Democratic primary is a closed election. That means only registered Democrats can vote, and may help explain why Clinton leads in the poll......
Burlington College Feels the Bern! Will Close Thanks to Crushing Debt Acquired by Mrs. Bernie Sanders
One of the reasons Bernie Sanders is doing well with Millennials is because he’s promising free college for everyone.
In an ultimate twist of irony, his wife Jane Sanders was president of Burlington College in Vermont and racked up such large debts for the small school that she led it to ruin.
Burlington College announced today it will close after it was unable to recover from the crushing debt incurred under during Jane Sanders’ tenure as president of the institution......
.....The Sanders’ have partially released their 2014 tax return and on the return, Jane Sanders is still drawing a salary as an alternate commissioner for the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission......
Death Threats and Thrown Chairs: Is It Time to Ditch Caucuses?
Nebraska Democrats made their collective choice clear in March, when they voted by a 14-point margin in favor of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton. They voted again last week, and this time, it was the former secretary of state who got more votes, beating Sanders by 6 points.
If you add up the votes from each night, Clinton ends up slightly ahead, since many more people showed up to cast ballots in Nebraska's non-binding May 10 primary than in its March 5 caucuses. And yet Sanders is slated to head to the convention with more delegates from Nebraska than Clinton.....
.....the caucuses are also a cause of de facto discrimination, critics say, since hourly workers, the poor, parents of young children and others will not be able to commit to being in a certain place for two or three hours at a set time. Caucuses tend to attract more people with flexible schedules (such as students, a group of voters which helped Sanders win 11 of the 13 state caucuses held thus far).
But they also tend to attract voters on the extremes of their party, notes Jeremy Pope, co-director of the Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy at Brigham Young University.
Caucuses are democratic "in a broad sense," but "they are less representative. You end up with a more ideologically driven group of people," Pope says.
And as for Nebraska, with its mixed message on the Democratic contest? Voters there have "mixed feelings" about the process as well, says Paul Landow, a professor at the University of Nebraska Omaha.
"Caucuses seem to be neighborhood get-togethers for elites that have lots of leisure time, and they exclude working people who simply can't make the time," Landow says. "In my view, it discourages participation. I prefer old-fashioned voting.".....
Kentucky, Oregon Election Polls 2016: Bernie Sanders Trailing Hillary Clinton Ahead Of Democratic Primary Vote
After losing West Virginia last week to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will try to get back on the winning side of things Tuesday in Kentucky and Oregon's presidential primaries. The most recent polls show she could have a shot at taking both states.....
.....Despite recent victories for Sanders in West Virginia and Indiana, the delegate math is still heavily in Clinton's favor. The former secretary of state leads 1,716 to 1,433 in pledged delegates and 524 to 40 in superdelegates, according to the New York Times' count. Sanders would need to win some 70 percent of the remaining votes to tilt the delegate scale in his favor heading into the Democratic convention in July.....
Can Bernie Sanders Still Win? For Democrats, Contested Convention Unlikely To Turn Superdelegates Against Hillary Clinton
It's too late for Bernie Sanders to become the Democratic nominee simply by besting Hillary Clinton at the ballot box, but his latest plan to take her on at the Democratic convention in Philadelphia could also prove to be a dead end despite recent wins in Indiana and West Virginia.
The Vermont senator has increasingly urged superdelegates — Democratic officeholders and party leaders who are not bound to a candidate — to turn against Clinton and back his campaign. Sanders said neither he nor Clinton will get the majority delegates needed to win the nomination outright, so it's appropriate to have superdelegates evaluate who voters really want on the ballot in November and who is best positioned to take on Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, in the general election.....
....."In the state of Washington, we won that caucus with almost 73 percent of the vote there — 73 percent of the vote. In anybody's opinion, that is a massive landslide. But at this point Secretary Clinton has 10 superdelegates from the state of Washington, we have zero," Sanders has said. "I would ask the superdelegates from the state of Washington to respect the wishes from the people in their state and the votes they have cast."
But even if every superdelegate backed the winner of his or her state, Sanders still can’t win enough to nab the nomination. Only 15 percent of all of the Democratic delegates are supers. A candidate needs 2,383 delegates to win, and if Clinton keeps up her current level of support, she could win a majority of the pledged delegates by June 7. To tilt the scales, Sanders would need to win 70 percent of the vote in the remaining contests, a high bar that far exceeds how he has performed so far.....
.....In 2008, when Clinton was much closer to blocking Barack Obama from the nomination compared to Sanders' delegate total this year, she didn't contest the convention. Obama, who also couldn't win without superdelegates, became the nominee and went on to win in November and again in 2012.....
....."Clinton realized the damage that could be done to the party — and perhaps herself — so she didn't," the Washington Post noted of her decision not to push for a contested convention then. "Sanders doesn't share the former sentiment, as he has made clear. He was an independent until he decided to run for president, and his goal during his campaign has been to upend the system, into which a convention floor fight fits neatly.".....
Hillary Clinton keeps losing. So how come she's winning?
Bernie Sanders is on a roll. He's won the last two Democratic primaries and stands a good chance Tuesday of adding Oregon and perhaps Kentucky to his pile of victories.
Yet Hillary Clinton is likely to continue her seemingly unstoppable march to the party's presidential nomination.
How can that be?
It's not a conspiracy, as some angry Sanders backers suggest, a result of dark magic or a wrinkle in the time-space continuum. Rather, it's the rules that Democrats play by -- rules that now work to Clinton's advantage, even as they thwarted her candidacy eight years ago, when she lost a nominating fight to then-Sen. Barack Obama.
.....[in] last week's West Virginia primary. Sanders clobbered Clinton, 51% to 36%. But when delegates were divvied up, Sanders won 18 and Clinton 11. Adding in superdelegates, the results were much closer: Sanders walked away with 19 delegates and Clinton claimed 18. That means Sanders' landslide victory cut into Clinton's overall delegate lead by precisely one.....
.....Why does the party have superdelegates?
Because Democrats have two competing impulses. On the one hand, they fancy their party a model of inclusiveness and egalitarianism. On the other, they want to win elections.
What does that have to do with superdelegates?
After the party was torn asunder by the Vietnam War -- some Democrats believing Vice President Hubert Humphrey had been forced down their throats as the 1968 nominee -- leaders changed the nominating system to give more say to voters at the grass-roots level. But after the landslide defeat of George McGovern in 1972 and Jimmy Carter in 1980, the feeling was some recalibration was needed, leavening the will of the people with the presumed wisdom of political insiders. Hence the birth of superdelegates.....
.....Were superdelegates important the last time Clinton ran for president, in 2008?
Yes, they were. They helped push Obama past Clinton to win the Democratic nomination, even though he barely topped her in the overall popular vote and held a much narrower lead in the delegate count than Clinton enjoys today over Sanders.....
Nevada Democrats Warn DNC of Violence From Sanders Supporters
State party chairwoman has received death threats
A contentious Nevada Democratic convention this past weekend has led to a barrage of threats against the chairwoman of the state party.
And it's led the party's lawyer to send a rather remarkable letter to the Democratic National Committee, warning of the risk of violent outbursts at the national convention in Philadelphia.
"Having seen up close the lack of conscience or concern for the ramifications of their actions — indeed, the glee with which they engaged in such destructive behavior — we expect similar tactics at the national convention in July," wrote party counsel Bradley Schrager in a letter dated Monday. "We therefore formally complain to the DNC regarding these unfortunate events, and warn the body that the goal of many of these individuals, sanctioned or encouraged by the Sanders campaign, is not party-building but something more sinister and unproductive.".....
Just now on FNC . . .
C 50.0
S 39.7
Yeah, the infamous Democrat-run Harlan County just reported in, with Methuselah's bullies stealing it.
6:56 p.m.
While Hillary Clinton had a lead for most of the first hour of vote counting, as 7 p.m. neared and polls were set to close in the western part of the state, Bernie Sanders pulled ahead. With 7.39% of the vote counted, Sanders led by 362 votes
7:44 p.m.
In Jefferson County, with nearly 40% of vote counted, Hillary Clinton leads Bernie Sanders by 14.5 points.
7:39 p.m.
With 45 percent of the votes counted in the presidential primary, Bernie Sanders lead has narrowed to 1.5 points over Hillary Clinton.
8:21 p.m.
With 75 percent of the presidential primary votes counted, Hillary Clinton has swung back to a lead of 1,666 votes.
8:34 p.m.
Fayette County vote finally in after machine counting problems. Margin for Hillary Clinton now up to 4,044 votes with nearly 85 percent counted.
reformist2 (9,408 posts)
Election results look less and less real to me, and more like a fictional video game.
Obviously there's some basis in reality to these numbers coming in, but I can't help but think there's a lot of fudging going on in real time. As I've said before, I've lost faith in the official election results being accurate enough to be consistent with the real winner.
We need more transparency in order to believe these numbers. Or at least I do. I want to know who counts the votes, how they are counted, and whether there is any oversight, or checking, before the numbers are reported. In real time.
bkkyosemite (5,323 posts)
1. One of the counties (a big one) was holding at 8% for too long..even what's his name
on CNN thought it strange.
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2. Especially when Bernie loses nt
Skwmom (11,820 posts)
Keep smearing Bernie Supporters and see how that works out for you in November.
As woman I am sickened by the number of elected women Democrats who have no problem lying about and smearing people AND engaging in a crooked undemocratic process. Your behavior is contemptible. So keep up your manipulative games. It is only exposing the truth about you.
8:54 p.m.
With 92 percent of Kentucky vote counted, lead swings back to Bernie Sanders.
99% reporting...via fox, hillary got her squeaker
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Then the BernieBots have their reason to claim cheating. :yahoo:You know they were gonna do that either way
I have a circle of eastern KY millennials in my friends and acquaintances, it seems that a surprisingly large number of them are registered 'Independent' (Millennial thing, I guess, since there's no way in Hell this particular bunch would normally vote for anything but a Democrat) which means they couldn't vote in the closed primary. All Sandernistas, too. Dumbshits.
I personally expect Loretta Lynch to sit on the indictment decision until after the Democrats' convention, in order to ensure Hitlery gets the nomination from the superdelegate vote, because Obama's DOJ under both Holder and Lynch has proven to be much more interested in partisan politics than justice.
Once the nomination is solidly Hitlery's, Bernie becomes a dead letter, and even if the legal situation develops to the point Hitlery has to withdraw, Bernie is no longer a factor and the party can pick anyone they want instead of having to see the superdelegates reluctantly turn to Bernie at the convention.
It is therefore not entirely against the interests of the party as a whole to see it go to the convention and then see Bernie defeated by the final superdelegate vote there.