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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Delmar on April 16, 2016, 09:08:08 AM
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Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:51 AM
philosslayer (2,011 posts)
California minimum wage hike hits L.A. apparel industry: 'The exodus has begun'
Source: LA Times
Los Angeles was once the epicenter of apparel manufacturing, attracting buyers from across the world to its clothing factories, sample rooms and design studios.
Now, Los Angeles firms are facing another big hurdle — California's minimum wage hitting $15 an hour by 2022 — which could spur more garment makers to exit the state.
Last week American Apparel, the biggest clothing maker in Los Angeles, said it might outsource the making of some garments to another manufacturer in the U.S., and wiped out about 500 local jobs. The company still employs about 4,000 workers in Southern California.
"The exodus has begun," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at Cal State Channel Islands and a former director at Forever 21. "The garment industry is gradually shrinking and that trend will likely continue."
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-garment-manufacturing-la-20160416-story.html
Guess we know who to start boycotting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141416738
500 jobs gone, just like that. One would expect lots of replies regretting having supported the stupid idea of raising the minimum wage, but the primitives will never learn and they will never admit that they are wrong. They double down: Time for a boycott--there are still 4000 jobs that need to be destroyed.
Response to philosslayer (Original post)Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:55 AM
arcane1 (37,259 posts)
1. If they're going to chase low-cost geography, at least make sure it's chased in the US n/t
Primitive supports building a wall, as long as it's a wall designed to keep people in.
Response to arcane1 (Reply #1)Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:05 AM
Mika (17,052 posts)
3. No better way to Balkinize the USA! Pitting us against each other.
Gawd, crapitalism sucks!
The democrat party has a million ideas for pitting us against each other.
Response to philosslayer (Original post)Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:10 AM
olddad56 (4,603 posts)
5. I had no idea that they still made clothes in the US...
I wonder if they employee any low wage workers who are US citizens?
Who knew? If manufacturers had any sense, they would have fled decades ago. I guess that this is the last nail in the coffin.
Response to philosslayer (Original post)Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:08 AM
Star Member SoapBox (18,488 posts)
7. $15 by 2022...
Repeating, $15 by 2022...and the so called exodus is now? This increase to $15 is not happening today.
Screw these vultures...they want slave labor and then to pay executives millions.
Such bullshit.
Primitives have no capacity for strategic thought. If EBT cards get replenished on a monthly basis, then a month is about as far into the future as a primitive ever needs to be concerned about.
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Scootaloo
10. As if most of these joints actually pay minimum wage today?
Most of them are heavy exploiters of undocumented workers from Latin America and Asia. That means not even the faintest guarantee that their employees are being paid a legal wage in the first place.
I got a great solution. Let's NOT secure the border and let even more in!! :II:
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Guess we know who to start boycotting.
Grrr! How dare those clothing companies not stay in CA and be driven into bankruptcy by their escalating labor costs! Heads on a stick! Heads on a stick! Heads on a stick!
500 jobs gone, just like that. One would expect lots of replies regretting having supported the stupid idea of raising the minimum wage, but the primitives will never learn and they will never admit that they are wrong. They double down: Time for a boycott--there are still 4000 jobs that need to be destroyed.
Exactly!
Response to philosslayer (Original post)Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:55 AM
arcane1 (37,259 posts)
1. If they're going to chase low-cost geography, at least make sure it's chased in the US n/t
Yeah! Wait! That's in "red" states!
Response to philosslayer (Original post)Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:08 AM
Star Member SoapBox (18,488 posts)
7. $15 by 2022...
Repeating, $15 by 2022...and the so called exodus is now? This increase to $15 is not happening today.
What a fricking moron! Depending on where and into what they move, starting production in the new facility could take a year or two. Besides, why should the companies put up with being economically raped "just a little"?
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Interesting ... the only race T-shirts I have that are made in the US are Expert Brand, which is based in CA. I wonder if they're moving out of state.
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Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:51 AM
philosslayer (2,011 posts)
California minimum wage hike hits L.A. apparel industry: 'The exodus has begun'
(http://c7.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/styles/original_image_with_cropping/public/uploaded/california-new-york-minimum-wage-laws.jpg?itok=xqdOpYdc)
Yeah, you got this, dumb phucks. Well done.
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When I saw the article linked in the DU thread was from the LA Times, I didn't check it out, assuming it would be biased. I was right, yet I should have checked it out:
In 1997, when apparel makers were flocking overseas, American Apparel began making cotton T-shirts in Los Angeles and paying its workers higher than minimum wage. At the time, founder Dov Charney recalls, the local apparel industry thought the company was doomed.
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But the company proved detractors wrong, and its success inspired other garment makers to make a go of it in Los Angeles, said Ilse Metchek, president of the California Fashion Assn.
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... In February, the company was taken private after emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
After years of net losses, moving production out of Los Angeles is necessary for the survival of American Apparel, industry experts said. The company initially considered staying in California and moving to the city of Vernon, according to a person familiar with the discussions who was not authorized to speak publicly. After the state raised the minimum wage, executives began looking at manufacturers in the South, the person said.
The company that is the focus of this nascent exodus story, American Apparel, has been a showcase for Libs, Progs, and others who claim manufacturing in the US poses no economic problems. As the article claims, "... the company proved detractors wrong ...". Ironically, a very few paragraphs later, the article says, "... the company was taken private after emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection," and, "After years of net losses ..." (my emphasis). HELLO! The company went bankrupt less than 20 years after its founding! IOW, the company proved its "detractors" were RIGHT! And being freshly out of Chapter 11, American Apparel is particularly sensitive to cost increases, especially government-mandated increases that entail the underlying threat of further arbitrary government interference.
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Professionally-printed and distributed SEIU shirts and signs. What a shock. :whatever:
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Professionally-printed and distributed SEIU shirts and signs. What a shock. :whatever:
I wonder if the SEIU forced its sign printers to pay their employees $15/hour or more. I wonder if the SEIU paid its rent-a-mob demonstrators $15/hour or more.
Well, to be truthful, no, I don't wonder ... on either count.
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I guess CA doesn't read the national news; :stoner:
Before the minimum-wage hikes begin, Seattle employment tracked the rest of the nation — slowly rising from the 2008-09 bottom. But it started to plunge last spring, as the new law began to kick in.
Furthermore, Seattle’s loss of 10,000 jobs in just the three months of September, October and November was a record for any three-month period dating back to 1990.
Meanwhile, employment outside the city limits — which had long tracked the rate in Seattle proper — was soaring by 57,000 and set a new record high that November.
http://nypost.com/2016/03/12/how-the-15-wage-is-already-killing-seattle-jobs/
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Dear idiot DUchebags, the real minimum wage is ZERO DOLLARS.
I don't care how big your temper tantrum is 1+1 will never equal POTATO.
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I guess CA doesn't read the national news; :stoner:
Well, this CA'ian has been, and the near-identical results in SF as well. But I've been out-voted for many years and counting, and the fools in the Legislature and Governor's office are a denial bunker so deep that it's impervious to reality.
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Capital is mobile and why leftism always ends up as tyranny and despotism.
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This company will probably move out of mexifornia to some other state and bring their lib middle and senior management with them. Those fools will then proceed to vote in the same type of people that forced them to move in the first place!
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Guess we know who to start boycotting.
Damn multi-national Corporations, reTHUGliKKKans!!111 eLeBinTy!!! tEaJhaditerrorists! Ummmm, oh, wait.... :bird:
Primitive supports building a wall, as long as it's a wall designed to keep people in.
:hi5: ...and exit taxes. ::)
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Scootaloo
10. As if most of these joints actually pay minimum wage today?
Most of them are heavy exploiters of undocumented workers from Latin America and Asia. That means not even the faintest guarantee that their employees are being paid a legal wage in the first place.
(http://www.americanconservativedailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/illegals-crossing-US_border.jpg)
You have a problem? Isn't this your ... dream?
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This company will probably move out of mexifornia to some other state and bring their lib middle and senior management with them. Those fools will then proceed to vote in the same type of people that forced them to move in the first place!
::) .....yeah. :banghead:
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This sounds like a broken record.
:ownit:
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Capital is mobile and why leftism always ends up as tyranny and despotism.
Soviet Union
Nazis Germany
North Korea
Maoist China
Castro Cuba
Sukarno Indonesia
Peronist Argentina
Derg Ethiopia
Allende Chile
Khmer Rouge
Baathist Iraq
Need I say more?
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These idiots think $15 per hour is the magical answer to all problems. Let's say the minimum wage becomes that magical number, then all other prices for merchandise will be raised proportionally so that in a couple of years, if that long, signs will be out for $20, 25 etc., ad infinitum.
Welcome to DUmmie paradise......
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Primitive supports building a wall, as long as it's a wall designed to keep people in.
I think that this has already been tried - anybody remember the Berlin Wall?
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These idiots think $15 per hour is the magical answer to all problems. Let's say the minimum wage becomes that magical number, then all other prices for merchandise will be raised proportionally so that in a couple of years, if that long, signs will be out for $20, 25 etc., ad infinitum.
Welcome to DUmmie paradise......
$15 in San Francisco is a far cry from what it will buy in Jackson, MS.
This will not end well.
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I think that this has already been tried - anybody remember the Berlin Wall?
The guards on the Berlin Wall shot back.
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I think that this has already been tried - anybody remember the Berlin Wall?
Jerry Brown quipped that CA would have to build a wall - an allusion to proposals to build a wall along the Mexican border - as if to keep people from other states out. Yeah, right! I predict that in less than 2 years the CA legislature will be considering legislation to plunder businesses and "rich" citizens who dare flee CA's taxes and regulatory environment. Assuming they haven't/aren't already.
Speaking of lost jobs, have many of you all seen these table-top order/pay tablets (http://www.ziosk.com/) at your local restaurants? While they are represented as conveniences - and they are convenient - they also reduce the number of servers that need to be working at any given time. So far the places I've seen them (Red Robin comes to mind) only use the pay feature, but ...
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Speaking of lost jobs, have many of you all seen these table-top order/pay tablets (http://www.ziosk.com/) at your local restaurants? While they are represented as conveniences - and they are convenient - they also reduce the number of servers that need to be working at any given time. So far the places I've seen them (Red Robin comes to mind) only use the pay feature, but ...
Chili's has them all over the country. And Red Robin, too, as you mentioned. Mainly used for pay or to order refills at this point. Some games you can play on them. I've noticed more chain restaurants starting to use them.
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Jerry Brown quipped that CA would have to build a wall - an allusion to proposals to build a wall along the Mexican border - as if to keep people from other states out. Yeah, right! I predict that in less than 2 years the CA legislature will be considering legislation to plunder businesses and "rich" citizens who dare flee CA's taxes and regulatory environment. Assuming they haven't/aren't already.
Speaking of lost jobs, have many of you all seen these table-top order/pay tablets (http://www.ziosk.com/) at your local restaurants? While they are represented as conveniences - and they are convenient - they also reduce the number of servers that need to be working at any given time. So far the places I've seen them (Red Robin comes to mind) only use the pay feature, but ...
If you think this stupid minimum wage stuff through, it's pretty depressing and scary. We all know that the basic tenet of the $15 proponents is: you have something, so give it to me. But underneath that tenet is a complete dismissal of economics: rather than optimize a mix of capital and labor, rather than employ a level of labor that provides a rate of return on capital that sustains a business, liberals subscribe to a new theory: if there is $15 in a business bank account, at least that amount is owed to a worker for an hour's work.
What's that, you say? A small business that employs 10 laborers earned a $30,000 profit last year? Then that small business should have had 11 laborers, cut and dried. See where this is headed? If you own a business, and there is a $15 minimum wage (which is really at least $25, all-in), the day will come when the IRS can penalize you for not employing enough people to sop up your profits. You will be allowed to take a wage for yourself, of course, but that will be regulated by the G as well.
That is where this $15/hr nonsense will eventually land.
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Primitives have no capacity for strategic thought. If EBT cards get replenished on a monthly basis, then a month is about as far into the future as a primitive ever needs to be concerned about.
As it was told to me by someone who works there, at the Subway sandwich place near downtown Los Angeles, at the beginning of the month everyone is ordering extra cheese, extra meat. By the end of the month, everyone's asking to borrow money.
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If you think this stupid minimum wage stuff through, it's pretty depressing and scary. We all know that the basic tenet of the $15 proponents is: you have something, so give it to me. But underneath that tenet is a complete dismissal of economics: rather than optimize a mix of capital and labor, rather than employ a level of labor that provides a rate of return on capital that sustains a business, liberals subscribe to a new theory: if there is $15 in a business bank account, at least that amount is owed to a worker for an hour's work.
What's that, you say? A small business that employs 10 laborers earned a $30,000 profit last year? Then that small business should have had 11 laborers, cut and dried. See where this is headed? If you own a business, and there is a $15 minimum wage (which is really at least $25, all-in), the day will come when the IRS can penalize you for not employing enough people to sop up your profits. You will be allowed to take a wage for yourself, of course, but that will be regulated by the G as well.
That is where this $15/hr nonsense will eventually land.
Barack I stated it succinctly: "You didn't create that business." IOW, "You stole that success from your employees, and the government is going to make you for it!"
What these $15 minimum wage morons seem not to realize is that everything will be come more costly. All wages will go up in response, as will prices for goods and service. IOW, minimum wage workers will be no better off than they were, if they're lucky!
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Jerry Brown quipped that CA would have to build a wall - an allusion to proposals to build a wall along the Mexican border - as if to keep people from other states out. Yeah, right! I predict that in less than 2 years the CA legislature will be considering legislation to plunder businesses and "rich" citizens who dare flee CA's taxes and regulatory environment. Assuming they haven't/aren't already.
Speaking of lost jobs, have many of you all seen these table-top order/pay tablets (http://www.ziosk.com/) at your local restaurants? While they are represented as conveniences - and they are convenient - they also reduce the number of servers that need to be working at any given time. So far the places I've seen them (Red Robin comes to mind) only use the pay feature, but ...
Was at Olive Garden last night, tried to give the waitress the check and she pointed to the Ziosk.
Maybe if we go next time we can order on that thing and a robot will bring out the food. $15/hr or unemployment choose your future DUmmies.
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Was at Olive Garden last night, tried to give the waitress the check and she pointed to the Ziosk.
Maybe if we go next time we can order on that thing and a robot will bring out the food. $15/hr or unemployment choose your future DUmmies.
Don't have to tip a computer
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This company will probably move out of mexifornia to some other state and bring their lib middle and senior management with them. Those fools will then proceed to vote in the same type of people that forced them to move in the first place!
Precisely. Much like today's muzzie refugees demanding we conform to their ways.
I'd say "screw them", but, there's no telling what sort of camel/goat/sheep STD's they could pass along. :sheep:
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A lot of these minimum wage increases have an impact on what union members are paid. Their wages increase a certain percentage based on the increase in the minimum wage. Hence the reason you see the SIEU behind this push to increase the MM to $15. Which in turn means the costs incurred by businesses that have to hire SIEU members increases as well...and all of it gets passed on to the consumer who has a very thin wallet as it is right now.
I feel sure that the next time Big Labor wants an increase in what their dues paying members make per hour...there will be another push for hike from $15 to 20 or 22 with the same lame ass "living wage" excuses we've heard this time.
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Response to philosslayer (Original post)
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:37 PM
Scruffy Rumbler (874 posts)
18. Do we have a list of these companies yet?
I am sure if they cannot pay there employees a living wage, then I cannot afford to buy their product.
::) DUmbass completely misses the point.
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No different then the useless cretins in Greece that were rioting for more government handouts despite the fact that the government had no money or credit.
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Scruffy Rumbler (874 posts)
18. Do we have a list of these companies yet?
I am sure if they cannot pay there employees a living wage, then I cannot afford to buy their product.
Why would someone continue to work where they do not make enough to live on? Slavery, indentured servitude?