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Title: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: GOBUCKS on February 27, 2016, 06:22:23 PM
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Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:04 PM
Star Member Stinky The Clown (53,528 posts)

Some, even here in DU, have averred a "deal" between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump . . . .

. . . . to kill the Republican Party.

Do you think this is possible? Do you think this is, in fact, underway now?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027645276


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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:08 PM
Star Member lamp_shade (11,169 posts)
1. Yes I do. Maybe a deal... maybe a bet... maybe a dare.


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Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:12 PM
Star Member hlthe2b (54,855 posts)
3. While I acknowledge that Trump's off-the scale narcissism is able to explain a lot...

this entire episode and his role is truly enigmatic to me. If some plot between the two ends up being the case, I will forever be in awe of the ability to pre-plan and manipulate in such a masterful fashion.

The alternative, that Trump is "for real" and so much of our population so ignorant, bigoted, and unthinking of consequences, is frightening to believe... and makes one begin to understand how a Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin can take hold--perhaps even here.


Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:25 PM
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NV Whino (19,922 posts)
5. It's certainly not impossible

I have to admit, I'm waiting for the punchline of the joke.


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Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:02 PM
Star Member madinmaryland (59,348 posts)
8. A deal between the two, No. A dare...

One will really never know.


Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Carl on February 27, 2016, 06:55:19 PM
Possible but will take my chances on getting some domestic policy.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: I_B_Perky on February 27, 2016, 10:21:28 PM
Trump scares the libbies in general and the dummies in particular. Wetting their pants is what they are doing.  He has turned the MSM tactics back on them and it is driving them crazy. I honestly think neither party knows what to do with him.


I don't like Trump at all, not one bit.... ya gotta admit though it is entertaining to watch the elite of both parties shit their depends over a Bernie v Trump election. 

Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2016, 10:40:22 PM
Trump scares the libbies in general and the dummies in particular.
He scares me too.  He's stupid and dangerous.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: GOBUCKS on February 27, 2016, 11:22:27 PM
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ya gotta admit though it is entertaining

He was entertaining six months ago. Now he's embarrassing, offensive, and scary.

And the nuts who support him are scarier.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BlueStateSaint on February 28, 2016, 04:44:48 AM
Did anyone see the piece about the Stony Brook prof who developed a mathematical formula to predict the general election winner?  It was out about Thursday of last week.  He went back and the formula was able to predict the winner of every general election for President since 1912, except for the 1960 election.  Turns out that any Republican has a 61 percent chance of winning this GE, and Trump's chances range from in between 97 and 99 percent.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Patriot Guard Rider on February 28, 2016, 04:57:36 AM
Did anyone see the piece about the Stony Brook prof who developed a mathematical formula to predict the general election winner?  It was out about Thursday of last week.  He went back and the formula was able to predict the winner of every general election for President since 1912, except for the 1960 election.  Turns out that any Republican has a 61 percent chance of winning this GE, and Trump's chances range from in between 97 and 99 percent.

I saw that. I'm pretty much undecided on who I want. I lean Cruz but it's becoming apparent he's out (my opinion).

Trump, for all his bluster, knows what office he's going for. I'm willing to bet his demeanor changes significantly IF elected. He's outspoken and turned the media on themselves, shut down hitlarys "war on women" with one tweet and is venting the anger most of America has by going after the establishment and traveling a road never before seen in American politics.

That said, I'm happy with either Trump or Cruz.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BlueStateSaint on February 28, 2016, 05:35:03 AM
I saw that. I'm pretty much undecided on who I want. I lean Cruz but it's becoming apparent he's out (my opinion).

Trump, for all his bluster, knows what office he's going for. I'm willing to bet his demeanor changes significantly IF elected. He's outspoken and turned the media on themselves, shut down hitlarys "war on women" with one tweet and is venting the anger most of America has by going after the establishment and traveling a road never before seen in American politics.

That said, I'm happy with either Trump or Cruz.


I agree 100%, with the caveat that he'll remember that disgruntled conservatives put him in a position to win.  If you're loyal to Trump, he's loyal to you.  It's the Way of Business.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: SVPete on February 28, 2016, 09:52:19 AM
 :rotf: :lmao: A Clinton-Trump cabal to get The CHILL elected President?! :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: That's about the looniest thing I've heard in a long time. :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: I know this is from DU, but why are they venturing this far into FantasyLand?! :lmao: :rotf:

If nothing else, Trump's ego and ambition guarantee that he is running in earnest. And his rhetoric should have DU-folk buying Ex-Lax by the case.

Personally, Trump is too much of a government entrepreneur, and his bluster too reminiscent of Ahhhh-nold for me to trust. In the Primary at least.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: GOBUCKS on February 28, 2016, 12:56:04 PM
I wonder who funded that study.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BlueStateSaint on February 28, 2016, 01:30:56 PM
I wonder who funded that study.

Seeing that he's at the State University of New York--Stony Brook, I'd say that the citizens of New York State did.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Zathras on February 28, 2016, 02:53:24 PM
He scares me too.  He's stupid and dangerous.

True, but not as stupid and dangerous as the alternative of HiLIARy or Sanders Claus.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: jukin on February 28, 2016, 03:22:52 PM
Trump has all the right people hating him. Ergo he is my man.

Dear DUchebags, it won't be Trump that destroys the GOP. It will be the current elite of the party telling their base to FYSs. If  they do that it is the end of the republican party.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: fatboy on February 28, 2016, 06:49:41 PM
I saw that. I'm pretty much undecided on who I want. I lean Cruz but it's becoming apparent he's out (my opinion).

Trump, for all his bluster, knows what office he's going for. I'm willing to bet his demeanor changes significantly IF elected. He's outspoken and turned the media on themselves, shut down hitlarys "war on women" with one tweet and is venting the anger most of America has by going after the establishment and traveling a road never before seen in American politics.

That said, I'm happy with either Trump or Cruz.

Another in agreement. I do think that Trump would do a better job running against Hillary and will do better at getting "his way" as President. The only unknown is just exactly what will be "his way" once he gets elected. But over all I think Trump has the potential to be a great President.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: I_B_Perky on February 28, 2016, 09:37:34 PM
Trump has all the right people hating him. Ergo he is my man.

Dear DUchebags, it won't be Trump that destroys the GOP. It will be the current elite of the party telling their base to FYSs. If  they do that it is the end of the republican party.

Won't be the end of the GOP.  Just like if bernie is the nominee it won't be the end of the dems.  Too much old school elite money funding both.  They will pay lip service and chalk it up to the natives are restless. 

Another in agreement. I do think that Trump would do a better job running against Hillary and will do better at getting "his way" as President. The only unknown is just exactly what will be "his way" once he gets elected. But over all I think Trump has the potential to be a great President.

What scares me about Trump is I think he is really a NYC liberal doing a PT Barnum.  I think is he a very smart person and telling people what they want to hear.  Not too different like any other politician... but I believe the conservatives that support him are in for a big disappointment if he is elected.

The person that stands up and says his/her first day in office they will assign a task force to go thru the federal register with the goal of cutting out all the stupid regs in it and then push to enact the fair tax will get my vote.  That right there will free this country's shackles and allow the economy to recover.  Once the economy recovers, then we can turn our attention to the debt.

None of the politicians running want to take the power away from DC and to do that you take the power away to manipulate the tax code and the regulations.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: FiddyBeowulf on February 29, 2016, 08:11:44 AM
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    Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:12 PM
    Star Member hlthe2b (54,855 posts)
    3. While I acknowledge that Trump's off-the scale narcissism is able to explain a lot...

    this entire episode and his role is truly enigmatic to me. If some plot between the two ends up being the case, I will forever be in awe of the ability to pre-plan and manipulate in such a masterful fashion.

    The alternative, that Trump is "for real" and so much of our population so ignorant, bigoted, and unthinking of consequences, is frightening to believe... and makes one begin to understand how a Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin can take hold--perhaps even here.

It goes a long way to explain how Obama got elected and then reelected.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Carl on February 29, 2016, 08:21:47 AM
It goes a long way to explain how Obama got elected and then reelected.

Plus why so many still think crazy bernie is going to hand them all keys to the treasury.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: fatboy on February 29, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
A comment. The Republicans in the House and Senate have allowed Obama to assume power that he is not granted in the Constitution. The only way we get a future Hitler type to exercise that kind of power in the WH is if congressional Republicans allow it. Checks and balances require input and action from the other branches of the government.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: ROCKURWORLD on February 29, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Won't be the end of the GOP.  Just like if bernie is the nominee it won't be the end of the dems.  Too much old school elite money funding both.  They will pay lip service and chalk it up to the natives are restless. 

What scares me about Trump is I think he is really a NYC liberal doing a PT Barnum.  I think is he a very smart person and telling people what they want to hear.  Not too different like any other politician... but I believe the conservatives that support him are in for a big disappointment if he is elected.

The person that stands up and says his/her first day in office they will assign a task force to go thru the federal register with the goal of cutting out all the stupid regs in it and then push to enact the fair tax will get my vote.  That right there will free this country's shackles and allow the economy to recover.  Once the economy recovers, then we can turn our attention to the debt.

None of the politicians running want to take the power away from DC and to do that you take the power away to manipulate the tax code and the regulations.

Amen!!! I hope Cruz can pull it out. He seems to be the closest to a Constitutional Conservative of the bunch.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: FiddyBeowulf on February 29, 2016, 01:48:46 PM


What scares me about Trump is I think he is really a NYC liberal doing a PT Barnum.
  I think is he a very smart person and telling people what they want to hear.  Not too different like any other politician... but I believe the conservatives that support him are in for a big disappointment if he is elected.


He is basically acting the role of the typical GOP/Rethuglican/TEAhadist in any DUmmie bouncy, thinking that is what the accurate portrayal of a conservative is.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: IndiCon15 on February 29, 2016, 01:59:41 PM
No policy/angry and petty "Debate Trump" scares me.  But Trump vs political correctness I like.  I'm on again, off again with that Trump.  The whole thing is dizzying trying to wrap my head around it. 
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on February 29, 2016, 04:01:07 PM
He was entertaining six months ago. Now he's embarrassing, offensive, and scary.

And the nuts who support him are scarier.


     I think at some point we have to consider that accepting the devil we know is preferable to accepting the asshole scumbag idiot moron narcissist ****stick Trump. There has to be a line of thinking at the RNC that they harpoon Trump, he goes independent, normal people vote for whomever we trot out for the actual nominee, and we batten down the hatches for 2020. Trump vs Hillary is like choosing which nut I want kicked.

     Anyone claiming to be conservative cannot support Trump: he would absolutely enrich himself illegally. He would absolutely ignore every law he'd choose not to obey. He would absolutely use the power of the office to destroy anyone he so chooses. In brief, everything the liberals pretended to be true about Bush, will definitely be true of Trump. No thinking person can support that sorry, mentally ill son of a bitch.
     
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: GOBUCKS on February 29, 2016, 05:37:34 PM
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But Trump vs political correctness I like.

The problem is, this vicious, raving lunatic and the nuts who support him consider any trace of human decency to be "political correctness".
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Patriot Guard Rider on February 29, 2016, 05:50:09 PM
The problem is, this vicious, raving lunatic and the nuts who support him consider any trace of human decency to be "political correctness".

With all due respect, human decency lead to Cologne, it has led to Calais and countless other cities worldwide. Political correctness and human decency, has led to a muslim invasion of europe, and shortly, here. Human decency, by allowing muslims into Russia, resulted in a toddler being beheaded in Moscow. Human decency led to a woman in Oklahoma being beheaded, at work, shelter worker in Sweden being murdered by a 15 year old (the same woman who took care of this savage). At what point, is enough, enough?

At what point do we say human decency, and political correctness, doesn't work with savages living in the 7th century?

Trumps support comes from exactly that. People tired of seeing what's going on, and what's a stake (steak as the DUmmies would say), and decide something drastic must be done.

Personally, I don't have a problem with illegals from mexico being here PROVIDED they are law abiding, pay taxes, love their families and make every effort to assimilate. Kick out the illegal gang bangers (that'd be 100's of thousands, with strict monitoring (via a wall if necessary), to guard against them coming back.

Tax the illegals here when they send remittance back to mexico at 20% or so. Sure, that'll lead to an underground to get cash back, but when hit in the wallet, many will voluntarily go back.

I understand your point, but in my opinion, enough is enough. Trump or Cruz, provided they're tough on immigration and getting rid of lawless illegals, is ok by me.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: thundley4 on February 29, 2016, 05:58:13 PM
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With all due respect, human decency lead to Cologne, it has led to Calais and countless other cities worldwide. Political correctness and human decency, has led to a muslim invasion of europe, and shortly, here.

No. Human decency would have been helping those people stay in their own country and fighting to help make it a better place. Liberal Political Correctness was letting them invade other countries.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Patriot Guard Rider on February 29, 2016, 06:00:28 PM
No. Human decency would have been helping those people stay in their own country and fighting to help make it a better place. Liberal Political Correctness was letting them invade other countries.

Point taken.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: I_B_Perky on February 29, 2016, 06:22:39 PM
Amen!!! I hope Cruz can pull it out. He seems to be the closest to a Constitutional Conservative of the bunch.

To be honest I do not particularly like Cruz either.  He has good points, no doubt about that.  I can't help think that the person the USA desperately needs at this moment is not running. Probably does not exist.

To me, we need someone that will work to take the power out of the DC elites, and by extension, the big banks and companies.  We do that by taking the tax code manipulation power away from DC by enacting the fair tax.  Want to raise taxes? Do it on everyone and risk losing your elected position.  The same deal applies to the federal register.  I read something somewhere where dupont made a proposal to change the requirements for AC refrigerant to their new whatever it is.  Used globull warming as an excuse.  Their proposal, if enacted, will require refitting all garages.  There goes the neighborhood garage.   

The reason behind it all?  The patent is expiring on the current refrigerant. 

That is the bullshit game going on in DC and the people are getting screwed.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Patriot Guard Rider on February 29, 2016, 06:44:46 PM
To be honest I do not particularly like Cruz either.  He has good points, no doubt about that.  I can't help think that the person the USA desperately needs at this moment is not running. Probably does not exist.

To me, we need someone that will work to take the power out of the DC elites, and by extension, the big banks and companies.  We do that by taking the tax code manipulation power away from DC by enacting the fair tax.  Want to raise taxes? Do it on everyone and risk losing your elected position.  The same deal applies to the federal register.  I read something somewhere where dupont made a proposal to change the requirements for AC refrigerant to their new whatever it is.  Used globull warming as an excuse.  Their proposal, if enacted, will require refitting all garages.  There goes the neighborhood garage.   

The reason behind it all?  The patent is expiring on the current refrigerant. 

That is the bullshit game going on in DC and the people are getting screwed.

You're missing the point. The people are getting screwed, but the right people are getting paid.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: I_B_Perky on February 29, 2016, 07:13:09 PM
You're missing the point. The people are getting screwed, but the right people are getting paid.

 :-)

Yep!!!  And it ain't us.  Hell we don't even get a kiss afterwards. 

H5!   :cheersmate:

Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: IndiCon15 on February 29, 2016, 07:34:59 PM
The problem is, this vicious, raving lunatic and the nuts who support him consider any trace of human decency to be "political correctness".

I wouldn't say he's a raving lunatic, but his debate performances make him look narcissistic ass.  I dont think his supporters are nuts but I wonder if they're having some cognitive dissonance in that the reality is, no one really knows what he's gonna do, and not knowing creates anxiety.  And to relieve that anxiety, you have to either be totally with him, or totally against him.  And then you have to sell that to yourself every time a doubt creeps in.  I figure conservatism is a code of ethics, and you can chose a candidate who best represents that code, so you put the code before the man.  But with Trump, no one really knows what his code of ethics is.  So you put the man before the code because the code is still a question. 

Maybe I haven't seen it and he's got his policy all laid out.  Isn't anyone curious how he's gonna do the things he says he's gonna do?
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on February 29, 2016, 08:28:51 PM
Isn't anyone curious how he's gonna do the things he says he's gonna do?

     He has no intention of doing anything except stealing money and antagonizing people with his out-of-control, maniacal ego. He honestly thinks he can "make deals" with Putin? Putin knows 50 ways to kill Trump with his bare hands. Putin probbaly has $10 for every $1 Trump claims to have. Putin will piss on Trump. You think the mullahs are afraid of Trump? All they have to do is pay their operatives at MSNBC to insult him, and he'll lose his mind and do something stupid, perhaps stupider even than 0loser.

     Take Trump at face value. He's a pathetic sack of insecure, egotistical shit who just happens to be rich. 


     
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: USA4ME on February 29, 2016, 09:32:46 PM
Trump is not what's killing the Republican Party. What's killing the R's are the party leaders saying if they don't get the nominee they want that they're going to broker the convention or run a third party or any number of other threats. Also all these party people like Romney coming out and making comments about Trump aren't making the tactics of the party leadership any less disgusting.  I don't like Trump, but I dislike the party leadership doing what they're trying to do even less.

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Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: IndiCon15 on February 29, 2016, 11:17:19 PM
   

     Take Trump at face value. He's a pathetic sack of insecure, egotistical shit who just happens to be rich. 

More and more I've had no choice but to take him at face value..... he is egotistical and in terms of insecure, I always wondered if Megan Kelly tapped into that insecurity and there was some sort of anger at his blonde ex wives mixed around in that whole spat.  I have no proof of that btw.......

I'll still vote him though.........reluctantly.....roll the dice.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Chris_ on March 01, 2016, 02:10:13 AM
I wouldn't normally give John Oliver a second of serious thought, but this Trump takedown is hilarious.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Chris_ on March 01, 2016, 03:02:38 AM
I had the misfortune of watching the BBC Evening News.  They sent one of their correspondents to some town in Georgia with a dirt-track race happening and interviewed the spectators.  There was no discussion of policy or any specific details brought up as to what would constitute a Trump Presidency.  The entire segment boiled down to half a dozen trucker-hat wearing people bellowing the inane catchphrase everyone associates with this orange-painted assclown. 

DON'L TRUMP GON MAKE MERIKA GRATE AGIN!
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BlueStateSaint on March 01, 2016, 04:39:05 AM
I think someone on here said something to the effect that "The devil you know is preferable to the devil you don't know."  Meaning, as I see it, that electing Hillary Clinton is preferable to electing Donald Trump.  Because that's what is going to happen.  So, the SCOTUS goes left.  Goodbye 2nd Amendment.  Goodbye borders.  Goodbye Christianity in the USA (unless it's officially "allowed" by the government).

But, hey--you wouldn't have voted for either Trump or the establishment candidate, whoever they may be!  So you'll have the mythical 'moral victory.'  BFD.  Say hi to President Hillary Clinton, because you helped put her there.

Trump's not my favorite candidate--not by a long shot.  But I'm voting against Hillary Clinton, not for Donald Trump.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: USA4ME on March 01, 2016, 07:19:38 AM
Trump's not my favorite candidate--not by a long shot.  But I'm voting against Hillary Clinton, not for Donald Trump.

Trump could be a potential disaster. Billary would be a certain disaster.

Personally, I don't have a problem with illegals from mexico being here PROVIDED they are law abiding, pay taxes, love their families and make every effort to assimilate.

Thing is they aren't law abiding, otherwise they wouldn't be here illegally in the first place.

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Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 01, 2016, 10:49:07 AM
I think someone on here said something to the effect that "The devil you know is preferable to the devil you don't know."  Meaning, as I see it, that electing Hillary Clinton is preferable to electing Donald Trump.  Because that's what is going to happen.  So, the SCOTUS goes left.  Goodbye 2nd Amendment.  Goodbye borders.  Goodbye Christianity in the USA (unless it's officially "allowed" by the government).

But, hey--you wouldn't have voted for either Trump or the establishment candidate, whoever they may be!  So you'll have the mythical 'moral victory.'  BFD.  Say hi to President Hillary Clinton, because you helped put her there.

Trump's not my favorite candidate--not by a long shot.  But I'm voting against Hillary Clinton, not for Donald Trump.


     Trump vs. Hillary is like stating a preference for one turd over another.

     Let me articulate my reasons for believing that a thinking person would not vote for Trump, irrespective of whether one stays home, votes for Hillary, or writes in some other name, like Barry Goldwater (PBUH).

     Donald Trump has demanded to be paid for participation in debates, using the logic that he's driving ratings. Trump is a devotee of civil lawsuits, from which he believes he will extract a lot of money from people who have the temerity to disagree with him. Donald Trump has publicly stated that certain people "had better watch out," simply because they said something (generally factual things) that he doesn't like. Trump cannot speak of anything without referring to "deals," leading a reasonable person to infer that Trump has no values nor morals, only bargaining points.  Trump sees absolutely nothing wrong with plainly and utterly lying about something he said earlier that day.

     You cannot possibly believe that a man like that wouldn't use the power of the office to enrich himself.
     You cannot possibly believe that a man like Trump wouldn't use the power of the executive office to harass and destroy his rivals.
     You cannot possibly believe that a man like him wouldn't sell us all down the river if he sees even the slightest glimmer of benefit in a "deal" for himself.

     Let me explain something to you, and you may already know this: Trump believes that people have "believed" in him, as they have loaned him money and invested with him. He believes he's a dealmaker par excellence, and that makes him wise, trusted, and beloved. That is all false. Trump is the beneficiary of wealth and influence. People who deal with Trump deal with him because they are capitalists, and capitalists are concerned with capital. In fact, Trump is a bad businessperson in a business known for enormous swings and misses, giant variances in outcomes, and extreme bets that often lose. Trump believes that the same mentality, discipline, and approach applies to international relations. It's as false and stupid as loser 0bama's shame- and guilt-based approach to international relations. There is not one world leader, not one, who would trust Trump for more than one second. While Trump is concerned with making a "deal" that Carl Icahn would admire, Russia is concerned with the next hundred years. China won't make a "deal," unless by doing so it creates an intolerable endgame for the United States that is more moves ahead than Trump is capable of seeing. Trump will sell Israel down the river if Putin flatters him. Iran will do to Trump what they did to 0bama. Mexico will simply send people around whatever wall Trump is dumb enough to think he can build, which he won't, because the cartel/Mexican government cabal will simply deposit several hundred million dollars in Trump's overseas accounts to look the other way. Because that is a "deal," and Trump will make it, and then he will look directly into a camera and say that it was a great deal, and he's a great man.

     I respect you, BSS, I truly do, but **** THAT NOISE.

     Trump is not a Republican, or a conservative, and in fact he's not even a Democrat or a liberal. He's what we get for 15+ years of reality TV, celebrity adulation, diminished standards, lessons unlearned or ignored, objectification of wealth and flash, and flat-out boredom. There will be no good outcome to this election; that's just how it goes. Voting for Trump because it's a vote against Hillary is like cutting off your left hand because you're afraid you might use it to cut off your right. I said it once, I'll say it again: everything the lunatics swore was true about Bush would actually be true under Trump. I'm not voting for that bullshit. If that makes me part of the "problem," so be it, but I would argue that our perception of the "problem" is vastly different.

     And lurking DUmmies, **** you, **** Hillary, and **** Bernie Sanders.

       
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BattleHymn on March 01, 2016, 12:05:20 PM
I had the misfortune of watching the BBC Evening News.  They sent one of their correspondents to some town in Georgia with a dirt-track race happening and interviewed the spectators.  There was no discussion of policy or any specific details brought up as to what would constitute a Trump Presidency.  The entire segment boiled down to half a dozen trucker-hat wearing people bellowing the inane catchphrase everyone associates with this orange-painted assclown. 

DON'L TRUMP GON MAKE MERIKA GRATE AGIN!

It's 2016's "Keep Obama in Prez'dent, you know?  Have gave us a phone, he 'gon doo moah." 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio[/youtube]
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: GOBUCKS on March 01, 2016, 12:25:48 PM
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Hillary Clinton is preferable to electing Donald Trump.  Because that's what is going to happen.  So, the SCOTUS goes left.  Goodbye 2nd Amendment.  Goodbye borders.  Goodbye Christianity in the USA (unless it's officially "allowed" by the government).
Seems to me the worst, enduring result from the Hildebeast in the White House will be a solidly left-wing Supreme Court.

Since he has no political or moral foundation, we might get the same thing from Trump.

Otherwise Clinton would be like an extension of the last eight years, largely stalemated by Republicans in Congress.

It appears that the alternative to the politically abhorrent Hildebeast is to turn over the American military, nuclear codes, and executive power to a petty, egomaniacal, raving lunatic.

That's the choice we're being given by the mental giants who have hijacked the Republican Party over the past four years.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 01, 2016, 12:44:06 PM
Seems to me the worst, enduring result from the Hildebeast in the White House will be a solidly left-wing Supreme Court.

Since he has no political or moral foundation, we might get the same thing from Trump.

Otherwise Clinton would be like an extension of the last eight years, largely stalemated by Republicans in Congress.

It appears that the alternative to the politically abhorrent Hildebeast is to turn over the American military, nuclear codes, and executive power to a petty, egomaniacal, raving lunatic.

That's the choice we're being given by the mental giants who have hijacked the Republican Party over the past four years.


       What GOBUCKS said.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Carl on March 01, 2016, 12:59:16 PM
Would a radically left court manage to grant blanket amnesty/citizenship via legal challenges to our immigration laws?
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Karin on March 01, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
As a conservative/republican in New York, I realize my vote doesn't count for much.  Our primaries are so late in the game that everything has already coalesced by the time our day comes around; and in the general it counts about the same.  I will be voting for whoever has the R beside their name, down to dogcatcher.  That's why you haven't seen any impassioned arguments about anybody from me. 
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BattleHymn on March 01, 2016, 01:10:56 PM
As a conservative/republican in New York, I realize my vote doesn't count for much.  Our primaries are so late in the game that everything has already coalesced by the time our day comes around; and in the general it counts about the same.  I will be voting for whoever has the R beside their name, down to dogcatcher.  That's why you haven't seen any impassioned arguments about anybody from me.

Here in my state, our primary falls  just before yours in NY, so it's kind of a moot point for us as well.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: wasp69 on March 01, 2016, 01:13:36 PM
Seems to me the worst, enduring result from the Hildebeast in the White House will be a solidly left-wing Supreme Court.

Since he has no political or moral foundation, we might get the same thing from Trump.

I have bolded the operative phrase in your post for what I'm about to say next.

I seem to remember, during the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, when those of us who were disgusted with the milquetoast candidates the GOPe told us we were going to have to choose from, we were told "yeah, but the alternative is worse!"  In response to Trump, the same GOPe is saying they won't support him.  Quite a different tune from the past 8 years.

What we have seen is the establishment wing of the Republican Party give obama every thing he wants while pretending to be conservative.  For that matter, Andrew C McCarthy penned a very excellent piece at National Review where he coined the perfect phrase for the Boehner/McConnell wing of the party:  Surrender, then play fight.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423679/corker-cardin-congress-obama-iran-nuclear-deal

What we (conservative base) were sold was very different from what we got; this cannot be disputed, it is a fact.  What we get with the GOPe is a known quantity, and I for one will not stand still while I'm sold a bill of goods again.

What you are doing, in your lamenting of the dismantling of the establishment donor class, is speculating what might happen.  If we're handed another establishment, democrat-lite, candidate, I know exactly what's going to happen.

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Otherwise Clinton would be like an extension of the last eight years, largely stalemated by Republicans in Congress.

That is if they hold onto either the HOR or Senate.  After the post 2014 victory, and the subsequent surrender of 1/3 of government back to the democrats, I don't expect they'll hang on to anything except State Houses and Governors Mansions.

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It appears that the alternative to the politically abhorrent Hildebeast is to turn over the American military, nuclear codes, and executive power to a petty, egomaniacal, raving lunatic.

Better than handing them to the woman who would sell them to the highest bidder.

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That's the choice we're being given by the mental giants who have hijacked the Republican Party over the past four years.

The establishment has no one but themselves to blame for this.  If you're part of that problem, then don't whine about what you're seeing.

Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: wasp69 on March 01, 2016, 01:16:12 PM
Would a radically left court manage to grant blanket amnesty/citizenship via legal challenges to our immigration laws?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c2/8a/e6/c28ae66190ab5cf779e4c225fe1e3cd0.jpg)
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BlueStateSaint on March 01, 2016, 01:18:46 PM
I have bolded the operative phrase in your post for what I'm about to say next.

I seem to remember, during the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, when those of us who were disgusted with the milquetoast candidates the GOPe told us we were going to have to choose from, we were told "yeah, but the alternative is worse!"  In response to Trump, the same GOPe is saying they won't support him.  Quite a different tune from the past 8 years.

What we have seen is the establishment wing of the Republican Party give obama every thing he wants while pretending to be conservative.  For that matter, Andrew C McCarthy penned a very excellent piece at National Review where he coined the perfect phrase for the Boehner/McConnell wing of the party:  Surrender, then play fight.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423679/corker-cardin-congress-obama-iran-nuclear-deal

What we (conservative base) were sold was very different from what we got; this cannot be disputed, it is a fact.  What we get with the GOPe is a known quantity, and I for one will not stand still while I'm sold a bill of goods again.

What you are doing, in your lamenting of the dismantling of the establishment donor class, is speculating what might happen.  If we're handed another establishment, democrat-lite, candidate, I know exactly what's going to happen.

That is if they hold onto either the HOR or Senate.  After the post 2014 victory, and the subsequent surrender of 1/3 of government back to the democrats, I don't expect they'll hang on to anything except State Houses and Governors Mansions.

Better than handing them to the woman who would sell them to the highest bidder.

The establishment has no one but themselves to blame for this.  If you're part of that problem, then don't whine about what you're seeing.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: dixierose on March 01, 2016, 01:25:35 PM
I wouldn't normally give John Oliver a second of serious thought, but this Trump takedown is hilarious.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ[/youtube]

I saw that today. It was EPIC!
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Carl on March 01, 2016, 01:39:54 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c2/8a/e6/c28ae66190ab5cf779e4c225fe1e3cd0.jpg)

My thoughts too,imagine 3 young Laurence H. Tribes on the court.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Chris_ on March 01, 2016, 02:14:23 PM
I saw that today. It was EPIC!
This one showed up a couple of days ago. 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OemqVWi_R0k[/youtube]
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: USA4ME on March 01, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
I seem to remember, during the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, when those of us who were disgusted with the milquetoast candidates the GOPe told us we were going to have to choose from, we were told "yeah, but the alternative is worse!"  In response to Trump, the same GOPe is saying they won't support him.  Quite a different tune from the past 8 years.

Oh, they're constantly changing their tune, no doubt. Just a couple of months ago, they were saying "Mr. Trump, will you please sign this petition saying that all candidates will agree to support the Republican nominee and not go third party?" to now saying "We're not supporting Trump if he's the nominee."

So they want Trump to support the R nominee, but they aren't willing to support him if he's the nominee. Double standard.

See, it's crap like that that leaves me hoping the R leadership gets run over by a steamroller.

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Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 01, 2016, 02:37:01 PM

     Here's what we get with Trump:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-marco-rubio-beautiful-hands/index.html


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Washington (CNN)Republican front-runner Donald Trump on Tuesday brushed aside demeaning comments from Marco Rubio about the size of his hands, saying others disagree with the Florida senator.

"He said I have small hands -- I'm actually 6'3", not 6'2" -- but I've always heard people say, 'Donald, you have the most beautiful hands,' " Trump said at a rally in Columbus, Ohio, on Super Tuesday.



     Let's be as honest as we claim we are: how is that any better than 0loser? 
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: wasp69 on March 01, 2016, 03:20:35 PM
In all fairness, and for the sake of disclosure, Trump is not my candidate - Ted Cruz is. 

     Here's what we get with Trump:

     Let's be as honest as we claim we are: how is that any better than 0loser?

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing your point with the juxtaposition of what you've quoted.  What are you trying to say?
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 01, 2016, 03:26:34 PM
In all fairness, and for the sake of disclosure, Trump is not my candidate - Ted Cruz is. 

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing your point with the juxtaposition of what you've quoted.  What are you trying to say?


     That Trump is a vain, insecure, childish *****.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: wasp69 on March 01, 2016, 03:28:37 PM

     That Trump is a vain, insecure, childish *****.

I'd have to ask, to one degree or another, which of the candidates aren't?
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 01, 2016, 03:34:55 PM
I'd have to ask, to one degree or another, which of the candidates aren't?


     Really? I am struggling to recall a candidate of either party on a debate stage in any period of American political history saying that someone is ugly. Or stupid.

     
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: JakeStyle on March 01, 2016, 05:01:00 PM
Well I'm gald to se someone else say it.  I'd rather see the Hildabeast get elected than vote for Trump.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Patriot Guard Rider on March 01, 2016, 05:20:35 PM
Well I'm gald to se someone else say it.  I'd rather see the Hildabeast get elected than vote for Trump.

Not me. I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump (or Cruz), rather than see hitlary get in there.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BlueStateSaint on March 01, 2016, 05:37:26 PM
Not me. I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump (or Cruz), rather than see hitlary get in there.

Same here.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Carl on March 01, 2016, 05:51:36 PM
I understand and respect everyones views here and am no Trump fan,am hoping somehow he will not be our nominee.
He has tapped into a few very correct stances on issues such as immigration and built a following from that as well as the thumbing his nose at the leftist political correct,shut up tactic.

I don`t trust him but if he was elected President I am much more willing to roll the dice on his SCOTUS picks then Clintons.
Hopefully a distrustful Senate GOP would still be willing to stop any that were horrible.

As far as the rest,keep in mind that impeachment is virtually impossible unless the sitting Presidents own party is willing to go along and in Trumps case if he turned into a complete lib I suspect they would so it is not a given he can just go any which way on things with no possible recourse.

It may junk any chance in 2020 but is that any less likely then a Shillary reelection bid succeeding?

Maybe she would just be a place keeper trying to cement the Clinton name in history but between her and Bubba she was the ideologue.

If I have to,I will go with the possible ****ing that might kiss me rather then the certain ****ing who would spit in my face with glee just as soon as to look at me.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: USA4ME on March 01, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
Well I'm gald to se someone else say it.  I'd rather see the Hildabeast get elected than vote for Trump.

Here's the problem:

The party leaders wanted to give us Jeb. When he couldn't make it, they'd have gladly settled for Rubio or Kasich or even Christie. They don't like Carson (conservative) and they don't like Cruz (conservative). Bottom line: They don't like real conservatives. They like David Brooks type conservatives, which is to say, they don't like everyday average, fly-over country type conservatives (you know; normal people), but rather they like moderate-liberal to liberal candidates who call themselves conservatives.

All the party leaders had to do was to get behind Cruz, go strong conservative on ISIS, border security, trade, getting rid of Obamacare, job creation via lowering taxes and creating incentives for people to go into business, etc... Instead, they try and feed us the same promises we know are empty and they have no intention of doing once they get into office. This time, no dice.

Hillary is an extension of Dear Leader, so we're looking at the status quo and let's give away things to our constituents to try to appease and keep them from coming to our houses with torches and pitchforks. Besides, we can't afford her. Debt will be $40 trillion before she's done.

And who knows, maybe Trump will be just as bad or worse. But once you reach a certain level, what's the difference between getting tossed out of a plane without a parachute from 10,000 feet or 12,000 feet? So you get 2,000 more feet to think about how hard the ground is going to be. Same end result.

So it seems a lot of people are willing to roll the dice with Trump because they figure it can't be any worse than if Billary wins. I see their point. Whether I agree or not isn't relevant, but I do see why they are thinking the way they are.

And does anyone think if the R's lose this year that the leadership will permit a real conservative to run and stand a chance next time around? I don't think so. In fact, we may never see another final GE candidate that's a real conservative run again unless they run as an independent or a third party. We will be stuck with liberal and liberal-lite from the two major parties from here until the USA falls in on itself which, given the history of liberalism, is just a matter of time.

.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 01, 2016, 06:17:24 PM
Same here.


     Either prospect is an insult to the intelligence of any thinking American. I hate it, I REALLY hate it, but if a gun's at my head, I'd vote for Trump and try to think of Goldwater (PBUH).

     And if I'm wrong about him, I'll gladly admit it anywhere, anytime, to anyone.

Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: GOBUCKS on March 01, 2016, 06:27:36 PM
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As far as the rest,keep in mind that impeachment is virtually impossible unless the sitting Presidents own party is willing to go along and in Trumps case if he turned into a complete lib I suspect they would so it is not a given he can just go any which way on things with no possible recourse.

If anyone tried to impeach Trump, he would simply have them killed.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Carl on March 01, 2016, 06:35:42 PM

     Either prospect is an insult to the intelligence of any thinking American. I hate it, I REALLY hate it, but if a gun's at my head, I'd vote for Trump and try to think of Goldwater (PBUH).

     And if I'm wrong about him, I'll gladly admit it anywhere, anytime, to anyone.

I am with you BFDU and have no delusions about Trump.
Nor am I a political neophyte and if a deal is to be sought I would rather he seek it with those that can preserve him over those that intend to politically speaking kill him.

If Scalia had not died I would be far more inclined to go the way you are thinking but now there is one opening on the Court.

Kennedy appointed by Reagan,a swing vote.

Thomas appointed by Bush I and solid.

Ginsburg and Breyer appointed by Clinton,leftist purists.

Roberts and Alito by Bush II,one swing one solid conservative.

Sotomayor and Kagan,by O and so far leftist purists.

That means the possibilty of a total of 5 justices possibly appointed by the next President in their first term given the ages.
If it is Hill they will all end up being leftist purists regardless what they are presented as.

If Trump truly has no actual values (I am not arguing that) then what would he be more willing to make a deal with,the GOP majority with some conservative support or a dem minority?

It is sucky but such is life and often politics.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 01, 2016, 06:50:33 PM
I am with you BFDU and have no delusions about Trump.
Nor am I a political neophyte and if a deal is to be sought I would rather he seek it with those that can preserve him over those that intend to politically speaking kill him.

If Scalia had not died I would be far more inclined to go the way you are thinking but now there is one opening on the Court.

Kennedy appointed by Reagan,a swing vote.

Thomas appointed by Bush I and solid.

Ginsburg and Breyer appointed by Clinton,leftist purists.

Roberts and Alito by Bush II,one swing one solid conservative.

Sotomayor and Kagan,by O and so far leftist purists.

That means the possibilty of a total of 5 justices possibly appointed by the next President in their first term given the ages.
If it is Hill they will all end up being leftist purists regardless what they are presented as.

If Trump truly has no actual values (I am not arguing that) then what would he be more willing to make a deal with,the GOP majority with some conservative support or a dem minority?

It is sucky but such is life and often politics.


     Oh well. Tomorrow when Sanders is finished, all his supporters on DU will suddenly fall in love with Hillary, whereas I will never, ever support Trump, EVER.

     Let's just hope our side has enough money to bribe Blagojevich Trump to put a non-liberal on the court.

     
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Carl on March 01, 2016, 07:03:07 PM

     Oh well. Tomorrow when Sanders is finished, all his supporters on DU will suddenly fall in love with Hillary, whereas I will never, ever support Trump, EVER.

     Let's just hope our side has enough money to bribe Blagojevich Trump to put a non-liberal on the court.

   

I can`t support Trump but will accept him if needed given the near term stakes.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: I_B_Perky on March 01, 2016, 07:26:28 PM
If anyone tried to impeach Trump, he would simply have them killed.

Better watch out GB... Trump may call up the Gambino brothers and have you eliminated.   :tongue:
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: I_B_Perky on March 01, 2016, 07:34:02 PM
I can`t support Trump but will accept him if needed given the near term stakes.

Yep.  I am tired of holding my damned nose and voting for the lesser evil.  This country has 350 million plus people... for goodness sakes is there not one person out there that can run on a platform of reforming the out of control elite in DC?  I'd be happy if someone just ran on the sole platform of implementing the fair tax.

Personally I feel that the best thing that could happen to this country if ISIS or AQ would wipe out DC.  DC is out of control.

 :rant:
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BlueStateSaint on March 02, 2016, 03:39:06 AM
Who do I really want?  Cruz.  If he's still in come the NY primary, he's getting my vote.  As my 'neighbor' Carl said, if it's a choice between Clinton and Trump, I'm going with Trump.  Seeing that Cruz is now projected to take AK as well as TX and OK, he may be in long enough for my vote to matter.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: dixierose on March 02, 2016, 07:10:04 AM
Sorry, there is not way in HELL I can vote for Trump if he's the nominee. I'll just skip the Presidential vote and vote straight REP. for all Senate and House seats available. If I am forced to vote for President, I'll write in Micky Mouse before I'll vote for that clown Trump. He's a mockery to the process, and the damn voters are too blind (think cult) to see it.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: SVPete on March 02, 2016, 07:31:27 AM
* Corrupt power-hungry male-hating crone

* Doddering improvident and incapable believer in a political ideology that slaughtered north of 100M innocents in the 20th Century

* Unprincipled crude demagogue

What a delightful choice!
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: FiddyBeowulf on March 02, 2016, 07:49:01 AM
I wouldn't normally give John Oliver a second of serious thought, but this Trump takedown is hilarious.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ[/youtube]
I finally got to watch the whole thing. Brilliant.

Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 02, 2016, 10:06:04 AM
I finally got to watch the whole thing. Brilliant.

    Should be required viewing. It doesn't make one a liberal to acknowledge when a liberal is right about something. Now I see that Trump is threatening the Speaker of the House if he becomes President. That tears it for me - I'm not voting for that son of a bitch and I couldn't care less what anyone thinks.
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: Patriot Guard Rider on March 02, 2016, 10:52:38 AM
    Should be required viewing. It doesn't make one a liberal to acknowledge when a liberal is right about something. Now I see that Trump is threatening the Speaker of the House if he becomes President. That tears it for me - I'm not voting for that son of a bitch and I couldn't care less what anyone thinks.

Granted it's been a busy past day or two, but I missed him threatening the Speaker. What did he say? (In all honesty, I don't know).
Title: Re: DUmmies Discuss Trump Craziness
Post by: BannedFromDU on March 02, 2016, 11:01:13 AM
Granted it's been a busy past day or two, but I missed him threatening the Speaker. What did he say? (In all honesty, I don't know).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/02/trump-paulryan-will-get-along-well-with-me-or-hes-gonna-have-to-pay-a-big-price/


     That's what we're in for: someone who has absolutely no idea of or use for the separation of powers under the Constitution. No, thank you.