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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: JakeStyle on March 29, 2016, 12:11:18 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141394526
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:13 PM
alp227 (29,406 posts)
Many millions of Muslims 'fundamentally incompatible with the modern world', says Tony Blair
Source: UK Independent
Tony Blair has said that "many millions" of Muslims hold a viewpoint that is "fundamentally incompatible with the modern world."
Rejecting arguments that Isis is simply "tens of thousands of brainwashed crazies," he continued: " does not seek dialogue but dominance. It cannot therefore be contained. It has to be defeated."
To mitigate against such attacks, the ex-PM argued for "active on-the-ground military support" for Arab armies, stating that Isis "have to be crushed."
He also called for the creation of a pan-national anti-terror force, saying: "We must build military capability able to confront and defeat the terrorists wherever they try to hold territory. This is a challenge for the West."
Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/many-millions-of-muslims-fundamentally-incompatible-with-the-west-says-tony-blair-a6954796.html
Sadly, there are plenty of DUers (not Freeper trolls) who believe this, too.
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:16 PM
EX500rider (3,036 posts)
1. "Sadly, there are plenty of DUers (not Freeper trolls) who believe this, too..."
So you think people who want the death penalty for leaving their religion and are OK with stoning homosexuals and adulterer's are compatible with current western civilization?
Response to Zira (Reply #5)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:24 PM
retrowire (6,674 posts)
8. +1 Absolutely.
Just about every major religion seems to have it's extremists. We've got the Christian Right here that wants homosexuals dead as well.
The fact is, the majority are fine, the vocal violent minority of them will always exist as well. That's just the bane of religion. Corrupt men twisting it's message for their own gain.
Response to retrowire (Reply #8)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:39 AM
leftynyc (18,418 posts)
67. Except for one very large difference
The laws for killing gays aren't on the books here in the US - if someone did that, they'd go to jail. In some of these Muslim countries, it's the state that will kill the gays and the person responsible for turning them in would get a ****ing parade. You don't get to compare the two and call them the same. Even it's only 1% of Muslims, out of 1.6 billion, that makes Tony Blair absolutely right - there are millions who aren't compatible with western values.
Response to retrowire (Reply #70)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:08 AM
leftynyc (18,418 posts)
72. No we wont
That's a ridiculous thing to say. No matter who is President, we still have a constitution. I also don't see anyone beheading people for leaving Christianity in the US or stoning adulterers (sometimes just women who are holding hands with their boyfriends). Just ****ing STOP with the false equivalencies. All you're doing is minimizing all the very real bullshit women have to put up with every single day for being in a Muslim country. Just ****ing stop.
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:18 PM
Star Member TexasMommaWithAHat (2,369 posts)
2. You're darn right there are some of us who think this
Any Muslim (of which there are millions) who supports Sharia law is "fundamentally incompatible with the modern world."
That's right - any Muslim who holds fundamentally backwards beliefs regarding apostates, gays, women's rights, etc., is "fundamentally incompatible with the modern world."
And, no, I didn't type "all" Muslims.
Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #2)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:22 PM
Star Member Zira (309 posts)
6. I can say the same about Donald Trump.
And Freepers in general.
Response to Zira (Reply #6)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:26 PM
Star Member TexasMommaWithAHat (2,369 posts)
11. Boo hoo
It's a sad time in our country when someone like Donald Trump is a "serious" candidate for president, but I would imagine he has done very little to put gays in harms way, stop women from driving, or has called for the murder of apostates, etc
Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #11)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:29 PM
Star Member Zira (309 posts)
14. You do realize a LARGE group of supporters want a race war and would like to kill all the minorities
right? I'm talking the tea partiers who are joining white supremacists movements and starting new ones, in droves right now.
Response to Zira (Reply #14)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:37 PM
Star Member TexasMommaWithAHat (2,369 posts)
18. You do realize that when liberals deny the problematic
beliefs of millions of Muslims, we give the crazies more power?
When you deny what is so obvious, do you really think the crazies in this country say "Oh, I must be wrong about those crazy Muslims?" No, you empower them when they point out how ridiculous we are to deny what's going on with millions of Muslims.
It's a very long thread with a surprising number of DUmmies showing a modicum of common sense. It's worth a read.
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Star Member Zira (309 posts)
14. You do realize a LARGE group of supporters want a race war and would like to kill all the minorities
right? I'm talking the tea partiers who are joining white supremacists movements and starting new ones, in droves right now.
Sorry asshole. The only calls I see for a revolution or a race war all come from the left.
:ownit:
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We've got the Christian Right here that wants homosexuals dead as well.
I've never seen this, ever. I've seen some who want to "cure" and save them, but I think that's pretty rare.
Some of these Muslim threads are getting downright clear-headed. LeftyNYC has been a stalwart realist. Of course, philoslayer is a dhimmi DUmmie, through and through.
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This is the funny part.
Tony Blair has said that "many millions" of Muslims hold a viewpoint that is "fundamentally incompatible with the modern world."
To mitigate against such attacks, the ex-PM argued for "active on-the-ground military support" for Arab armies, stating that Isis "have to be crushed."
Liberals have no interest in fighting a war. They're all for appeasement and finding out what we did to make them angry. They want to talk to them and are absolutely sure they can convince them to change. And if they can't, they'll write them a strongly worded letter.
But, fight them?!? :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
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We've got the Christian Right here that wants homosexuals dead as well.
:thatsright:
It used to be homosexuals wanted everybody to "stay out of their bedroom", but now they want "their bedroom" to be in our face. :censored:
I just want them to keep it in "their bedroom".
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:thatsright:
It used to be homosexuals wanted everybody to "stay out of their bedroom", but now they want "their bedroom" to be in our face. :censored:
I just want them to keep it in "their bedroom".
And out of my bathroom.
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They are perfectly happy with all kinds of minorities slaughtered as long as they can pretend we are in a safe bubble and therefore all military spending should be showered on them like lottery winnings.
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I agree with Tony Blair
To mitigate against such attacks, the ex-PM argued for "active on-the-ground military support" for Arab armies, stating that Isis "have to be crushed."
I have wondered for years now why the world puts up with this madness and hasn't banded together to destroy and obliterate ISIS or whatever name of the week they want to be called by.
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Star Member Zira (309 posts)
14. You do realize a LARGE group of supporters want a race war and would like to kill all the minorities
right? I'm talking the tea partiers who are joining white supremacists movements and starting new ones, in droves right now.
Commies are good.
Christians are bad.
Got my correct thinking cap on today.
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We've got the Christian Right here that wants homosexuals dead as well.
That is STOOOOOOOPID-grade! Even I would have a very hard time finding some one who both calls themselves a Christian who also "wants homosexuals dead". r-wire is probably ignorant enough to think (s)he find such persons in a mainstream Evangelical church; I know enough that I wouldn't even bother looking among the remnants of the Phelpsians (who are content with being obnoxoids while letting their god do the dirty work of dealing as he chooses with homosexuals).
Not that facts matter to DU-folk.
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Not that the one idiot is right but let's say for arguments sake there is some chriStian fringe minority who wants tp kill x,y,z. I would ask the poster over at du what specific organized movement do they have worldwide to make that a reality and also why have we not yet seen active terror attacks from said groups? Also how come the majority of christians don't show even quiet approval of such attitudes? I'll wait but since I knoe the dummie can't do anything but stutter at those questions, I'll just get on with my day.
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That is STOOOOOOOPID-grade! Even I would have a very hard time finding some one who both calls themselves a Christian who also "wants homosexuals dead". r-wire is probably ignorant enough to think (s)he find such persons in a mainstream Evangelical church; I know enough that I wouldn't even bother looking among the remnants of the Phelpsians (who are content with being obnoxoids while letting their god do the dirty work of dealing as he chooses with homosexuals).
Not that facts matter to DU-folk.
If they discover a gay gene, would it still be proper to abort if you didn't want fruity offspring?
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Star Member Zira (309 posts)
14. You do realize a LARGE group of supporters want a race war and would like to kill all the minorities
right? I'm talking the tea partiers who are joining white supremacists movements and starting new ones, in droves right now.
Proof?
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If they discover a gay gene, would it still be proper to abort if you didn't want fruity offspring?
Claiming that being born with a mental illness caused by genes and pushing for abortion rights is double edged sword.
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Claiming that being born with a mental illness caused by genes and pushing for abortion rights is double edged sword.
I've never gotten a straight answer from a liberal to that question
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Old saying we all know...Appeasers hope the Crocodiles will eat them Last.
Even brain dead liberals see that they will be the first these Islamic nuts go after. There will be begging for help from those crazy Christians (like me and my family) they bashed over the heads for years.
It is coming and they more than helped usher it in. Makes me sick.
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More accurate: Millions, not tens of millions but millions, of muzzies are compatible with first world societies.
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Star Member Zira (309 posts)
14. You do realize a LARGE group of supporters want a race war and would like to kill all the minorities
right? I'm talking the tea partiers who are joining white supremacists movements and starting new ones, in droves right now.
Proof?
Heh, ...from a (D)Ullard? Be serious. :-)
Sorry asshole. The only calls I see for a revolution or a race war all come from the left.
:ownit:
All of them, that I am aware of.
Tell me, (D)Ummie - The number of rEicHwIngNuttEahAdi crazies that storm the stage at your (D)Marxist candidates speeches? Arrested for death threats? Write bizarre tweets threatening death to all Clinton supporters?
That's right. None. :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:
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Heh, ...from a (D)Ullard? Be serious. :-)
All of them, that I am aware of.
Tell me, (D)Ummie - The number of rEicHwIngNuttEahAdi crazies that storm the stage at your (D)Marxist candidates speeches? Arrested for death threats? Write bizarre tweets threatening death to all Clinton supporters?
That's right. None. :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:
I think they are confusing being aware with what is coming based on the shit stirring versus wanting. Seeing the road we are heading on and poin ting it out to someone with thier fingers in thier ears is not wanting a race war. But du is famous for attacking the messenger and subscribing altering notices to the messenger versus dealing with the reality of a situation they usually had a substantial hand in creating.