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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on March 02, 2016, 06:20:06 PM
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The golden age of Clinton
After reading this op and the braveneck's link you will have a good idea why most Blacks live on the plantation doing the massa's bidding.
OP:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12511397839
bravenak (23,501 posts)
How Bernie Lost the Black Vote Long Before Super Tuesday
http://www.fastcompany.com/3057369/how-bernie-sanders-lost-the-black-vote-long-before-super-tuesday
Star Member Cali_Democrat (28,340 posts)
1. When all is said and done....
....history will show that it was the black vote which sank Bernie's candidacy.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:22 PM
bravenak (23,501 posts)
6. Yep. I won't gloat.
I swear.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:25 PM
Star Member highprincipleswork (982 posts)
11. It will say that, if things don't change. That doesn't mean it will be a good thing.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:04 PM
whatchamacallit (14,037 posts)
49. Yep, most will remember it that way
sigh
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:53 PM
Bread and Circus (8,629 posts)
68. Then don't cry about the results you end up with. At that point many won't want to hear you.
You can't "take credit" for sinking Sanders then cry 1, 4, or 8 years later that "Black Lives Matter" because things aren't fundamentally different for Blacks.
I mean Jesus, if you listen to what's going on with BLM, et. al. you would think think this is the shittiest time in all of America and that's 8 years after a black president. Maybe I exaggerate as Slavery and Jim Crow was ****ing outrageously sick and inhumanely horrible, so probably no one is suggesting times are as bad as that.
However, the point is the same: We've had a black centrist president for 8 years and you would think things are worse for blacks than in a long damn time. What exactly will a white centrist president do that Obama didn't?
According to Einstein doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
But back to taking credit for burying Bernie w/ the en bloc black vote... Don't take credit for it unless you are prepared to own the results. And the thing is, I don't think y'all will own the results. If it all stays ****ed up, I think it will just be blamed on "white privilege" yet again (when all else fails, use the old standby).
It seems like Black America is angry at Bernie cuz Bernie was angry at Obama for abandoning the progressives and real liberals that adopted him first (well before South Carolina blacks). Maybe y'all shoulda been angry at Obama considering he had the power to change things for blacks in the past 8 years. But where was he? Laughing it up with Summers and Geithner? Toppling (at Hillary Clinton's behest, no less) the government in Libya because it benefited us how?
guillaumeb (4,681 posts)
12. I am an outsider, please explain this to me:
From the article:
Yet Anthony says there have been huge opportunities for Sanders to win over younger African Americans. "Young black voters don’t have that recollection of the golden era under Bill and his relationship with the African American community," Sanders says. "They’re seeing people that look like them being shot down in the street."
What made the 1990's a golden era for minority voters? Were the 1990's such a good time for non-white Americans?
The author talks about HRC connecting with non-white voters but does not explain the why of this connection. What specifically, or generally, did William Clinton accomplish that gives the Clinton name such power?
But Braveneck says...
Response to guillaumeb (Reply #12)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:28 PM
bravenak (23,501 posts)
16. I will tell you
The eighties were such hell that getting a president who kinda liked black people was heaven. Reagan was a hard man.
Our unemployment went down.
Black folks were rising in govt.
We had political power under clinton who NEEDED us.
Comparing 1980 to 1995? I'll take 95 all day!!! Way better than WE ever had it before. EVER.
So there. Anyone care to challenge so estute an assesment. :roflmao:
Response to bravenak (Reply #16)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:33 PM
guillaumeb (4,681 posts)
26. You were much too kind to Reagan.
Ronald Reagan was a racist. THAT is why he won. He was a smoother version of Donald Trump, the current favorite of racists in the US.
An interesting and nuanced viewpoint bravenak. One I had not considered. Thanks.
Let us hope that if HRC is the nominee, and is elected President, she will remember who helped her.
Yep, memories. I remember my second grade teacher too.
Response to guillaumeb (Reply #26)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:34 PM
bravenak (23,501 posts)
27. She has no choice if she wants a second term.
Someone needs to show this snarky bitch the demographics of blacks. Honey, it ain't pretty. You think you were marginalized in the past? You ain't seen nothin yet.
great white snark (2,609 posts)
66. Truly a sight for sore eyes!
You are most welcome back bravenak and thank you for posting. I'd ask you to stay low but that just might not be in your nature lol.
Response to bravenak (Original post)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:55 PM
Star Member BumRushDaShow (17,667 posts)
70. That was an interesting analysis
although I would disagree with the comment that Hillary was somewhat "bourgeois". Both Clintons are (IMHO) "noveaux (rich)" but seemed to have generally presented themselves over the decades as somewhat rough and tumble. The "bourgeois" ones are the Romneys or Fiorinas - always uptight and overly concerned with appearance and perceptions of themselves.
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It really says something about Hillary and the democraticks in general when you think that they have to absolutely rely on conning black people into voting for them.
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This is why you dim witted mutts will never get anywhere.
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Response to bravenak (Original post)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:27 AM
Star Member Cha (173,676 posts)
222. Yes, Welcome Back, Bravenak! I see you're in your usual fine form~
Good article with a lot of the history and statistics..
"But whatever overtures her campaign makes to young black America, it is essential that Clinton take herself out of her comfort zone, Anthony says—just like she did when agreeing to meet "in private" with Black Lives Matter activists last year. Hillary was unaware that the interview would be captured on tape and shared with the public. But this turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Although Clinton did not agree with everything the activists believed, nor did she make all (or perhaps any) of the assurances they wanted to hear, Anthony called it a "big win" for Hillary, adding that young African Americans and young people in general were impressed by her vulnerability, candor, transparency, and—most importantly—her humanity".
Good to know!
One thing.. I have not been able to find where Al Sharpton endorsed Sanders?
Thank you
Wonder why you puddle worms are considered idiots?
Response to bravenak (Original post)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 04:17 AM
CdnExtraNational (37 posts)
239. Because black leaders are part of the establishment...
Blacks rely as much or more than anyone on their leaders.
And for good reason.
But unfortunately for Bernie Sanders campaign, these leaders are part of the establishment.
And they will be hard pressed to risk their place in the establishment.
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:thatsright:
I love it when they fellate one third of their minority board membership.
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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #12)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 05:28 PM
bravenak (23,501 posts)
16. I will tell you
The eighties were such hell that getting a president who kinda liked black people was heaven. Reagan was a hard man.
Our unemployment went down.
Black folks were rising in govt.
We had political power under clinton who NEEDED us.
Comparing 1980 to 1995? I'll take 95 all day!!! Way better than WE ever had it before. EVER.
Carter was President in 1980. :whistling:
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This just brings us back to the forgotten point: Bill Clinton, by his own admission, was America's first black POTUS.
I can see why people who enjoy being a part of a collective would feel comfortable voting for his wife.
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Response to bravenak (Original post)Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:55 PM
Star Member BumRushDaShow (17,667 posts)
70. That was an interesting analysis
although I would disagree with the comment that Hillary was somewhat "bourgeois". Both Clintons are (IMHO) "noveaux (rich)" but seemed to have generally presented themselves over the decades as somewhat rough and tumble. The "bourgeois" ones are the Romneys or Fiorinas - always uptight and overly concerned with appearance and perceptions of themselves.
That is amazing, coming from a (D)Ummie who supports a party whos primary concern is imagery and symbolism, and whos supporters run faster than Jesse Owens to their nearest safe space when facts challenge their appearances and perceptions of themselves.
CMD
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I'm not going to research and post any links, but I believe more black American families moved from lower class to middle class under Reagan's economic boom than any other group in America. Cut the handouts and create jobs and everybody benefits. Now there's no black middle class. It's either Beyoncé filthy rich or poverty poor. Not sure where my buddy Kanye fits in. :whatever:
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I'm not going to research and post any links, but I believe more black American families moved from lower class to middle class under Reagan's economic boom than any other group in America. Cut the handouts and create jobs and everybody benefits. Now there's no black middle class. It's either Beyoncé filthy rich or poverty poor. Not sure where my buddy Kanye fits in. :whatever:
I do believe you are right. Might be a good assignment for someone with young eyes and time on their hands.
Liberals fear the Reagan Legacy because it destroyed the myth of Landslide Lyndon and FDR's greater good through Socialism Lite with real results that raised up all people.