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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: txradioguy on May 11, 2016, 12:34:43 PM
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So , ever since I announced I would never vote for Donald Trump, I’ve received enraged tweets and letters calling me a shill for Hillary Clinton. A vote against Trump, the logic goes, is a vote for Hillary.
This is nonsense, for a variety of reasons.
First, the practical. A vote against Trump is technically half a vote against Hillary and half a vote against Trump. Let’s say that you’re the deciding vote in the presidential election. That’s right – congratulations! Sixty million Americans have voted for Trump, and sixty million have voted for Hillary. You instead cast your vote for Deez Nuts. You did not win the election for Hillary, nor did you lose it for Trump. Your vote didn’t count, essentially. In order for your vote to be a vote for Hillary, you must actually vote for Hillary. This is called elementary logic, for those keeping score at home.
Second, the ideological. Failing to vote for Trump is not a vote for Hillary. It is not even a statement that Hillary would be a better president than Trump. I believe that Trump would likely be a better president than Hillary, because it’s hard to imagine a worse president (other than President Obama). I also believe that Trump would destroy the conservative movement. And I prioritize the survival of conservatism more than beating Hillary Clinton. My top priority isn’t this election, but something more: the future of conservatism in America. That’s precisely what I wrote last week:
In every election cycle, the establishment insists that we unify behind a candidate who does not reflect conservatism because elections are always a choice between the two worst options. They blackmail conservatives into supporting candidates who undermine the message and morality of our mission. Now Trump does the same….Now is the time to say no. “No†is a useful tool. If conservatives don’t say “no†to Nelson Rockefeller in 1964, there is no Ronald Reagan. If conservatives don’t say “no†to Gerald Ford in 1976 and George H.W. Bush in 1980, there is no Ronald Reagan. And if we don’t say “no†to Donald Trump now, we will continue drifting ever further left, diluting conservatism into the vacillating, demagogic absurdity of Trumpism. Conservatism will become the crypto-racist, pseudo-strong, quasi-tyrannical, toxic brew leftists have always accused it of being.
Third, the moral. If Trump loses to Hillary, that’s not on the people who won’t vote for Trump. That’s on Trump and his supporters. It’s odd that all the Trump supporters claiming that Mitt Romney lost because he didn’t appeal to them properly are now blaming conservatives who won’t show up for Trump, even though Trump won’t appeal to them properly. If Trump wants us to show up, he could be conservative. It’s that simple.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/3960/no-failing-vote-trump-isnt-vote-hillary-ben-shapiro
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Ditto and H^5.
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If Trump loses to Hillary it's on Cruz for being a fraud.
Or, maybe Glen Beck for not fasting enough. Or not rolling his face in Cheetos sooner.
Or maybe it's just what the Republican and Democrat elite had planned all along.
At any rate, your much anticipated 'I told you so,' is going to lack all impact 'cause everyone will be like: You never stopped telling us so, Cassandra.
Cruz isn't going to be jumping out from behind some potted plant at the convention. I got a solicitation from him yesterday to fund his senate career.
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I voted libertarian in the last presidential. It might not have stood a chance, but my conscience was never better. I've talked to many people this time around that arent thrilled with hillary or trump and will be going libertarian this time
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If Trump loses to Hillary it's on Cruz for being a fraud.
Or, maybe Glen Beck for not fasting enough. Or not rolling his face in Cheetos sooner.
Or maybe it's just what the Republican and Democrat elite had planned all along.
At any rate, your much anticipated 'I told you so,' is going to lack all impact 'cause everyone will be like: You never stopped telling us so, Cassandra.
Cruz isn't going to be jumping out from behind some potted plant at the convention. I got a solicitation from him yesterday to fund his senate career.
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How is this any different that Obama blaming Bush for the failures of his policies? Seriously.
Do you realize what a childish train of thought that is?
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Failing to vote for Trump is doing your part to definitely make the SCOTUS a liberal judicial body and then you can kiss this country goodbye. Far more important than who lives in the White House.
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Failing to vote for Trump is doing your part to definitely make the SCOTUS a liberal judicial body and then you can kiss this country goodbye. Far more important than who lives in the White House.
After eight years of Obama I fear nothing. Trump gets my vote.
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No need to explain myself... just #nevertrump
Saved the viewers here a couple of minutes in the expedient explanation too.
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No need to explain myself... just #nevertrump
Saved the viewers here a couple of minutes in the expedient explanation too.
Lol, just the opposite for me, #neverhillary.
At this point, I'd vote for Trump's dog-at least the dog wouldn't be going out of his way to ruin the country further.
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How is this any different that Obama blaming Bush for the failures of his policies? Seriously.
Do you realize what a childish train of thought that is?
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I was simply riffing off your childish train of thought.
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Lol, just the opposite for me, #neverhillary.
At this point, I'd vote for Trump's dog-at least the dog wouldn't be going out of his way to ruin the country further.
Is the dog eligible? Because I'd vote for a dog for President.
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Failing to vote for Trump is doing your part to definitely make the SCOTUS a liberal judicial body and then you can kiss this country goodbye. Far more important than who lives in the White House.
Exactly. It's the realistic view.
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Bingo. No matter how moderate/lib Trump's picks might prove to be, Hitlery's would be worse.
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Lol, just the opposite for me, #neverhillary.
At this point, I'd vote for Trump's dog-at least the dog wouldn't be going out of his way to ruin the country further.
Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly. Proverbs 26-11
Nope... been there done that (voted for a conservative in name only)...
The problem with Trump is he keeps returning to his leftist side because he never really had a conservative side (NY values). It is all new to him. He suddenly this election says he is conservative, but when interviewed and he lets his guard down, he shows us what is truly underneath. Just like he did the other day with transvestites going to restrooms. Just like he did with Planned Parenthood. He is a populist. Eventually to try to garner votes he will start riding the fence. Like Hillary suddenly pretending to like coal. When it is like lukewarm, all you want to do is spew.
We all here are #neverHillary. I doubt you could find someone here that will vote Hillary if you tortured them. But associating not voting for Hillary as voting for her is dishonest.
But I will not be voting for some conspiracy theory idiot (Latest is Cruz's father helped Lee Harvey Oswald). No WMD and Bush is responsible for 9/11 crap. I can't stand McCain, but blaming him for being captured while dodging the draft (bone spurs my butt) is ludicrous.
The man is a ticking time bomb. I will not have my name as one that came close to claiming him as worthy of my vote. Sometimes there is none worthy of the vote and this is turning out to be one of those times.
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Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly. Proverbs 26-11
Nope... been there done that (voted for a conservative in name only)...
The problem with Trump is he keeps returning to his leftist side because he never really had a conservative side (NY values). It is all new to him. He suddenly this election says he is conservative, but when interviewed and he lets his guard down, he shows us what is truly underneath. Just like he did the other day with transvestites going to restrooms. Just like he did with Planned Parenthood. He is a populist. Eventually to try to garner votes he will start riding the fence. Like Hillary suddenly pretending to like coal. When it is like lukewarm, all you want to do is spew.
We all here are #neverHillary. I doubt you could find someone here that will vote Hillary if you tortured them. But associating not voting for Hillary as voting for her is dishonest.
But I will not be voting for some conspiracy theory idiot (Latest is Cruz's father helped Lee Harvey Oswald). No WMD and Bush is responsible for 9/11 crap. I can't stand McCain, but blaming him for being captured while dodging the draft (bone spurs my butt) is ludicrous.
The man is a ticking time bomb. I will not have my name as one that came close to claiming him as worthy of my vote. Sometimes there is none worthy of the vote and this is turning out to be one of those times.
I'd rather take a chance on Trump and find out that he actually has changed and become more conservative, rather than vote for a third-party candidate that has zero chance of winning, and find out that HilLIARy is further to the Left than Obama or Sanders ever were.
That's the choice, as I see it. Like your guns? Again, I would much rather take my chances on Trump and his SCOTUS nominees, than HilLIARy and her SCOTUS nominees. HilLIARy will continue Obama's legacy of executive action overreach if she doesn't get what she wants, and if you don't think that the 2nd Amendment isn't squarely in her sights, you're delusional. Merrick Garland, Obama's nominee to replace Antonin Scalia, has expressed a desire to revisit the Heller decision, which the McDonald v. Chicago decision is based on. He wants to overturn it. Do you want to be associated with that? HilLIARy will choose SCOTUS nominees that will be worse, if there's such a thing. She has advocated Australia-style gun confiscation. Are you okay with allowing a SCOTUS that would allow that?
That is what is at stake here.
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Trump was not even my fourth pick, but he's got my vote. It sucks, but he won. Nuff said.
KC
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I'd rather take a chance on Trump and find out that he actually has changed and become more conservative, rather than vote for a third-party candidate that has zero chance of winning, and find out that HilLIARy is further to the Left than Obama or Sanders ever were.
That's the choice, as I see it. Like your guns? Again, I would much rather take my chances on Trump and his SCOTUS nominees, than HilLIARy and her SCOTUS nominees. HilLIARy will continue Obama's legacy of executive action overreach if she doesn't get what she wants, and if you don't think that the 2nd Amendment isn't squarely in her sights, you're delusional. Merrick Garland, Obama's nominee to replace Antonin Scalia, has expressed a desire to revisit the Heller decision, which the McDonald v. Chicago decision is based on. He wants to overturn it. Do you want to be associated with that? HilLIARy will choose SCOTUS nominees that will be worse, if there's such a thing. She has advocated Australia-style gun confiscation. Are you okay with allowing a SCOTUS that would allow that?
That is what is at stake here.
H5 earned and issued.
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Trump was not even my fourth pick, but he's got my vote. It sucks, but he won. Nuff said.
KC
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Voting for Trump is the only thing I can do to help make sure Hillary does not win.
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Voting for Trump is the only thing I can do to help make sure Hillary does not win.
Agreed and with his recent statement that who uses what bathrooms belongs at the state level, his understanding of the 10th amendment is so far right of the "conservatives" currently in congress it's ridiculous.
I'm STILL waiting for the outrage from congress over his decree. Don't see it happenin..
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Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly. Proverbs 26-11
Nope... been there done that (voted for a conservative in name only)...
The problem with Trump is he keeps returning to his leftist side because he never really had a conservative side (NY values). It is all new to him. He suddenly this election says he is conservative, but when interviewed and he lets his guard down, he shows us what is truly underneath. Just like he did the other day with transvestites going to restrooms. Just like he did with Planned Parenthood. He is a populist. Eventually to try to garner votes he will start riding the fence. Like Hillary suddenly pretending to like coal. When it is like lukewarm, all you want to do is spew.
We all here are #neverHillary. I doubt you could find someone here that will vote Hillary if you tortured them. But associating not voting for Hillary as voting for her is dishonest.
But I will not be voting for some conspiracy theory idiot (Latest is Cruz's father helped Lee Harvey Oswald). No WMD and Bush is responsible for 9/11 crap. I can't stand McCain, but blaming him for being captured while dodging the draft (bone spurs my butt) is ludicrous.
The man is a ticking time bomb. I will not have my name as one that came close to claiming him as worthy of my vote. Sometimes there is none worthy of the vote and this is turning out to be one of those times.
This. A million times over, this.
Trump is a Leftist authoritarian. That is an undeniable fact that the Trump cult keeps trying to deny. I have no interest in casting my vote for an authoritarian Leftist. We've already tried that for most of eight years, and it's been a disaster.
Anyone who denies that Trump will simply be the third Obama term is nothing but a fool. Sorry if that offends, but that's just simple reality.
For myself, I will be pushing for Austin Petersen on the Libertarian ballot. If he doesn't make it, then I'll still quite happily vote for Gary Johnson. And on the morning of November 9, I'll have no problem at all looking right in the eye of the guy shaving across from me.
One way or the other, though, the GOP is dead. They have demonstrated beyond any hint of a doubt that they are not in any way a conservative party anymore. Trump, the titular head of the GOP, has specifically said that he doesn't want or need my vote. So be it, because it's not forthcoming. People like me will no longer be held hostage to a party that warmly embraces us, telling us how they'll represent our values, while slipping the knife between our ribs.
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Voting for Trump is the only thing I can do to help make sure Hillary does not win.
That's how I feel. It's the only thing I feel like I can do, but I can't imagine that treasonous bitch sitting in the White House.
KC
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I think that Trump is someone that must be endured, if we are to keep clinton out of the white house and end her political career.
CMD
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This. A million times over, this.
Trump is a Leftist authoritarian. That is an undeniable fact that the Trump cult keeps trying to deny. I have no interest in casting my vote for an authoritarian Leftist. We've already tried that for most of eight years, and it's been a disaster.
Anyone who denies that Trump will simply be the third Obama term is nothing but a fool. Sorry if that offends, but that's just simple reality.
For myself, I will be pushing for Austin Petersen on the Libertarian ballot. If he doesn't make it, then I'll still quite happily vote for Gary Johnson. And on the morning of November 9, I'll have no problem at all looking right in the eye of the guy shaving across from me.
One way or the other, though, the GOP is dead. They have demonstrated beyond any hint of a doubt that they are not in any way a conservative party anymore. Trump, the titular head of the GOP, has specifically said that he doesn't want or need my vote. So be it, because it's not forthcoming. People like me will no longer be held hostage to a party that warmly embraces us, telling us how they'll represent our values, while slipping the knife between our ribs.
I met Gary Johnson three years ago, and Austin Peterson earlier this year. I'd happily vote for either. I don't know enough about John McAfee to endorse him.
I met three other candidates two weeks ago at our state convention. Nice folks with good ideas, but they won't have the votes in Orlando for the nomination.
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The choice for those considering Trump should be simple.
Do you prefer a globalist vs. a nationalist?
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I'd rather take a chance on Trump and find out that he actually has changed and become more conservative, rather than vote for a third-party candidate that has zero chance of winning, and find out that HilLIARy is further to the Left than Obama or Sanders ever were.
That's the choice, as I see it. Like your guns? Again, I would much rather take my chances on Trump and his SCOTUS nominees, than HilLIARy and her SCOTUS nominees. HilLIARy will continue Obama's legacy of executive action overreach if she doesn't get what she wants, and if you don't think that the 2nd Amendment isn't squarely in her sights, you're delusional. Merrick Garland, Obama's nominee to replace Antonin Scalia, has expressed a desire to revisit the Heller decision, which the McDonald v. Chicago decision is based on. He wants to overturn it. Do you want to be associated with that? HilLIARy will choose SCOTUS nominees that will be worse, if there's such a thing. She has advocated Australia-style gun confiscation. Are you okay with allowing a SCOTUS that would allow that?
That is what is at stake here.
This. No, Trump is no walk in the park, but I'll be damned if I GIVE the vote to Clintoon because I'm pissy that a dyed-in-the-wool Repug didn't get on the ballot.
And, tell me, have the Republicans given ANY of us reason to vote for them?
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I was simply riffing off your childish train of thought.
No childish is the crap the Trumpbots spew which seems to equate any criticism or questioning of Orange Wonderful as support for Hillary.
THAT is childish.
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Bingo. No matter how moderate/lib Trump's picks might prove to be, Hitlery's would be worse.
And you know this how exactly?
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Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly. Proverbs 26-11
Nope... been there done that (voted for a conservative in name only)...
The problem with Trump is he keeps returning to his leftist side because he never really had a conservative side (NY values). It is all new to him. He suddenly this election says he is conservative, but when interviewed and he lets his guard down, he shows us what is truly underneath. Just like he did the other day with transvestites going to restrooms. Just like he did with Planned Parenthood. He is a populist. Eventually to try to garner votes he will start riding the fence. Like Hillary suddenly pretending to like coal. When it is like lukewarm, all you want to do is spew.
We all here are #neverHillary. I doubt you could find someone here that will vote Hillary if you tortured them. But associating not voting for Hillary as voting for her is dishonest.
But I will not be voting for some conspiracy theory idiot (Latest is Cruz's father helped Lee Harvey Oswald). No WMD and Bush is responsible for 9/11 crap. I can't stand McCain, but blaming him for being captured while dodging the draft (bone spurs my butt) is ludicrous.
The man is a ticking time bomb. I will not have my name as one that came close to claiming him as worthy of my vote. Sometimes there is none worthy of the vote and this is turning out to be one of those times.
QFT
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The choice for those considering Trump should be simple.
Do you prefer a globalist vs. a nationalist?
That's not much of a choice.
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And you know this how exactly?
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We don't know this, but we hope that he will follow through on his promises. With Hillary there is no hope. We know exactly what she will do. This seems a case of it is better to roll the dice and take a chance than to walk away from the table with a loss.
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We don't know this, but we hope that he will follow through on his promises. With Hillary there is no hope. We know exactly what she will do. This seems a case of it is better to roll the dice and take a chance than to walk away from the table with a loss.
Hope and Change Redux, or Orange is the new Black.
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Hope and Change Redux, or Orange is the new Black.
It's all we have to go on this election. Either Trump will keep his word or he won't. If he doesn't then we end up with Hillary any ways. If he keeps his word then he will be the hero.
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It's all we have to go on this election. Either Trump will keep his word or he won't. If he doesn't then we end up with Hillary any ways. If he keeps his word then he will be the hero.
I guess you're stuck with him, then. I hope you don't regret it.
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No childish is the crap the Trumpbots spew which seems to equate any criticism or questioning of Orange Wonderful as support for Hillary.
THAT is childish.
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All I hear from you is, "I know you are but what am I?" in a Peewee Herman voice.
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A vote against Trump is technically half a vote against Hillary and half a vote against Trump. Let’s say that you’re the deciding vote in the presidential election. That’s right – congratulations! Sixty million Americans have voted for Trump, and sixty million have voted for Hillary. You instead cast your vote for Deez Nuts. You did not win the election for Hillary, nor did you lose it for Trump. Your vote didn’t count, essentially. In order for your vote to be a vote for Hillary, you must actually vote for Hillary. This is called elementary logic, for those keeping score at home.
Wrong. In a tie, had you voted for Trump, Trump would have won. Doing nothing then adds weight to those who did something (vote for hitlary). Your non-vote is not silent -- it makes every vote for hitlery that much more potent.
But I have come to sighingly accept you worm eating tantrum-throwers. But as I properly blamed the not-liberal non-voters for obozo, thus I shall blame you and your ilk for a liberal SCOTUS. I do so hope you have progeny since the ruination of their lives will be your doing, not mine. I have none and thus am not only pure in my philosophy (since almost no POTUS nor SCOTUS can really affect me) but will not ruin the lives of other.
On your head be it.
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It's all we have to go on this election. Either Trump will keep his word or he won't. If he doesn't then we end up with Hillary any ways. If he keeps his word then he will be the hero.
He need only make 2 decisions: nominate a reasonable Conservative SCOTUS judge and modify the ROE so our military can WIN. I beleive he will do both.
If he kills obozocare, that is just a sweetener.
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No childish is the crap the Trumpbots spew which seems to equate any criticism or questioning of Orange Wonderful as support for Hillary.
THAT is childish.
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It is. Not voting for Trump removes a vote from the win column.
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I like the list of SCOTUS nominees he released today. If he can just follow through with it.
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I like the list of SCOTUS nominees he released today. If he can just follow through with it.
Worm-eaters will ensure he cannot.
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It is. Not voting for Trump removes a vote from the win column.
Trump's not gonna win. And even if by some miracle he does pullt it out...he's no different than Hillary.
Look...it appears that a LOT of people here have either forgotten or completely ignored two things about my posts here.
1) early on I defended Trump from attacks. Go back and look at my back and forth with TheStranger.
2) I have already said that I will have to end up voring for him in order to try and keep Hillary's signature OFF of my DA Retirement Certificate.
That being said...when the **** did it become the GOP stance that during the primaries...before our nominee is officially chosen...that we are to just STFU and get in line behind one person?
We have every right to question and probe and debate any issues or problems we have with whomever it might be taht gets the nod. Even if only one is still technically left in the race.
THAT'S what really chaps my ass at the end of the day about the Trumpbots...and their wash rinse and repeat rhetoric that somehow equates any questioning of Orange Wonderful as support for Hillary.
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I like the list of SCOTUS nominees he released today. If he can just follow through with it.
Given that he's made the statement that anything he says or policy statement he puts out now is merely a suggestion...it's a might big "if".
I hope he sticks with it. I hope he fights for them if he's President.
The only mistake I see in putting out a list like this now..with nothing but solid conservatives...is that it gives time for the Libs and the RINO's in Congress to gather ammo to ditch them.
Then that allows Trump to go *shrug* I tried but Congress won't go along...and then appoint a Liberal or at the very leat another Anthony Kennedy type to the bench.
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Given that he's made the statement that anything he says or policy statement he puts out now is merely a suggestion...it's a might big "if".
I hope he sticks with it. I hope he fights for them if he's President.
The only mistake I see in putting out a list like this now..with nothing but solid conservatives...is that it gives time for the Libs and the RINO's in Congress to gather ammo to ditch them.
Then that allows Trump to go *shrug* I tried but Congress won't go along...and then appoint a Liberal or at the very leat another Anthony Kennedy type to the bench.
I think he put it out now in an attempt to unify the party and if it works only time will tell. I am not happy with Trump and I don't like the guy. I hope that he surprises me and does the conservative thing, but right now he offers a chance of something different than the alternative. To many of the Rand Paul supports opted out last election and that ended with 4 more years of Obama. If Hillary should follow Obama and win then there is no doubt in my mind that hell will follow after her.
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I think he put it out now in an attempt to unify the party and if it works only time will tell. I am not happy with Trump and I don't like the guy. I hope that he surprises me and does the conservative thing, but right now he offers a chance of something different than the alternative. To many of the Rand Paul supports opted out last election and that ended with 4 more years of Obama. If Hillary should follow Obama and win then there is no doubt in my mind that hell will follow after her.
Exactly. If you thought Obama was bad with the IRS against conservatives, HilLIARy will be that to an infinite degree. It will be "all revenge, all the time."
If you don't want that, you need to vote for someone that can beat her. Third-party isn't going to happen, unless the Bernouts do it. The only reason they will do it is to keep her out of the White House. I wanted Scott Walker, but he was one of the very first guys out. Trump wasn't my second choice, or my third, or . . . You get the idea. Trump won. I'm supporting him, and I'm not going to look for his flaws--that just does the work of HilLIARy operatives for them.
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Exactly. If you thought Obama was bad with the IRS against conservatives, HilLIARy will be that to an infinite degree. It will be "all revenge, all the time."
If you don't want that, you need to vote for someone that can beat her. Third-party isn't going to happen, unless the Bernouts do it. The only reason they will do it is to keep her out of the White House. I wanted Scott Walker, but he was one of the very first guys out. Trump wasn't my second choice, or my third, or . . . You get the idea. Trump won. I'm supporting him, and I'm not going to look for his flaws--that just does the work of HilLIARy operatives for them.
What the Hillary supporters fail to see is that the Clintons see elected office as a for profit scheme. It appears she was selling preferred treatment to foreign and domestic companies who donated to her foundation. It also appears she and Bill both do speeches for big dollars to those who expect her and Bill to pull strings and get legislation passed favorable to them. Of course she would like the prestige of being the first woman President but I think she is really more interested in feathering her nest. Bill and Hillary's marriage is more of a financial cooperative than it is a loving relationship.
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Given that he's made the statement that anything he says or policy statement he puts out now is merely a suggestion...it's a might big "if".
I hope he sticks with it. I hope he fights for them if he's President.
The only mistake I see in putting out a list like this now..with nothing but solid conservatives...is that it gives time for the Libs and the RINO's in Congress to gather ammo to ditch them.
Then that allows Trump to go *shrug* I tried but Congress won't go along...and then appoint a Liberal or at the very leat another Anthony Kennedy type to the bench.
That's the reality, isn't it? If he puts out a list and conservatives like it, it's only so liberals and RINOs can purposefully undermine it. If he doesn't put out a list, then that means the worst thing you can imagine is true.
If you look for trouble, you will always find it. It's called 'autosuggestion.'
I prefer to look at the good things Trump has already done, which is a lot of exposing people and institutions for what they really are.
While I agree that it is true that Trump may be a disaster if elected, that is pretty much true for everyone running. It's time to stop with the slurs because we are already strapped into the roller coaster called Providence and it is going to do what it was designed to do. Cruz isn't going to jump out from behind a bush (maybe a Bush) and arrest Donald Trump at the convention and thus take his place. No amount of believing will cause that to happen.
We are at this point of history for a reason, that being the betrayal of the Republican Party which actually does like to be in the loosing position where they can simply raise money by kvetching about all the things the liberals they threw the race to are doing.
Now they will raise money by kvetching about Donald Trump. It's pathetic in its transparency. Bums have more dignity.
And love him or hate him, Donald Trump always comports himself with a certain sense of dignity and confidence.
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:beathorse: :beathorse: :beathorse: :beathorse: :beathorse:
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I think he put it out now in an attempt to unify the party and if it works only time will tell. I am not happy with Trump and I don't like the guy. I hope that he surprises me and does the conservative thing, but right now he offers a chance of something different than the alternative. To many of the Rand Paul supports opted out last election and that ended with 4 more years of Obama. If Hillary should follow Obama and win then there is no doubt in my mind that hell, and Obama, will follow after her.
Don't think for one second jugears will ride off into the sunset. That sucker will be the shadow government, with Val Jar-Jar in his ear.
It would be worse than what we have now times two.
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Did you vote for McCain and Romney? I know I did and I didn't want to!!! #neverhillary
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Don't think for one second jugears will ride off into the sunset. That sucker will be the shadow government, with Val Jar-Jar in his ear.
It would be worse than what we have now times two.
I consider Debra Wash-her-mans-shorts to be Jar-Jar. She even looks like him.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/JarJarSchultz_zpscqqtt7wf.jpg)
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I've never been a "if you don't vote for A, then you helped B" person. To me, it cheapens the whole voting process. Your vote is your vote. Your non-vote is your non-vote.
If you like Trump, vote for him. If you choose to vote to keep Hillary out, then go for it. If you can't stand either one, then don't vote for either one. I understand how different conservatives could choose any of these options.
But to get onto someone for their choice? I can't see where that gets any of us.
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I consider Debra Wash-her-mans-shorts to be Jar-Jar. She even looks like him.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/JarJarSchultz_zpscqqtt7wf.jpg)
The resemblance is uncanny.
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I've never been a "if you don't vote for A, then you helped B" person. To me, it cheapens the whole voting process. Your vote is your vote. Your non-vote is your non-vote.
If you like Trump, vote for him. If you choose to vote to keep Hillary out, then go for it. If you can't stand either one, then don't vote for either one. I understand how different conservatives could choose any of these options.
But to get onto someone for their choice? I can't see where that gets any of us.
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Exactly.
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The resemblance is uncanny.
You know, I've seen that movie like three times. The last time I watched it was specifically to see if I could understand what Jar-Jar said. I didn't understand 90% of his/it's lines. Gibberish to me. (As was the movie).
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You know, I've seen that movie like three times. The last time I watched it was specifically to see if I could understand what Jar-Jar said. I didn't understand 90% of his/it's lines. Gibberish to me. (As was the movie).
The closed captioning doesn't help a bit. It's not even Authentic Frontier Gibberish!
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But I have come to sighingly accept you worm eating tantrum-throwers.
I'm so tired of hearing this stuff from both sides of the argument.
If you don't understand TRG's online personality by now, you never will. He is a good guy, he likes to debate and he throws all he has behind any cause he believes strongly in. It goes along with his career, which involves fact seeking, critical thinking and quick decision making.
I just don't want to see people walk away enemies over a freaking election that we don't have a lot of individual control over.
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It's all we have to go on this election. Either Trump will keep his word or he won't. If he doesn't then we end up with Hillary any ways. If he keeps his word then he will be the hero.
Very true; however Trump hasn't kept his word yet on anything that he has stated. He has flip-flopped on every issue. I believe the outcome will be the same regardless if we vote for Trump or Hillary.
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I believe the outcome will be the same regardless if we vote for Trump or Hillary.
I dunno. I think potentially Trump could be much worse than Hillary. Republicans could block Hillary's ideas and plans (They wouldn't, since they haven't done so with Obama.), and people would say it's politics as usual.
However, Trump could theoretically and likely would back some democrat plans and people would expect republicans to go along with him.
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I dunno. I think potentially Trump could be much worse than Hillary. Republicans could block Hillary's ideas and plans (They wouldn't, since they haven't done so with Obama.), and people would say it's politics as usual.
However, Trump could theoretically and likely would back some democrat plans and people would expect republicans to go along with him.
So our choices are a proven liar and a theoretical liar.
Awesome job, 'murica.
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I dunno. I think potentially Trump could be much worse than Hillary. Republicans could block Hillary's ideas and plans (They wouldn't, since they haven't done so with Obama.), and people would say it's politics as usual.
However, Trump could theoretically and likely would back some democrat plans and people would expect republicans to go along with him.
That's a very real possibility. Secondly, the DEMS only need to take 5 seats in the Senate in order to retake the majority. It is the Senate that votes on the justices. Liberal Donny could very well appoint liberal justices to get their approval.
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If Trump loses to Hillary it's on Cruz for being a fraud.
Or, maybe Glen Beck for not fasting enough. Or not rolling his face in Cheetos sooner.
Or maybe it's just what the Republican and Democrat elite had planned all along.
At any rate, your much anticipated 'I told you so,' is going to lack all impact 'cause everyone will be like: You never stopped telling us so, Cassandra.
Cruz isn't going to be jumping out from behind some potted plant at the convention. I got a solicitation from him yesterday to fund his senate career.
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It's been a while since I've posted here, more lurking mode. I have noticed there are certain people here who obviously have made it their business to spew their lies and dissent. They shall go unnamed as most know who they are.
If it weren't Trump they were attacking, it would be Cruz or Kasich or Rubio or Jeb or another other of the GOP candidates. You see, they aren't "principled Conservatives", they are what we call in the business "Democrats" or "Hillary Supporters". They use the same talking points as that veteran who was attacking Trump with another 10 of his friends. Don't get sucked in by the lies and negative nabobbery. They are basically pot-stirrers.
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I have noticed there are certain people here who obviously have made it their business to spew their lies and dissent. They shall go unnamed as most know who they are.
If it weren't Trump they were attacking, it would be....
Since you are too chickenshit to name names and I don't support Trump (and "certain people" mean more than one). I will respond.
I have video/pictures of me holding a huge Sore/Loserman sign at the corner main intersection in town (2000 election cycle) and video of me going to vote decked out with all my Reagan political pins on my jacket. I doubt anyone would convict me of being a democrat even though I dislike Trump. Hell I even named a kid after Reagan. Lets just say I would have evidence of not being a liberal. From the bumpersticker (Roy Moore) to the FB pages of constant Conservative christian junk (thus I only facebook with a few close conservative friends). If liberals got absolute power I would probable hang if taken alive.
You?
Trump on the other hand, I doubt there is any evidence of him actually being consistently conservative beyond the talk this election (and flip flops back to being a social liberal).
Screaming liberal at those that don't support Trump is not the way to endear them to switch their minds is my advice. There is a minimum line a candidate must cross to get my vote. Trump does not come close to reaching it. From abortion to ethanol to gun rights to ways he acts like a spoiled snotty child, it all was considered. That is all.
In a pissing contest on who is more Christian conservative (Christian foremost), I might lose to few on this very forum, but it would be very few especially in contrast with the general voting public. I don't claim the same in other categories such as raw intellect (my wife is far more intelligent but concentrates on religious matters).
BTW... Trump put out a list for SCOTUS possible candidates that included Pryor. Here is Pryor grilling Judge Moore for being religious. Litmus test for office anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWRDn7zsIbk
Here is a picture from couple days ago... Sister and I went to support Roy Moore at a rally in Montgomery. I am not in the picture, but I was there. (personally not too keen on photographing myself since it always shows the same big ugly fellow in it). One of the speakers (Young) loaned sis the banner for the picture.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/35lz0ns.jpg)
Yep, you can elect a Cathlyn Jenners Transsexual supporter like Trump who invites perverts into his bathrooms. You can elect someone that would put godless pushing people in the SCOTUS if you want. But don't expect this voter to just hop skip jump in line behind ya. Conservative does not = vote whomever gets thrown in front of us. Trump supporters used to lament that was the problem, the GOPe just throwing junk in front of us to vote. Perhaps Trump supporters were the GOPe all along. Every year, just a little more secular liberal.
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Sorry for the rant, but few things get my goat more than the "you're a liberal cause you don't support Trump" statements...
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Since you are too chickenshit to name names and I don't support Trump (and "certain people" mean more than one). I will respond.
I have video/pictures of me holding a huge Sore/Loserman sign at the corner main intersection in town (2000 election cycle) and video of me going to vote decked out with all my Reagan political pins on my jacket. I doubt anyone would convict me of being a democrat even though I dislike Trump. Hell I even named a kid after Reagan. Lets just say I would have evidence of not being a liberal. From the bumpersticker (Roy Moore) to the FB pages of constant Conservative christian junk (thus I only facebook with a few close conservative friends). If liberals got absolute power I would probable hang if taken alive.
You?
Trump on the other hand, I doubt there is any evidence of him actually being consistently conservative beyond the talk this election (and flip flops back to being a social liberal).
Screaming liberal at those that don't support Trump is not the way to endear them to switch their minds is my advice. There is a minimum line a candidate must cross to get my vote. Trump does not come close to reaching it. From abortion to ethanol to gun rights to ways he acts like a spoiled snotty child, it all was considered. That is all.
In a pissing contest on who is more Christian conservative (Christian foremost), I might lose to few on this very forum, but it would be very few especially in contrast with the general voting public. I don't claim the same in other categories such as raw intellect (my wife is far more intelligent but concentrates on religious matters).
BTW... Trump put out a list for SCOTUS possible candidates that included Pryor. Here is Pryor grilling Judge Moore for being religious. Litmus test for office anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWRDn7zsIbk
Here is a picture from couple days ago... Sister and I went to support Roy Moore at a rally in Montgomery. I am not in the picture, but I was there. (personally not too keen on photographing myself since it always shows the same big ugly fellow in it). One of the speakers (Young) loaned sis the banner for the picture.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/35lz0ns.jpg)
Yep, you can elect a Cathlyn Jenners Transsexual supporter like Trump who invites perverts into his bathrooms. You can elect someone that would put godless pushing people in the SCOTUS if you want. But don't expect this voter to just hop skip jump in line behind ya. Conservative does not = vote whomever gets thrown in front of us. Trump supporters used to lament that was the problem, the GOPe just throwing junk in front of us to vote. Perhaps Trump supporters were the GOPe all along. Every year, just a little more secular liberal.
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Sorry for the rant, but few things get my goat more than the "you're a liberal cause you don't support Trump" statements...
Well look at you. Teddy give you a nice little "confidence" nuzzle?
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Well look at you. Teddy give you a nice little "confidence" nuzzle?
Say I wanted a little nuzzle, which bathroom would I step in this week according to Trump?
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Say I wanted a little nuzzle, which bathroom would I step in this week according to Trump?
(http://i65.tinypic.com/25hhgqq.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/9pp543.jpg)
Gotta steal those. :hi5:
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Say I wanted a little nuzzle, which bathroom would I step in this week according to Trump?
(http://i65.tinypic.com/25hhgqq.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/9pp543.jpg)
Why would that apply to Trump? Cruz is the guy who pretends to be something he isn't.
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Why would that apply to Trump? Cruz is the guy who pretends to be something he isn't.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Why would that apply to Trump? Cruz is the guy who pretends to be something he isn't.
When you post using an alias you lose all credibility accusing someone of being something they aren't.
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When you post using an alias you lose all credibility accusing someone of being something they aren't.
Is FlaGator your first name or last?