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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: J P Sousa on April 28, 2016, 11:02:44 AM
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Boehner, surprising no one with his blunt insults, said he wouldn’t vote for Cruz, in the off-chance the candidate becomes the republican nominee. He will, however, happily vote for Donald Trump: He is “texting buddies†with the billionaire businessman and the pair have golfed together for years, he said.
Looks like proof Trump is THE insider and ESTABLISHMENT candidate. :lmao:
The Four men who destroyed the Republican party and sending America into the abyss of LEFT WING lunacy;
John Boehner (no time for conservatives)
Mitch McConnell (let's help the democrats agenda)
Donald Trump (the ultimate financier of the establishment)
Paul Ryan (let's not stop Obama's economic destruction)
OK, now it's the turn for the Trumpians to explain why Trump is the answer ??? :rotf:
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Considering the Wonks all believe you can't win the Presidency without Ohio...I think we know who Trump's Veep choice will be.
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They've pretty much seen the writing on the wall. What would you expect them to do? To try and somehow give it to the unstable Cruz who becomes more unhinged every day? Or John Kasich who's been even more unhinged?
The establishment doesn't really have much of a choice right now but to try and pretend they have been aboard the Trump Train the whole time.
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To try and somehow give it to the unstable Cruz who becomes more unhinged every day?
In what crazy world...is Ted Cruz "unhinged"? How exactly is Cruz "unstable"
You say that as if Donald Trump has never opened his mouth once during this entire campaign. You can't trust that what Trump says at 7am will be the same thing he says at 7pm.
Yet somehow Cruz is unstable?
Please explain this weird upside down "logic" that goes into this.
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In what crazy world...is Ted Cruz "unhinged"? How exactly is Cruz "unstable"
You say that as if Donald Trump has never opened his mouth once during this entire campaign. You can't trust that what Trump says at 7am will be the same thing he says at 7pm.
Yet somehow Cruz is unstable?
Please explain this weird upside down "logic" that goes into this.
Again, it started with him/"his people" stealing votes from Carson, compounded by his siding with left-wing rioters (along with Rubio and Kasich) in Chicago, but his choosing a VP running mate in the wake of Tuesday's disastrous performance leaving him with no path to the nomination is the very definition of unhinged.
Even if Trump doesn't get the "magic number" there is no way they are going to hand it to Cruz who doesn't have a change of getting the "magic number."
Speaking of "magic numbers" I do wonder what Cruz's $500,000 payout to Carley is all about.
And speaking of "logic" I still don't have an answer as to what the estabs are supposed to do with Trump on top and showing no sign of slowing down. To me, even rats can be that logical. The logic of the OP still eludes me.
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I get the feeling if the positions were reversed and Cruz was in the lead it would be the same scenario. People like Boehner are pure political animals.
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Again, it started with him/"his people" stealing votes from Carson, compounded by his siding with left-wing rioters (along with Rubio and Kasich) in Chicago, but his choosing a VP running mate in the wake of Tuesday's disastrous performance leaving him with no path to the nomination is the very definition of unhinged.
Choosing a running mate...shifting the media attention to that FROM Trump...images surfacing everywhere of "Cruz/Fiorina 2016" is very clever. Those signs are all over the internet now...people aren't talking about the Trump/Bobby Knight rally...they are talking about Cruz picking Fiorina as his Veep. From a media standpoint it's an awesome move.
The only people sour and confused about it right now are the Trump pom pom waivers and kool aid drinkers.
Unhinged is repeating the same debunked Trump talking points over and over and OVER despite the fact they've been proven to be a lie.
And yet again you seem to fail to comprehend....either on purpose or because the way things played out confuse you immensely...that no votes were stolen from Carson.
Cruz hasn't sided with any left wing rioters...that's ust moronic for a smart person like you to say that. Especially in light of the veiled threats Trump keeps making about "bad things" that will happen if he isn't handed the nomination whether he earned it or not!
Even if Trump doesn't get the "magic number" there is no way they are going to hand it to Cruz who doesn't have a change of getting the "magic number."
Cruz has enough second and third ballot delegates to crush Trump like an old beer can. Cruz won't have anything handed to him...the establishment that Trump is best buds with...hate Cruz. But what Cruz is doing with his ground game in all these states...is securing enough delegates to win the nomination at the Convention...where this will all be decided.
Trump doesn't have the political IQ to figure this out and an ego that won't let him listen to anyone but himself. HE's going to faial and fail miserably.
Speaking of "magic numbers" I do wonder what Cruz's $500,000 payout to Carley is all about.
Well why you're figuring that one out...try and figure out the $100,000 "donation" Trump made to The Clinton Library....the $25,000 donation by Trump to Terry McCauliffe...the $60,000 to Mitch McConnell...donations to Harry Reid...Bill DeBlasio...Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer.
Wonder what those were about? Wanna bet that Trump has pulled out his wallet for Carson and Christie....I wouldn't bet against it.
And speaking of "logic" I still don't have an answer as to what the estabs are supposed to do with Trump on top and showing no sign of slowing down. To me, even rats can be that logical. The logic of the OP still eludes me.
Trump hasn't won anything yet. He just picked up 5 states that will go for Hillary in a general election against Trump. Before that he was on a five state losing streak...crying like a bitch about a "rigged election" while holding 45% of the delegates.
Trump has no momentum. 60% of the GOP voters have NOT picked him. Remember that.
Face it...Trump IS the establishment. He's now on board with amnesty...raising taxes...he wants to go left of Obama on healthcare and the EPA...he wants to turn the Military into a mercenary force and crush what's left of our economy with a tariff currency and trade war.
If that's not the definition of protectionist establishment politics...you my friend need a new dictionary.
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I get the feeling if the positions were reversed and Cruz was in the lead it would be the same scenario. People like Boehner are pure political animals.
Spot on. People like Boner and McConnell detest Cruz for actually promising to go to D.C. and challenging the establishment and doing what he said.
They hate Mike Lee and Rand Paul for the same reason.
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Spot on. People like Boner and McConnell detest Cruz for actually promising to go to D.C. and challenging the establishment and doing what he said.
They hate Mike Lee and Rand Paul for the same reason.
The rotten son of a bitch is simply trying to survive. If things had gone differently he'd be backing Cruz and damning Trump.
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The rotten son of a bitch is simply trying to survive. If things had gone differently he'd be backing Cruz and damning Trump.
IMHO Cruz messed too much in Boner's sandbox in the House rallying House Conservatives to try and hold the line...and help him with stuff he was doing in the Senate for Ol Johnny to ever back Cruz.
But you could be right...Boner IS a political animal.
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Well why you're figuring that one out...try and figure out the $100,000 "donation" Trump made to The Clinton Library....the $25,000 donation by Trump to Terry McCauliffe...the $60,000 to Mitch McConnell...donations to Harry Reid...Bill DeBlasio...Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer.
Trump also donated $25K to the Florida Attorney General, Pam Bondi after she decided not to follow through on an investigation into some of his dealings. Pay to look away.
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Trump also donated $25K to the Florida Attorney General, Pam Bondi after she decided not to follow through on an investigation into some of his dealings. Pay to look away.
Exactly!
But when you point that out to the Trump people they say "it's just good business...it's why Trump should be President".
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I find it ironic that someone that supports Trump is calling Cruz unhinged.
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Watched the Luntz focus group in Indiana last night. At least half of them sounded like "DU'ers" at a Bernie rally. They believed 100% of what Trump is telling them. :thatsright:
Maybe they are the ones that switched from dem to repub just to vote for Trump. :censored:
One guy insisted that Ted "made up" :mental: the, "Carson was going home" story when it was CNN that reported that.
If I knew it was that easy to fool people, I would have started a web site selling snake oil myself. :-)
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Watched the Luntz focus group in Indiana last night. At least half of them sounded like "DU'ers" at a Bernie rally. They believed 100% of what Trump is telling them. :thatsright:
Maybe they are the ones that switched from dem to repub just to vote for Trump. :censored:
One guy insisted that Ted "made up" :mental: the, "Carson was going home" story when it was CNN that reported that.
If I knew it was that easy to fool people, I would have started a web site selling snake oil myself. :-)
Trump continually calls Cruz Lying Ted, but neither he nor his minions can name any actual lies, while there are a lot of documented lies from Trump.
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http://www.ontheissues.org/Ted_Cruz.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Compare em to you're personal beliefs and values. If you're a true constitutional tea party conservative then you only really have one choice.
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http://www.ontheissues.org/Ted_Cruz.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Compare em to you're personal beliefs and values. If you're a true constitutional tea party conservative then you only really have one choice.
Read through both of them. Only one stays consistent in their conservative views and beliefs.
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Again, it started with him/"his people" stealing votes from Carson
When you lead off with a falsehood not much reason to read further. Unfortunate accident is about as close as one can call this. Unfortunate (or stupid) that Carson let the news out, unfortunate that CNN reported the way they did, unfortunate that Cruz's people didn't make time during a extremely hectic election night to correct the news later when they found out the truth. But... lets continue.
compounded by his siding with left-wing rioters (along with Rubio and Kasich) in Chicago
Trump needs to take some blame. He did incite his supporters to use violence in retaliations, one video he even invited two men on stage and thanked them and let them speak to the crowd for their actions. Rewarding someone for defending themselves is one thing, rewarding someone for doing the job of the hired police is another. Nobody likes these leftist plant jerks and I also get the urge to want to slug someone from time to time but like the Bible says, there is a time and place for everything. Wisdom is knowing the line.
his choosing a VP running mate in the wake of Tuesday's disastrous performance leaving him with no path to the nomination is the very definition of unhinged.
Carly Fiorina isn't my favorite choice I must admit, but as Texas suggest, there was nothing wrong with the timing. Well played.
Even if Trump doesn't get the "magic number" there is no way they are going to hand it to Cruz who doesn't have a change of getting the "magic number."
Those "establishment" delegates (as Trump fans like to call them) seem a far piece more die hard conservative than the general public. I don't think they will be handing it to any so called "GOPe" anytime soon. I really don't know that anyone (yes including Cruz) at this point can pull off a win against Hillary (even with her negatives) because so much damage has been done. But I do know that fighting for the most proven consistent conservative is something that is worthy of fighting for, even if it fails in the long run.
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I can't believe how this country bought into such a charlatan like Trump. It really has put a dent in my belief in America. I understand how most people don't have time to devote in politics like a lot of us here do, but even here (among several forums I frequent) among most true blooded political creatures I wonder if we actually see things processed the same. Someone that is secular liberal (and unrepentantly so) most their life (well past 50) does not change there stripes overnight.
Populist vs. Conservative, not a hard choice to make in the long run in my book. Perhaps it boils down to how America has shifted more secular that last 75+ years. The backlash is not so much against establishment but against those that dare sincerely unshakeable profess to be truly Christian.