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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 16, 2016, 04:30:35 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511503338
Oh my.
RBInMaine (11,901 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:13 AM
Grace in defeat is a virtue. Would be so refreshing to see more of that from the Sanders folks.
On the Hillary side, we are overwhelmingly graceful. When Bernie narrowly won MI, our side overwhelmingly congratulated Bernie and didn't start hurling out vitriol and delusional accusations about rigged elections or anything like that. It was what it was.
Hillary SWEPT all five primaries last night, but Bernie also had very respectable showings in two of them which were extremely close, so congratulations on his strong showings in MO and IL. Bernie congratulated Hillary, and so should his supporters. That is called grace and class.
Bernie will go on to win some more of the states, especially caucus states that have a process and demographics more favorable to his candidacy, and for this I will say congratulations ahead of time. But at the end of the day, Hillary will have much more raw vote (she has two million more votes now) and significantly more delegates.
The math just isn't on Bernie's side. Much as I like him, and have always said so, he will not be the nominee. He has done some amazing work coming from so far behind, but at the end of the day the party and nation won't accept a self-described European type socialist. I really like many of his sentiments, but he is too vague in how he is actually going to accomplish his goals and is promising things he knows he can't deliver at least anytime soon. They are great goals, and we should have big goals, but we also need some measure of realism and practicality as well. That is PROGRESS. If Bernie got the nomination, there would be endless and relentless attack ads of "SOCIALIST MASSIVE TAX AND SPENDER" which would crush him to smithereens. Hillary is much more battle tested and would be stronger in the general election.
bobbobbins01 (816 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:16 AM
1. More than half the delegates are still out there.
I guess math isn't your strong suit.
Kentonio (1,471 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:19 AM
2. You're 'overwhelmingly graceful' are you?
Were you Hillary supporters 'overwhelmingly graceful' when you spent the last year calling us a bunch of racist, sexist infiltrators from the GOP or naive idiots who want free unicorns and rainbows? Was that an example of how 'overwhelmingly graceful' you all are?
You guys have spent a year burning every bridge you can see, and now you think you've got it wrapped up you're suddenly trying to rally the progressive vote. Yet even now, you still can't resist the urge to insult us and call us deluded. If Clinton does go on to win this, you have some seriously harsh realities to face as a result of the condescending and high handed attitudes you guys have displayed during this primary. Reap what you sow.
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Kentonio (1,471 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:19 AM
2. You're 'overwhelmingly graceful' are you?
Were you Hillary supporters 'overwhelmingly graceful' when you spent the last year calling us a bunch of racist, sexist infiltrators from the GOP or naive idiots who want free unicorns and rainbows?
But it's true, DUmmy. You Sandernistas do want free unicorns and rainbows, and you believe that rambling old Menshevik will give them to you.
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RBIM & His Retorters demonstrate for the ad nauseumth time that grace and class are foreign to DU. They must live in mirror-free safe spaces.
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Kentonio
2. You're 'overwhelmingly graceful' are you?
Were you Hillary supporters 'overwhelmingly graceful' when you spent the last year calling us a bunch of racist, sexist infiltrators from the GOP or naive idiots who want free unicorns and rainbows?
To be fair, kentonio primitive, the billary supporters are also racist, sexist, and naïve idiots who want free unicorns and rainbows. It's not just you bern-outs who are that way.
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bobbobbins01 (817 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:16 AM
1. More than half the delegates are still out there.
I guess math isn't your strong suit.
brooklynite (29,738 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:30 AM
22. Fair enough: based on the votes we've seen, where does Sanders win them?
The data now says that 1) Sanders does well in Caucus States; 2) does better in States which allow Independents; and 3) barely ties in midwest battleground States. Where's he going to win in big enough margins to offset Clinton's 300 delegate lead?
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Darly314 (23 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:17 AM
7. Sanders' ego trip hurts the party
He should drop out, instead, he fell in love with the cameras and kids who buy his unrealistic commercial candidacy. Party last, Bern's ego 1st. I wanted Harken in '90 but admired him for leaving the race, placing party first.
Betty Karlson (5,114 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:25 AM
11. HIS ego trip? projection is a thing, people.
Darly314 (23 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:19 AM
8. Sanders' ego trip hurts the party
IF he cared about the party and the country, he would DROP OUT NOW!
<<<agrees.
For the good of the Democrat party, Methuselah needs to give up this Quixotesque quest.
And for the good of humanity, the Bernie bullies need to drop dead.
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<<<agrees.
For the good of the Democrat party, Methuselah needs to give up this Quixotesque quest.
And for the good of humanity, the Bernie bullies need to drop dead.
City streets are named after these people. One Way. ->
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RBIM & His Retorters demonstrate for the ad nauseumth time that grace and class are foreign to DU. They must live in mirror-free safe spaces.
Beat me to it!
Notice how there's never any talk of "Grace and class" among them as far as Republicans are concerned.
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Darly314 (23 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:19 AM
8. Sanders' ego trip ...
Actually, the D on an ego trip is The CHILL! If she were open and honest her ego would shout (hoarsely): "I kept a lazy-ass serial philanderer and sexual assailant in the WH for 8 years! I'm entitled to become POTUS!
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Am I the only one who sees that as soon as she gets the nomination, even the most hardened Bernouts are going to be wearing pantsuits and learning how to re-defend her email treachery?
This ALWAYS happens on DU. Every 4 years.
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Am I the only one who sees that as soon as she gets the nomination, even the most hardened Bernouts are going to be wearing pantsuits and learning how to re-defend her email treachery?
This ALWAYS happens on DU. Every 4 years.
I wouldn't bet against that.
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The possibility of the phrase, "President Trump," might just be enough to get almost all Bernbots to unite in kissing Tsaritsa CHILL's hind quarters. Not sure if, "President Cruz," is quite as horrifying to the Bernbots.
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The possibility of the phrase, "President Trump," might just be enough to get almost all Bernbots to unite in kissing Tsaritsa CHILL's hind quarters. Not sure if, "President Cruz," is quite as horrifying to the Bernbots.
As much as I loathe disagreeing with our esteemed colleague Banned, I must, at least to some degree, here.
It's been true that primitives sit down and shut up after a D candidate's been named, and reliably showed up to vote for that candidate no matter how repugnant he'd been to them before.
In this case, though, I don't think that's going to hold as much as it had in the past. In the past, one could count on pretty much 100% of the primitives hewing the party line. This year, I think it's going to be somewhat less, maybe about 75-80%. The old primitives will show up, but I doubt all of the younger ones will too.
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As much as I loathe disagreeing with our esteemed colleague Banned, I must, at least to some degree, here.
It's been true that primitives sit down and shut up after a D candidate's been named, and reliably showed up to vote for that candidate no matter how repugnant he'd been to them before.
In this case, though, I don't think that's going to hold as much as it had in the past. In the past, one could count on pretty much 100% of the primitives hewing the party line. This year, I think it's going to be somewhat less, maybe about 75-80%. The old primitives will show up, but I doubt all of the younger ones will too.
I have to agree. The millenials will stay home since their "Promiser of free sh*t" didn't get the nomination. They're fired up now only because of him. They could care less about cankles.
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I have to agree. The millenials will stay home since their "Promiser of free sh*t" didn't get the nomination. They're fired up now only because of him. They could care less about cankles.
Add me to the members who feel this way.
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I have to agree. The millenials will stay home since their "Promiser of free sh*t" didn't get the nomination. They're fired up now only because of him. They could care less about cankles.
Time for the Dems to get legalized free weed on the ballots across the country. :stoner:
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Add me to the members who feel this way.
Same here.
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Same here.
Whoa there. I didn't say they'd actually VOTE for her. I said they'd embrace her on DU. Acceptance on DU is far more important to them than actually voting.
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Whoa there. I didn't say they'd actually VOTE for her. I said they'd embrace her on DU. Acceptance on DU is far more important to them than actually voting.
I'm not terribly sure about that, at least until the Bernouts were purged in a DU version of the 'Night of The Long Knives.' :whistling: After that, the acceptance possibility goes up.
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It is not the convention yet. They talk about a brokered convention for Republicans. Could the Democrats have one too? Granted, Hillary Clinton has more delegates than Bernie Sanders. Another possibility, neither get nominated and goes to Joe Biden.
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It is not the convention yet. They talk about a brokered convention for Republicans. Could the Democrats have one too? Granted, Hillary Clinton has more delegates than Bernie Sanders. Another possibility, neither get nominated and goes to Joe Biden.
I'm pretty sure the superdelegates will put Hillary on top of Bernie, ( you're welcome for that visual.) However, we can only hope it drags on right up to the convention and that Hillary wins by the skin on Monica's teeth.
That will piss off a lot of Berniebots.
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I'm pretty sure the superdelegates will put Hillary on top of Bernie, ( you're welcome for that visual.) However, we can only hope it drags on right up to the convention and that Hillary wins by the skin on Monica's teeth.
That will piss off a lot of Berniebots.
I am sure would happen. Anything can happen. No guarantees.