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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on April 25, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
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UCmeNdc (2,613 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027780201
Ronald Reagan really was a traitor and conspired with Iran to keep the Hostages
until after the 1980 presidential elections.
Then, after a glass of wine, Clarridge dropped a bombshell, or at least that's what he wanted me to believe. The so-called October Surprise conspiracy—in which the incoming Reagan administration’s advance team allegedly plotted to keep American hostages in Iran until after President Jimmy Carter left office—was real, he hinted. He mentioned the 2013 novel October 1980 by George Cave, himself a veteran spook and, according to Clarridge, the agency’s top Iran expert, in which a fictional Iranian expatriate businessman enriches himself by aiding a covert American plan to free hostages in Tehran.
“It's a novel, but it's really not a novel,†Clarridge explained. The exact date of the hostage release, Clarridge claimed, was set by infamous Iran-Contra middleman Manucher Ghorbanifar, who Clarridge claims had “big bets in Las Vegas—big, big—millions†tied to the timing of the deal. “What George tells you is the real story,†he said, whispering. “The whole novel is really true.†(I wasn’t able to reach Ghorbanifar for comment. But in a recent interview, Cave told me that he didn’t believe Reagan officials plotted to delay the hostage release, but the part about the Iranian businessman was likely true. “Ghorbanifar liked to spend time in Las Vegas,†Cave says. “Knowing what he knew, I can’t believe he didn’t have some bets.â€)
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/the-october-surprise-was-real-spymaster-hints/
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Jackie Wilson Said (2,520 posts)
1. Thank you! Now this is what I thought a liberal message board would be about.
Yes, he was a traitor, straight up, without question.
Fresh_Start (7,479 posts)
3. totally agree
and blame Reagan and the Reagan democrats for the rise of the GOP and the poisoned political environment.
Those Reagan democrats were mostly the silent generation, not mostly the boomers.
But the one thing that Reagan and the current political parties can always count on...is the willingness of American's to turn on other americans.
Without that horrid national trait, we might be more progressive.
But no, the middle class non-labor union turns of the middle class labor union..
and the middle class pretty much everyone turns on the lower class
And very occasionally the moneyed class gets a little tiny bit of shit on it.
But not to worry, the average american is more than willing to pound on the other average american's to such a great degree that the moneyed need only throw another piece of meat in the ring...
colsohlibgal (2,244 posts)
4. Not Only Ronnie
Nixon did the same with Vietnam. That has more traction than St Reagan's shenanigans.
Not sure either story will ever be seen on our various corporate mainstream media outlets.
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Star Member trof (47,550 posts)
9. Oh hell yes. I knew it back then.
You think anyone paid attention.
The national "media"?
Hell no.
To them it was just a happy coincidence.
That's when I finally realized that they were in the tank for "ACCESS!"
bastids
dpatbrown (357 posts)
11. That's a fact!
I have been very vocal about this since the 80's. Most people aren't aware of this FACT, and those that are, keep their mouths shut. When arguing with Reagan fans, once you explain that their idol was, quite simply, a traitor, they are lost for words. As I'm sure you know, there were also other impeachable offense.
He's the best the GOP has. Sorry. Plus MSM isn't ever going to breath a word of it.
maindawg (1,072 posts)
24. I was there
It was obvious to me.
Star Member jalan48 (3,544 posts)
26. The CIA has done this in other countries for years to sway elections.
They sell it as keeping the bad guys out of power while the real intent is to help multi-national corporations gain access to local, valuable resources. Hopefully the TPP will make it all above board and then we can freely steal from one another.
:loser:
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Fresh_Start (7,479 posts)
But the one thing that Reagan and the current political parties can always count on...is the willingness of American's to turn on other americans.
Yet here you are, posting on a message board in support of a political party that has turned on mainstream America, and mainstream Americans. Your party and people who support it are the ones that are going after the first and second amendments, for example.
Please, go hold your head under water for just a little while.
:bigbird:
CMD
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Jackie Wilson Said
1. Thank you! Now this is what I thought a liberal message board would be about.
Skin's island has always been about gullible idiots who'll believe whatever narrative fits the worldview they want to be the truth. Just because you're a bern-out and there's a handful of hillbots giving you some grief doesn't make Skin's island any less of a typical kooky liberal message board, you dolt.
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The exact date of the hostage release, Clarridge claimed, was set by infamous Iran-Contra middleman Manucher Ghorbanifar
No way! Who is this Manucher character?
Grasswipe Judy Smith proved long ago that vice presidential candidate George H. W. Bush, flying back and forth to Tehran in an SR-71 Blackbird, negotiated the hostage deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini.
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I prefer the simpler, historically accurate, version: Carter was a blathering inept, and the voters of the US WISELY REJECTED HIM!!!
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How long before they revive the "Bush flew to Paris on an SR-71" meme?
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How long before they revive the "Bush flew to Paris on an SR-71" meme?
Can't say that I've ever heard that one. Read me in to that one, if you could.
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Can't say that I've ever heard that one. Read me in to that one, if you could.
You may know it as "The October Surprise".
The guy who made the original claim was man named Dr. Gary Sick.
The story that Mr. Bush took time off from the campaign to travel secretly to Paris to consummate such a deal has always been one of the more extreme subplots of the startling "October surprise" accusations. Indeed, that story has been promoted by people widely recognized as having limited credibility.
Yet the accusation about Mr. Bush once so tantalized Ross Perot that last February he sent investigators to interview a state prison inmate in Missouri who claimed to have flown Mr. Bush to Paris aboard an SR-71 Blackbird spy plane. Mr. Perot said later that he realized the man was a fraud when he was unable to describe how to start the SR-71.
The heart of the conspiracy theory, a part that remains unresolved, revolves around William J. Casey, who was Mr. Reagan's 1980 campaign chairman and became Director of Central Intelligence in the Reagan Administration.
This story holds that Mr. Casey, who died in 1987, traveled twice to Madrid in the summer of 1980 to meet a delegation of Iranian officials and negotiate a delay in the hostages' release. The deal was then supposedly consummated in a series of meetings in Paris in October.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/02/us/panel-rejects-theory-bush-met-with-iranians-in-paris-in-80.html
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It would seem to me, tx, based on the parts that you quoted there, that the Times is 'dubious' about the story. Hint to DUmmies: If the New York Times casts doubt on your story, the possibility that the story is true is right around zero.
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Jackie Wilson Said (2,520 posts)
1. Thank you! Now this is what I thought a liberal message board would be about.
Yes, he was a traitor, straight up, without question.
You got it right,a bunch of crazier then a shit house rat retards.
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It would seem to me, tx, based on the parts that you quoted there, that the Times is 'dubious' about the story. Hint to DUmmies: If the New York Times casts doubt on your story, the possibility that the story is true is right around zero.
That pathetic thing about it is...the top part of that 1982 story is about the conclusion of findings by a House investigation panel on this fairy tale.
Yeah it really went that far. :whatever:
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That pathetic thing about it is...the top part of that 1982 story is about the conclusion of findings by a House investigation panel on this fairy tale.
Yeah it really went that far. :whatever:
Everyone knew it was a BS accusation but the dems had to do something to smudge up Reagan's landslide election win against Carter.
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Yet the accusation about Mr. Bush once so tantalized Ross Perot that last February he sent investigators to interview a state prison inmate in Missouri who claimed to have flown Mr. Bush to Paris aboard an SR-71 Blackbird spy plane. Mr. Perot said later that he realized the man was a fraud when he was unable to describe how to start the SR-71.
I had not heard about Perot having given that lunacy enough credence that he actually looked into it to that degree. Whatever the reason for his hatred of G. H. W. Bush, it was too hysterical and strong for him not to recognize the SR-71 story as absurd on its face. Perot had to wait another decade to exact his revenge or whatever it was.
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H. Ross Perot
Sometimes I pine for the days when our political crackpots were at least civilized.
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Now we all know HW was the gunman on the grassy knoll, right? I mean, I have seen grainy pictures at the DUmp, they know he was there and the CIA covered it up. :fuelfire:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x277605
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Now we all know HW was the gunman on the grassy knoll, right? I mean, I have seen grainy pictures at the DUmp, they know he was there and the CIA covered it up.
I don't buy that until it's confirmed by poor addled grasswipe Judy Smith.
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Now we all know HW was the gunman on the grassy knoll, right? I mean, I have seen grainy pictures at the DUmp, they know he was there and the CIA covered it up. :fuelfire:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x277605
We all know that's incorrect, because it was just revealed that it really was Ted Cruz's father!
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How long before they revive the "Bush flew to Paris on an SR-71" meme?
Only a matter of time Sarge
Response to UCmeNdc (Original post)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:42 AM
Star Member Botany (40,614 posts)
32. HW Bush met w/the Iranians in Paris in Oct. of 1980 to cut the deal
n/t
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Only a matter of time Sarge
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