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Title: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 31, 2008, 02:12:53 PM
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Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says

(CNN) -- As horrified travelers watched, a Greyhound Canada bus passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated a young man who was sitting and sleeping beside him, a witness said Thursday.

 "There was a bloodcurdling scream. I was just reading my book, and all of a sudden, I heard it," Garnet Caton, who was sitting in front of the two men, said of the Wednesday night incident west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba.

"It was like something between a dog howling and a baby crying, I guess you could say," Caton said. "I don't think it will leave me for a while."

Passengers exited the bus, and a trucker who stopped provided wrenches and crowbars to several of them so they could keep the suspect on the bus until police came, witnesses told Canadian TV. After a standoff, police took the man into custody early Saturday.

The names of the victim and the suspect were not immediately released. Caton told The Associated Press the victim appeared to be about 19 years old and had gotten on the bus in Edmonton.

More (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/31/canada.bus/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail)

i heard it earlier on the radio... any new news?


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Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: BlueStateSaint on July 31, 2008, 02:25:27 PM
Unfortunately, yes.

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Knife-wielding man beheads fellow passenger on bus

Jul 31 12:44 PM US/Eastern

A passenger traveling on a bus across Canada's vast Western plains stabbed, gutted and decapitated a man seated next to him in an unexplained attack, a witness told media Thursday.
 
The victim had been sleeping before he was repeatedly stabbed in the chest by a man with a large knife, witness Garnet Caton told public broadcaster CBC.

The other 35 passengers and driver were jolted by "blood-curdling screams" and fled. "He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton.

When Caton and two others returned to check on the victim, he said they saw the attacker "cutting the guy's head off and gutting him."

No one tried to stop it while it was going on. :( :censored:

The rest is at:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080731164359.ewx3rtpg&show_article=1

 

Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: Lauri on July 31, 2008, 02:28:49 PM
oh God... i cant stand to read the story... the description i heard on the radio was just horrific.

i will have to keep the news off tonight.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: mamacags on July 31, 2008, 04:11:32 PM
How are they supposed to stop him when the government there has taken away every defense item they could think of.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: JohnnyReb on July 31, 2008, 04:17:29 PM
Wonder if the muderer was a Muzzie? ....and if so, what name other than Muslim will the news media use?
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: DixieBelle on July 31, 2008, 04:59:35 PM
WTF?!? Seriously!

Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: Lauri on July 31, 2008, 05:42:59 PM
Wonder if the muderer was a Muzzie? ....and if so, what name other than Muslim will the news media use?

so far, on the radio spots that ive heard, they are not identifying the killer yet.

but im pretty much betting its a Muslim.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: bijou on July 31, 2008, 05:52:44 PM
Wonder if the muderer was a Muzzie? ....and if so, what name other than Muslim will the news media use?

so far, on the radio spots that ive heard, they are not identifying the killer yet.

but im pretty much betting its a Muslim.
I think we can refer to such people as MONAS (http://houseofdumb.blogspot.com/search?q=men+of+no+appearance) - men of no appearance whose ethnic origins never appear in any report or appeal for witnesses.  Also known as Mondeos - men of no discernible ethnic origin.  :-)
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: TheSarge on July 31, 2008, 06:10:03 PM
"When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy's head off and pretty much gutting him up," Caton told the CBC.

The attacker reportedly lunged at the three men, who managed to trap him inside the bus until authorities arrived.

"While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us," said Caton.

Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead told Brandon radio station CKLQ that the man "dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395313,00.html
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: TheSarge on July 31, 2008, 06:12:45 PM
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Charges have not yet been laid, and the suspect has not yet been interviewed, said RCMP spokesman Staff Sgt. Steve Colwell, adding that he could release no further information on the investigation.

The RCMP declined to identify either the suspect or the victim.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html



Yup he's a Muslim.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Lauri on July 31, 2008, 06:32:37 PM
"When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy's head off and pretty much gutting him up," Caton told the CBC.

The attacker reportedly lunged at the three men, who managed to trap him inside the bus until authorities arrived.

"While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us," said Caton.

Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead told Brandon radio station CKLQ that the man "dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395313,00.html


and again, nobody was able to think fast enough to jump this guy as a group? i know a knife is probaby a scary as hell prospect, but they didnt even try and disarm him or stop the killing??

i just dont get it. has the state taken over so much that we dont even know what to do? or defend each other from attacks? if this had been a child, would they have just left them behind and escaped the bus??

Good Lord help us all.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Willow on July 31, 2008, 06:36:52 PM
"When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy's head off and pretty much gutting him up," Caton told the CBC.

The attacker reportedly lunged at the three men, who managed to trap him inside the bus until authorities arrived.

"While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us," said Caton.

Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead told Brandon radio station CKLQ that the man "dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395313,00.html


and again, nobody was able to think fast enough to jump this guy as a group? i know a knife is probaby a scary as hell prospect, but they didnt even try and disarm him or stop the killing??

i just dont get it. has the state taken over so much that we dont even know what to do? or defend each other from attacks? if this had been a child, would they have just left them behind and escaped the bus??

Good Lord help us all.


I don't know, call me a coward but if I saw someone sawing off someone's head I'd have a hard time being brave! I imagine one goes into shock seeing something so evil as a beheading.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Lauri on July 31, 2008, 06:40:46 PM
"When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy's head off and pretty much gutting him up," Caton told the CBC.

The attacker reportedly lunged at the three men, who managed to trap him inside the bus until authorities arrived.

"While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us," said Caton.

Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead told Brandon radio station CKLQ that the man "dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395313,00.html


and again, nobody was able to think fast enough to jump this guy as a group? i know a knife is probaby a scary as hell prospect, but they didnt even try and disarm him or stop the killing??

i just dont get it. has the state taken over so much that we dont even know what to do? or defend each other from attacks? if this had been a child, would they have just left them behind and escaped the bus??

Good Lord help us all.


I don't know, call me a coward but if I saw someone sawing off someone's head I'd have a hard time being brave! I imagine one goes into shock seeing something so evil as a beheading.

oh no doubt, but the beheading (according to the article) came later.. the people on the bus just ran down the aisle and left the victim to be killed.

i honestly have no idea what i'd do - but im thinking a concealed weapon would have helped a bit. granted, this is canada we're talking about..
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Rebel on July 31, 2008, 06:41:41 PM
No way could I have let this shit happen. Are you guys sure this f'er was a Muslim? Beheading? Yes. Gutting? Doesn't fit the pattern.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Lauri on July 31, 2008, 06:43:50 PM
No way could I have let this shit happen. Are you guys sure this f'er was a Muslim? Beheading? Yes. Gutting? Doesn't fit the pattern.

i only skimmed the article but they seemed pretty careful not to identify him one way or another.

now if he'd been a teacher or conservative, we'd know that right away.

granted, this is still canada we're talking about..
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: DixieBelle on July 31, 2008, 06:45:16 PM
it also said he got off the bus at a stop and took a smoke break with other passengers. Wouldn't a Muslim radical shun smoking? Heck anything is possible. Just thinking outloud.....
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: LC EFA on July 31, 2008, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: Rebel
No way could I have let this shit happen. Are you guys sure this f'er was a Muslim? Beheading? Yes. Gutting? Doesn't fit the pattern.

I've looked at a few sources of this and that information isn't out there.

Far more likely in this case that it was one of the patients of Canada's wonderful "free" psychiatric facilities that just snapped.
 
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Rebel on July 31, 2008, 06:48:48 PM
it also said he got off the bus at a stop and took a smoke break with other passengers. Wouldn't a Muslim radical shun smoking? Heck anything is possible. Just thinking outloud.....

Hell no, they smoke like f'n chimneys.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: Chris_ on July 31, 2008, 06:49:15 PM
How are they supposed to stop him when the government there has taken away every defense item they could think of.

Next up -- licenses for crowbars and wrenches.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Toastedturningtidelegs on July 31, 2008, 06:52:27 PM
it also said he got off the bus at a stop and took a smoke break with other passengers. Wouldn't a Muslim radical shun smoking? Heck anything is possible. Just thinking outloud.....

Hell no, they smoke like f'n chimneys.
So do the Israelis! Must be a middle eastern thing.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: LC EFA on July 31, 2008, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs
Quote from: Rebel
Quote from: DixieBelle
it also said he got off the bus at a stop and took a smoke break with other passengers. Wouldn't a Muslim radical shun smoking? Heck anything is possible. Just thinking outloud.....
Hell no, they smoke like f'n chimneys.
So do the Israelis! Must be a middle eastern thing.

They don't smoke ; they smolder.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: TheSarge on July 31, 2008, 06:56:27 PM

and again, nobody was able to think fast enough to jump this guy as a group? i know a knife is probaby a scary as hell prospect, but they didnt even try and disarm him or stop the killing??



IMHO...given how lawsuit happy people are these days...I feel sure that if the passengers had given this idiot the Richard Reid treatment some slimy ambulance chaser would have been there willing to make the perp rich by filing charges on his behalf agaist the other passengers that stopped him from beheading his seat mate.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Ptarmigan on July 31, 2008, 07:33:24 PM
That's really ****ed up! What is wrong with some people????????????  :mental:
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Airwolf on July 31, 2008, 09:32:33 PM
I heard this on the radio at work. This is just one more reason why,among many, we should never ,ever let the liberals like Chuck U Schumer get anti gun laws passed. As has already been said a person or persons armed with a gun could have at least saved the taxpayers money on having to house this nutcase for however long he lives.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: djones520 on July 31, 2008, 09:37:10 PM
Unfortunately, yes.

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Knife-wielding man beheads fellow passenger on bus

Jul 31 12:44 PM US/Eastern

A passenger traveling on a bus across Canada's vast Western plains stabbed, gutted and decapitated a man seated next to him in an unexplained attack, a witness told media Thursday.
 
The victim had been sleeping before he was repeatedly stabbed in the chest by a man with a large knife, witness Garnet Caton told public broadcaster CBC.

The other 35 passengers and driver were jolted by "blood-curdling screams" and fled. "He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton.

When Caton and two others returned to check on the victim, he said they saw the attacker "cutting the guy's head off and gutting him."

No one tried to stop it while it was going on. :( :censored:

The rest is at:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080731164359.ewx3rtpg&show_article=1

 



I've trained in the martial arts my whole life.  I am not going to willingly go after a man whose holding a big ****ing knife, in an enclosed area, while I'm unarmed. 

The rest of the people where smart.  If it had been a life or death (for everyone) situation like a plane hijacking, then yeah, no hesitation, but the deed was done, no one could save the guy at that point, and people had a means to get to safety, while ensuring that this guy didn't escape.  They did exactly what they had they should have done.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: Rebel on July 31, 2008, 10:03:41 PM
I've trained in the martial arts my whole life.  I am not going to willingly go after a man whose holding a big ****ing knife, in an enclosed area, while I'm unarmed. 

The rest of the people where smart.  If it had been a life or death (for everyone) situation like a plane hijacking, then yeah, no hesitation, but the deed was done, no one could save the guy at that point, and people had a means to get to safety, while ensuring that this guy didn't escape.  They did exactly what they had they should have done.

If you're going to sit idly by while someone is being bludgeoned to death because you don't want to get hurt, you're acting in a very cowardly way. I don't understand that mindset. If he had an Uzi, maybe. Then again, there is always a way to disarm someone with a firearm if he's distracted. A knife? When he's over-manned? Sure, you might get cut in the process, something that "I" personally would take out on the sumbitch, but a kid wouldn't be headless right now. No ****ing way in hell would I sit idly by and watch something like that go on. I've been in similar situations before.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: djones520 on July 31, 2008, 10:14:27 PM
I've trained in the martial arts my whole life.  I am not going to willingly go after a man whose holding a big ****ing knife, in an enclosed area, while I'm unarmed. 

The rest of the people where smart.  If it had been a life or death (for everyone) situation like a plane hijacking, then yeah, no hesitation, but the deed was done, no one could save the guy at that point, and people had a means to get to safety, while ensuring that this guy didn't escape.  They did exactly what they had they should have done.

If you're going to sit idly by while someone is being bludgeoned to death because you don't want to get hurt, you're acting in a very cowardly way. I don't understand that mindset. If he had an Uzi, maybe. Then again, there is always a way to disarm someone with a firearm if he's distracted. A knife? When he's over-manned? Sure, you might get cut in the process, something that "I" personally would take out on the sumbitch, but a kid wouldn't be headless right now. No ****ing way in hell would I sit idly by and watch something like that go on. I've been in similar situations before.

Back on Milnet a couple years ago, I believe it was Dragonsoldier who posted a thread that showed what happened to a cop when he decided to go after an assailant with a knife, unarmed, because he thought using a gun was excessive force.  That TRAINED police officer got cut to ribbons.  The pictures where not pretty.

For someone unarmed to go after a knife weilding psycho (which is exactly what this guy was) in an enclosed area like a bus, when he had the option to get off the bus and keep the man detained (like what was done), he would be putting his life needlessly at risk, and most likely would have been majorly wounded, if not outright killed.

The victim was dead already.  By the time the people realized what was happening he had to have been stabbed several times.  By the time anyone could have thought of reacting and attempting to stop him, it would have been far to late already.  There was no saving this guy.  So what is the point of needlessly risking your life to apprehend him, when you can get to a safe location, and still ensure that this guy couldn't escape?
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: mamacags on July 31, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
I have to agree with Djones.  They didn't say what kind of knife it was either.  It couldn't have been small to do that much damage.  I guess it could have even been a machete.  That being said if I were there and had a gun I would have shot him in a heartbeat.  It doesn't seem to be the case that anyone had any means of defending themselves.
Title: Re: Beheading on a bus in Canada??
Post by: Rebel on July 31, 2008, 10:22:56 PM
Back on Milnet a couple years ago, I believe it was Dragonsoldier who posted a thread that showed what happened to a cop when he decided to go after an assailant with a knife, unarmed, because he thought using a gun was excessive force.  That TRAINED police officer got cut to ribbons.  The pictures where not pretty.

For someone unarmed to go after a knife weilding psycho (which is exactly what this guy was) in an enclosed area like a bus, when he had the option to get off the bus and keep the man detained (like what was done), he would be putting his life needlessly at risk, and most likely would have been majorly wounded, if not outright killed.

The victim was dead already.  By the time the people realized what was happening he had to have been stabbed several times.  By the time anyone could have thought of reacting and attempting to stop him, it would have been far to late already.  There was no saving this guy.  So what is the point of needlessly risking your life to apprehend him, when you can get to a safe location, and still ensure that this guy couldn't escape?

It's a helluva lot easier to combat an assailant with a knife in an enclosed area like a bus than it is out in the open. Also, there's nothing that says that kid would have died. He would have needed major surgery, but I've seen worse than stab wounds be treated with success.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Rebel on July 31, 2008, 10:25:02 PM
I have to agree with Djones.  They didn't say what kind of knife it was either.  It couldn't have been small to do that much damage.  I guess it could have even been a machete.  That being said if I were there and had a gun I would have shot him in a heartbeat.  It doesn't seem to be the case that anyone had any means of defending themselves.

...and that's your prerogative. I'm not going to sit idly by while some lunatic is trying to kill a kid. Knife or not, I feel it's my job as a human being to help my fellow human out in cases such as that. Could I have been stabbed? Maybe. Cut? More than likely. However, leaving this lunatic be would, well, you see how it turned out.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 31, 2008, 10:53:09 PM

it actually gets worse.  there is a good bit more detail at the link

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Man on Greyhound bus stabbed, then beheaded (http://www.dglobe.com/articles/index.cfm?id=13504&section=homepage)

[snip]
"We heard this bloodcurdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly," Caton said from a hotel in Brandon, Manitoba, where he and other horrified passengers were taken.

Caton said the driver stopped the bus when he became aware of the attack and passengers scrambled off. A short while later, Caton said he re-boarded along with the bus driver and a trucker who had stopped to see what was happening.

He said the suspect had the victim on the floor of the bus and "was cutting his head off" with a large hunting knife.

"When he was attacking him, he was calm," said Caton. "There was no rage or, or anything. He was just like a robot stabbing the guy."

The attacker turned toward them and the three men quickly left the bus, blocking the door as the attacker slashed at them through an opening. The three secured the door to prevent the man's escape. Caton said the driver disabled the vehicle after the attacker tried to drive it away.

As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head.

[snip]
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: djones520 on July 31, 2008, 11:09:11 PM
This dude was twisted beyond all belief...
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: jinxmchue on August 01, 2008, 10:38:20 AM
Despite the horror, there still is some good in the world:

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Once they are released, Greyhound will take them by bus to Winnipeg, and "we will do whatever is required to help them, and that includes counseling," she added.

 :II:
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: jinxmchue on August 01, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
UPDATE: Suspect identified - Vince Weiguang Li.  Probably not Muslim, but some of those Asian cultures are just as FUBAR.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/08/01/canada.beheading/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Bad choice of words in part of that, though:

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Colwell praised the "extraordinary" level-headedness and bravery of the bus driver and passengers.

Was that supposed to be a really tasteless joke?
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: PatriotGame on August 01, 2008, 10:51:12 AM

it actually gets worse.  there is a good bit more detail at the link

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Man on Greyhound bus stabbed, then beheaded (http://www.dglobe.com/articles/index.cfm?id=13504&section=homepage)

[snip]
"We heard this bloodcurdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly," Caton said from a hotel in Brandon, Manitoba, where he and other horrified passengers were taken.

Caton said the driver stopped the bus when he became aware of the attack and passengers scrambled off. A short while later, Caton said he re-boarded along with the bus driver and a trucker who had stopped to see what was happening.

He said the suspect had the victim on the floor of the bus and "was cutting his head off" with a large hunting knife.

"When he was attacking him, he was calm," said Caton. "There was no rage or, or anything. He was just like a robot stabbing the guy."

The attacker turned toward them and the three men quickly left the bus, blocking the door as the attacker slashed at them through an opening. The three secured the door to prevent the man's escape. Caton said the driver disabled the vehicle after the attacker tried to drive it away.

As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head.

[snip]

Where's Tom in Tib when you need him?  :o
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Chris_ on August 01, 2008, 10:53:21 AM
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"He sat in the front at first; everything was normal," Caton said. "We went to the next stop, and he got off and had a smoke with another young lady there. When he got on the bus again, he came to the back near where I was sitting. He put his bags in the overhead compartment. He didn't say a word to anybody. He seemed totally normal."

Half an hour later, the attack began, Caton told the AP. "There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy."

Crazy.  :(
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Willow on August 01, 2008, 11:35:08 AM
why second degree murder?
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: jinxmchue on August 01, 2008, 02:05:31 PM
why second degree murder?

Not pre-meditated.  Spur of the moment.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Rebel on August 01, 2008, 02:16:38 PM
Second-degree? That is messed the hell up. It could be reduced to manslaughter.  :censored:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:l_VIII-gb:s_229//en#anchorbo-ga:l_VIII-gb:s_229
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Rebel on August 01, 2008, 02:19:51 PM
...but it carries a 25-year life sentence.

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(b) in respect of a person who has been convicted of second degree murder where that person has previously been convicted of culpable homicide that is murder, however described in this Act, that that person be sentenced to imprisonment for life without eligibility for parole until the person has served twenty-five years of the sentence;

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:l_XXIII-gb:s_743//en#anchorbo-ga:l_XXIII-gb:s_743

EDIT:

Nope, he can be paroled after 10 (The red letters above show why he won't get 25):

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(c) in respect of a person who has been convicted of second degree murder, that the person be sentenced to imprisonment for life without eligibility for parole until the person has served at least ten years of the sentence or such greater number of years, not being more than twenty-five years, as has been substituted therefor pursuant to section 745.4; and
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Willow on August 01, 2008, 02:30:37 PM
why second degree murder?

Not pre-meditated.  Spur of the moment.



didn't sound spur of the moment to me. He came aboard with a huge butcher knife. He did not start out sitting next to the victim. Did I read that right?
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: jinxmchue on August 01, 2008, 04:28:21 PM
why second degree murder?

Not pre-meditated.  Spur of the moment.



didn't sound spur of the moment to me. He came aboard with a huge butcher knife. He did not start out sitting next to the victim. Did I read that right?

Premeditation is difficult to prove.  I think, too, if you just go out to kill someone you come across, it's not considered premeditation, or at least a defense attorney can usually successfully argue against it.  Legal stuff is different all over, too.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 02, 2008, 08:49:02 PM
Police: Canada killer ate victim's flesh aboard bus
By CHARMAINE NORONHA Associated Press
Aug. 2, 2008, 7:02PM

TORONTO — A police officer at the scene of a grisly beheading on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday.

In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."

On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."

Full Article (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5921202.html)

=====================================================

Dude, this sick**** is a cannibal. He had the galls to eat his victim. WTF??????????????? I hope Vince Li is impaled and kept alive as long as possible. He should be given drugs to make the pain even worse.
 :maddernhell: :angryvillagers: :redbird: :argh:
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 02, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Police: Canada killer ate victim's flesh aboard bus
By CHARMAINE NORONHA Associated Press
Aug. 2, 2008, 7:02PM

TORONTO — A police officer at the scene of a grisly beheading on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday.

In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."

On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."

Full Article (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5921202.html)

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Dude, this sick**** is a cannibal. He had the galls to eat his victim. WTF??????????????? I hope Vince Li is impaled and kept alive as long as possible. He should be given drugs to make the pain even worse.
 :maddernhell: :angryvillagers: :redbird: :argh:

damn.  just.damn.

if this happened in the US, he would be headed for the electric chair.  crazy?  who cares? light him up in a clown suit. :censored:
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Willow on August 02, 2008, 09:11:57 PM
Police: Canada killer ate victim's flesh aboard bus
By CHARMAINE NORONHA Associated Press
Aug. 2, 2008, 7:02PM

TORONTO — A police officer at the scene of a grisly beheading on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday.

In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."

On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."

Full Article (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5921202.html)

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Dude, this sick**** is a cannibal. He had the galls to eat his victim. WTF??????????????? I hope Vince Li is impaled and kept alive as long as possible. He should be given drugs to make the pain even worse.
 :maddernhell: :angryvillagers: :redbird: :argh:

damn.  just.damn.

if this happened in the US, he would be headed for the electric chair.  crazy?  who cares? light him up in a clown suit. :censored:





I'm hoping if this had happened in the US our police would have shot his ass to smithereens!
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: DixieBelle on August 02, 2008, 09:26:49 PM
Too bad they abolished the death penalty in Canada.

Man, this is sick and twisted!!
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 02, 2008, 09:54:00 PM
Too bad they abolished the death penalty in Canada.

Man, this is sick and twisted!!

I think, when the authorities look into it, they will find a bunch of murders that this twisted f*cker has perpetrated.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: jtyangel on August 02, 2008, 10:47:25 PM
Really just a kid. His, the victim's, myspace page. :(

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=108390479
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: asdf2231 on August 02, 2008, 11:44:09 PM
Really just a kid. His, the victim's, myspace page. :(

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=108390479

From his myspace page:


Quote
Who I'd like to meet:
People, a dinosaur, an alien, the wolfman, frankensteins monster, a vampire, every kewl canadian, every kewl american, every kewl every body, ppl that drink, ppl that dont, ppl who smoke, ppl who dont, ppl that work, ppl that that dont, ppl who drive, ppl who dont, ppl that get married, ppl that dont, ya get the point. either way i like meeting new people all the time and most importantly i want to meet ppl that DO!


Well, he met a monster...
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Donpeyote on August 02, 2008, 11:53:57 PM
Really just a kid. His, the victim's, myspace page. :(

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=108390479

From his myspace page:


Quote
Who I'd like to meet:
People, a dinosaur, an alien, the wolfman, frankensteins monster, a vampire, every kewl canadian, every kewl american, every kewl every body, ppl that drink, ppl that dont, ppl who smoke, ppl who dont, ppl that work, ppl that that dont, ppl who drive, ppl who dont, ppl that get married, ppl that dont, ya get the point. either way i like meeting new people all the time and most importantly i want to meet ppl that DO!


Well, he met a monster...
A monster of Color & cover ?
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: DixieBelle on August 03, 2008, 09:50:33 AM
Really just a kid. His, the victim's, myspace page. :(

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=108390479

Did you see the picture someone posted on there? If you scroll down, you can see a poster that has a bloody knife and a heart. It's a concert poster from Feb. 08. Possibly spam, I dunno. I stay away from myspace. It's just really awful to see that. Especially if I were his friends.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Willow on August 03, 2008, 12:03:15 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=096_1217580722



link to audio of police transmissions. graphic picture


this just makes me sick! and all they are calling it is 2nd degree, I think he picked the victim out cause he was a small male, this monster is probably another Jeffery Dalhmer!
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Red October on August 03, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
Concealed.  Carry.  Permits!

Because hollow words give way to hollow points every time.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Donpeyote on August 03, 2008, 01:37:02 PM
Concealed.  Carry.  Permits!

Because hollow words give way to hollow points every time.
CCW = eVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY !
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: bijou on August 03, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=096_1217580722



link to audio of police transmissions. graphic picture


this just makes me sick! and all they are calling it is 2nd degree, I think he picked the victim out cause he was a small male, this monster is probably another Jeffery Dalhmer!
Looks like you're right.
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Police Tape: Canada Bus Killer Ate Victim's Flesh

TORONTO  â€”  A police officer at the scene of a grisly beheading on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday.

In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."

On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396581,00.html
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: mamacags on August 03, 2008, 02:33:50 PM
Do the police even have guns?!?!? What the hell where they thinking letting that animal live to get off the bus? :thatsright:
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Airwolf on August 03, 2008, 04:25:21 PM
Do the police even have guns?!?!? What the hell where they thinking letting that animal live to get off the bus? :thatsright:

Who knows but its the way they think up there. Wouldn't want to stop the perp in the middle of his crime and all that.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 06, 2008, 09:04:51 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=096_1217580722



link to audio of police transmissions. graphic picture


this just makes me sick! and all they are calling it is 2nd degree, I think he picked the victim out cause he was a small male, this monster is probably another Jeffery Dalhmer!

You Dahmer was bad. There is Countess Elizabeth Bathory and she killed at least 650 young people. She would bathe in their blood and even resort to cannibalism. She personifies evil of the worst kind, besides Pol Pot and Jim Jones.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on August 07, 2008, 08:59:41 AM
I don't get the second degree either, though I suppose there isn't all that much difference since (a) Canada is a 'No kill' shelter for rabid animals and (b) he'l undoubtedly defend on sanity anyway.  The cops not going onto the bus after him makes a little more sense since the victim was undoubtedly long dead when they arrived, assuming all the rest of the bus passengers were accounted for.
Title: Re: Bus passenger beheaded seat mate, witness says
Post by: asdf2231 on August 07, 2008, 11:37:52 AM
I don't get the second degree either, though I suppose there isn't all that much difference since (a) Canada is a 'No kill' shelter for rabid animals and (b) he'l undoubtedly defend on sanity anyway.  The cops not going onto the bus after him makes a little more sense since the victim was undoubtedly long dead when they arrived, assuming all the rest of the bus passengers were accounted for.

Which would have been a good case for setting the fracking thing on fire and busting out the marshmallows.