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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on February 04, 2016, 09:03:12 AM
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hifiguy (32,111 posts)
Is it finally time for greed to be treated as a mental illness?
Serious greed - the kind where half a billion, five billion, ten billion, fifty billion just isn't enough? Clearly there is something seriously mentally wrong with those people.
Seems to me that it is. Discuss.
grasswire (44,758 posts)
2. yes, with an intervention
...and that intervention is appropriate taxation.
DUmmies are the most greedy people i know. So, yes you should be treated. Nice projection.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027583627
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Response to hifiguy (Original post)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 07:52 PM
smirkymonkey (16,363 posts)
6. Actually, when it has such a negative impact on society as a whole, I think it should
be treated as a crime and the perpetrators should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law
This is why leftism ends as Stalinism every time.
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DU and its inhabitants should be treated as a mental illness. In fact, it should be treated as a case study on mental illness.
DU should also be credited for its racist, bigoted, and hateful tendencies by the SPLC
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As Milton Friedman said. Who are these angels in government who are not going to be greedy with our money? Something along those lines. DUmmies love mama government.
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grasswire (44,758 posts)
:rotf: :lol: :rotf: :lol: :rotf: :lol: :rotf: :lol: :rotf:
Yeah, like Judy, who gets a lot more from others than what she gives them, and then thinks it isn't enough, isn't her "fair share," isn't greedy.....
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DUmmy logic:
"You have X and you want X + Y. You are greedy. You are mentally ill."
"I have nothing and I want X. I am noble. Give me X, and I'll take Y while I'm at it. I'm perfectly sane."
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As Milton Friedman said. Who are these angels in government who are not going to be greedy with our money? Something along those lines. DUmmies love mama government.
:cheersmate:
High five for the great Austrian economist!
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The hifiguy primitive has become one of my favorites. Claims to be an Aspie and most definitely is someone who has been led to believe they're highly intelligent, but isn't. Guy wouldn't last 2 seconds in real life with me.
He sorta reminds me of the thomas_paine primitive of island personalities past who used a word "Bushevic" countless times in his postings. Always fun to watch the perpetually angry, especially when they think they're smart, which this hifiguy fool believes himself to be.
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Response to hifiguy (Original post)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:00 PM
peasant one (72 posts)
11. I am uncertain if it is a mental illness
I think it is a moral failing and were I a religious person, I think that the rich would have a hard time in any afterlife for failing to give this fortune away or for amassing this in the first place ("Behind every great fortune is a great crime." Balzac). I think the rich should pay a much higher tax rate and there should be a 99% tax on income, assets, and inheritance over a certain amount (don't know what that amount is but I'm sure we could figure that out).
The irony is delicious.
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The hifiguy primitive has become one of my favorites. Claims to be an Aspie and most definitely is someone who has been led to believe they're highly intelligent, but isn't. Guy wouldn't last 2 seconds in real life with me.
He sorta reminds me of the thomas_paine primitive of island personalities past who used a word "Bushevic" countless times in his postings. Always fun to watch the perpetually angry, especially when they think they're smart, which this hifiguy fool believes himself to be.
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:hi5: Well, .....he's used to fooling these idiots, which is a snap using their trigger words.
"Greed". *ding*
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y9AdZUwoF10/UPHDjohDwbI/AAAAAAAAAuo/G9_izoZAfzY/s1600/pavlov-s-dog.jpg)
I wonder where his tin foil buddy, Osmosis, is?
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peasant one (72 posts)
11. I am uncertain if it is a mental illness
I think it is a moral failing and were I a religious person, I think that the rich would have a hard time in any afterlife for failing to give this fortune away or for amassing this in the first place
Oh, you are deeply religious. You, are simply too stupid to realize it.
(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M6ce55fb11729999b21cf26d38eeda7f7o0&w=300&h=300&p=0&pid=1.7)
("Behind every great fortune is a great crime." Balzac)
:hammer: :hammer: :hammer: for quoting Ballsack.
I think the rich should pay a much higher tax rate and there should be a 99% tax on income, assets, and inheritance over a certain amount (don't know what that amount is but I'm sure we could figure that out).
Kulaks, anyone? :lmao: ...and what are you going to do the next year, Idiot?
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DUmmy logic:
"You have X and you want X + Y. You are greedy. You are mentally ill.""
"I have nothing and I want X. I am noble. Give me X, and I'll take Y while I'm at it. I'm perfectly sane."
It's worse than that.
DUmmy logic: "You own X. If you want to keep X, then you are greedy. Desire to keep your own property is a mental illness.
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Fine as long as we make sloth and laziness felonies.
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This bit of silliness is all but self-mocking.
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Why oh why can't the dem party give these (D)Ummies jobs...Speaking publicly in favor of democrats...
They'd do a better job for conservatives than any attack add ever could.
CMD
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Why oh why can't the dem party give these (D)Ummies jobs...Speaking publicly in favor of democrats...
They'd do a better job for conservatives than any attack add ever could.
CMD
:clap:
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Why oh why can't the dem party give these (D)Ummies jobs...Speaking publicly in favor of democrats...
They'd do a better job for conservatives than any attack add ever could.
CMD
That is why the RNC should hire them.
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Dude, school is two weeks in, you need to chill with the weed and hit the books.
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These same DUmmies are the ones who believe that pedophilia should no longer be regarded as a mental illness.
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DU and its inhabitants should be treated as a mental illness. In fact, it should be treated as a case study on mental illness.
DU should also be credited for its racist, bigoted, and hateful tendencies by the SPLC
My wife has said, on more than one occasion, that a PhD. student in psychology could write a thesis on "the DU," and easily get their degree.
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My wife has said, on more than one occasion, that a PhD. student in psychology could write a thesis on "the DU," and easily get their degree.
I think someone did, at some point, but it wasn't all that laudatory.
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Every now and then the mask slips and we see the monster inside. This desire to punish those who merely disagree has been seen before. It is the same mindset that brought the bloody purge in Stalinist Russia. Everything they wish for here was soviet policy against its own citizens.
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Every now and then the mask slips and we see the monster inside. This desire to punish those who merely disagree has been seen before. It is the same mindset that brought the bloody purge in Stalinist Russia. Everything they wish for here was soviet policy against its own citizens.
What is different in this case, and in this age, is the complete and utter lack of balls on the part of any and every Democrat. When I start thinking that Democrats pose an existential threat to anyone, anywhere, I just remind myself that "activism" to them means posting on an exclusive message board, and "direct action" to them means creating a "devastating" meme and praying to God that Jon Stewart sees it on Imgur. "Advocacy" to a liberal means urging other poor people to give money to pedophiles, and "research" means glancing at the blatherings of someone so insecure in his knowledge and intellect that he has to call himself "the Science Guy."
Whereas Stalin would flat out kill you dead, liberals now glower and wonder when Lewis Black will come back to town and tell Sarah Palin jokes.
Quoth Walter Sobchak: "These men are cowards, Donny."
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The inadequate, liberal male fears and wants to hurt the men that they perceive as more powerful. The money is symbolic of male power. To a liberal, a man with too much power must have that power reduced or taken away. The powerful man must be castrated. And the urgency behind it, ie wall street MUST be stopped. Or the 1 percent are evil! The urgency is that the powerful must be castrated BEFORE they castrate us. Because of zero sum game. When one man wins, another loses, the rich need to lose, we need to win. Fear those who succeed. When this stuff is deep in the liberal male psyche, that's what is called an unresolved oedipal complex. That's why anything and everything that threatens true masculinity comes solely from the left.
I think the resolved oedipal complex leaves a boy realizing that while he can't have what his father has ie the mother, he is just like his dad, and can obtain the same kind of power in his own life. Maybe the liberal male never realizes this, never realizes that they desire power and they can obtain power. Instead, they spend their lives feeling powerless next to those they deem powerful, and want to reduce and castrate those who are powerful.
I've heard with my own ears a liberal professor saying that the idea of "pulling yourself up by your boot straps" is racist. Because not everyone can....ie white privilege etc etc. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is the main way a man can obtain power. take your life into your own hands. Fight the unfairness of society, dont complain about it, and secure your place in the world. Forget about what other people have, concentrate on yourself. Yet the liberal not only says that is not the way, but that to even suggest it is racist or in other words, evil.
So all these asshats who never fully realized the power that they could have and obtain on their own, they work to make society easier, more inclusive, less masculine, and more unfriendly to those who want to excel or who have excelled.
tl:dr liberalism is a result of serious mental dysfunction.
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The inadequate, liberal male fears and wants to hurt the men that they perceive as more powerful. The money is symbolic of male power. To a liberal, a man with too much power must have that power reduced or taken away. The powerful man must be castrated. And the urgency behind it, ie wall street MUST be stopped. Or the 1 percent are evil! The urgency is that the powerful must be castrated BEFORE they castrate us. Because of zero sum game. When one man wins, another loses, the rich need to lose, we need to win. Fear those who succeed. When this stuff is deep in the liberal male psyche, that's what is called an unresolved oedipal complex. That's why anything and everything that threatens true masculinity comes solely from the left.
I think the resolved oedipal complex leaves a boy realizing that while he can't have what his father has ie the mother, he is just like his dad, and can obtain the same kind of power in his own life. Maybe the liberal male never realizes this, never realizes that they desire power and they can obtain power. Instead, they spend their lives feeling powerless next to those they deem powerful, and want to reduce and castrate those who are powerful.
I've heard with my own ears a liberal professor saying that the idea of "pulling yourself up by your boot straps" is racist. Because not everyone can....ie white privilege etc etc. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is the main way a man can obtain power. take your life into your own hands. Fight the unfairness of society, dont complain about it, and secure your place in the world. Forget about what other people have, concentrate on yourself. Yet the liberal not only says that is not the way, but that to even suggest it is racist or in other words, evil.
So all these asshats who never fully realized the power that they could have and obtain on their own, they work to make society easier, more inclusive, less masculine, and more unfriendly to those who want to excel or who have excelled.
tl:dr liberalism is a result of serious mental dysfunction.
H freakin 5 for that. :cheersmate:
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The inadequate, liberal male fears and wants to hurt the men that they perceive as more powerful. The money is symbolic of male power. To a liberal, a man with too much power must have that power reduced or taken away. The powerful man must be castrated. And the urgency behind it, ie wall street MUST be stopped. Or the 1 percent are evil! The urgency is that the powerful must be castrated BEFORE they castrate us. Because of zero sum game. When one man wins, another loses, the rich need to lose, we need to win. Fear those who succeed. When this stuff is deep in the liberal male psyche, that's what is called an unresolved oedipal complex. That's why anything and everything that threatens true masculinity comes solely from the left.
I think the resolved oedipal complex leaves a boy realizing that while he can't have what his father has ie the mother, he is just like his dad, and can obtain the same kind of power in his own life. Maybe the liberal male never realizes this, never realizes that they desire power and they can obtain power. Instead, they spend their lives feeling powerless next to those they deem powerful, and want to reduce and castrate those who are powerful.
I've heard with my own ears a liberal professor saying that the idea of "pulling yourself up by your boot straps" is racist. Because not everyone can....ie white privilege etc etc. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is the main way a man can obtain power. take your life into your own hands. Fight the unfairness of society, dont complain about it, and secure your place in the world. Forget about what other people have, concentrate on yourself. Yet the liberal not only says that is not the way, but that to even suggest it is racist or in other words, evil.
So all these asshats who never fully realized the power that they could have and obtain on their own, they work to make society easier, more inclusive, less masculine, and more unfriendly to those who want to excel or who have excelled.
tl:dr liberalism is a result of serious mental dysfunction.
And a new player takes the field. ^5 and well played.
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The inadequate, liberal male fears and wants to hurt the men that they perceive as more powerful. The money is symbolic of male power. To a liberal, a man with too much power must have that power reduced or taken away. The powerful man must be castrated. And the urgency behind it, ie wall street MUST be stopped. Or the 1 percent are evil! The urgency is that the powerful must be castrated BEFORE they castrate us. Because of zero sum game. When one man wins, another loses, the rich need to lose, we need to win. Fear those who succeed. When this stuff is deep in the liberal male psyche, that's what is called an unresolved oedipal complex. That's why anything and everything that threatens true masculinity comes solely from the left.
I think the resolved oedipal complex leaves a boy realizing that while he can't have what his father has ie the mother, he is just like his dad, and can obtain the same kind of power in his own life. Maybe the liberal male never realizes this, never realizes that they desire power and they can obtain power. Instead, they spend their lives feeling powerless next to those they deem powerful, and want to reduce and castrate those who are powerful.
I've heard with my own ears a liberal professor saying that the idea of "pulling yourself up by your boot straps" is racist. Because not everyone can....ie white privilege etc etc. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is the main way a man can obtain power. take your life into your own hands. Fight the unfairness of society, dont complain about it, and secure your place in the world. Forget about what other people have, concentrate on yourself. Yet the liberal not only says that is not the way, but that to even suggest it is racist or in other words, evil.
So all these asshats who never fully realized the power that they could have and obtain on their own, they work to make society easier, more inclusive, less masculine, and more unfriendly to those who want to excel or who have excelled.
tl:dr liberalism is a result of serious mental dysfunction.
All true, but it goes farther than that. Independent individuals of any gender race creed or color, are rightly perceived as being powerful, and therefore hated. You hear it all the time from the (D)Ummies, how the "rugged individual" is a myth, and how individualistic people are "selfish". I wish one of those assholes would shovel the 1/8 mile that is my driveway like I did earlier, then tell me how the rugged individual is a myth. Every time I see them saying that shit, I just want to knock whatever teeth the crack cocaine didn't take right down their throats. But anyway...
Money and power or no money and power, if you're an individual who can think for yourself, if you're an individual who is able to solve your own problems, if you're an individual that doesn't need or want government handouts and/or a helping hand, if you desire independence in any meaningful or significant way, you are the enemy.
My suspicion, is that many if not most of these people and I use that term loosely, are simply failures, and absolutely can not abide others that aren't. They make the argument about strong safety nets all the time, but then they suggest every means possible to get as many people bouncing in those nets. That, to me, says that its not about helping people, its about making everyone part of a system. Especially those who want no part of it.
There was a time in my misspent youth, when I not only could not control myself, I also had no idea the value of doing so or the empowerment that comes with it. Basically I didn't give a shit. Since I learned how empowering self control is (and grew up a bit), not a day goes by where I don't give it a thought. The key to the world and everything in it, is to master ones self in any and every way possible. Very few will achieve that goal in its entirety, but one need not do that, to reap the benefits.
The people you're talking about, and the people I'm talking about, find the idea of mastering ones self repulsive. The professor in your example, did not master him/her self. In fact, probably never even set foot on the path, let alone taking a step or two. They jumped through a bunch of hoops and got someone else who had not mastered themselves, to give them a piece of paper saying that he/she now has authoritah on some subject or another. Thats not a sign of success, thats a sign of bowing and being accepted into a system in which hoop jumping is the measure of the person. That piece of paper they hang on their wall is a symbol of authoritah. Symbolism, as usual with the left. Look how much self control melissa click had. Look how much self control bainsbane has. They seek authority and control over others, because they have no control of themselves.
These are people that couldn't change a tire or jump start a car if their lives depended on it. Nevermind cleaning and maintaining ones own home air conditioning, or fixing ones own roof, or shoveling ones own driveway. If you can do those things or you're the sort of person who makes it your business to learn how rather than calling for help, they not only hate you, they resent you for it. Because it means far more in the real world, and is thus far more significant than that symbolic piece of paper hanging on their wall. Thats not to say that there aren't highly successful individuals with degrees - there are. Just remember that highly successful types are the people that are hated, while the ones who have nothing BUT a symbolic 'african studies' degree or the like are the ones doing the hating.
In short, they hate the empowered, but love those who are perceived as not empowered who jump through the hoops they see as meaningful. The end result, is resentment, hatred, and envy, toward people like us, degree or no degree, wealth or no wealth. In all seriousness, theirs is among the most evil ideologies to ever plague mankind.
CMD
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Money and power or no money and power, if you're an individual who can think for yourself, if you're an individual who is able to solve your own problems, if you're an individual that doesn't need or want government handouts and/or a helping hand, if you desire independence in any meaningful or significant way, you are the enemy.
Definitely, and like your namesake, they are collectivists. They trade their own personal liberty for the security of the collective. Now, unless you live in a cabin in the woods, we're all part of some collective. But the conservative values liberty very highly, and we're vigilant about protecting it. Liberals on the other hand, are easily swayed by the relief the collective gives them for their anxieties over ambivalent feeling. They easily hand over their power to federal government. And then we're the assholes because we won't. It's like we stand between them and their relief.
My suspicion, is that many if not most of these people and I use that term loosely, are simply failures, and absolutely can not abide others that aren't. They make the argument about strong safety nets all the time, but then they suggest every means possible to get as many people bouncing in those nets. That, to me, says that its not about helping people, its about making everyone part of a system. Especially those who want no part of it.
Absolutely, and that feeling of failure runs deep. No matter how much success they may have, wife, kids, good job, they'll always feel like failures. And when you say, "That, to me, says that its not about helping people, its about making everyone part of a system." I think again, that's trading emotional liberty for emotional security.
The people you're talking about, and the people I'm talking about, find the idea of mastering ones self repulsive. The professor in your example, did not master him/her self. In fact, probably never even set foot on the path, let alone taking a step or two. They jumped through a bunch of hoops and got someone else who had not mastered themselves, to give them a piece of paper saying that he/she now has authoritah on some subject or another.
I'm going through college a second time as an adult, and I worked for at least a decade before this, and you're right, These professors live in a bubble. You can tell when someone hasn't been out in the real world. They're view of reality is so distorted. I had one professor try to compare the Jewish ghettos of Europe to today's ethnic neighborhoods of Los Angeles. They're absence from the real world keeps them in an infantile state. And what baby likes sharing control.....
In short, they hate the empowered, but love those who are perceived as not empowered who jump through the hoops they see as meaningful. The end result, is resentment, hatred, and envy, toward people like us, degree or no degree, wealth or no wealth. In all seriousness, theirs is among the most evil ideologies to ever plague mankind.
CMD
Very well said. And thanks for the hi 5's gentlemen! Much appreciated. But yes..... I sadly agree that the ideology of the left is true evil. It's more dangerous to our country than radical islam. IMO. It'll be liberalism, or progressivism, or whatever you want to call it, that will erode our values and society while simultaneously letting in all the riff raff.
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The inadequate, liberal male fears and wants to hurt the men that they perceive as more powerful. The money is symbolic of male power. To a liberal, a man with too much power must have that power reduced or taken away. The powerful man must be castrated. And the urgency behind it, ie wall street MUST be stopped. Or the 1 percent are evil! The urgency is that the powerful must be castrated BEFORE they castrate us. Because of zero sum game. When one man wins, another loses, the rich need to lose, we need to win. Fear those who succeed. When this stuff is deep in the liberal male psyche, that's what is called an unresolved oedipal complex. That's why anything and everything that threatens true masculinity comes solely from the left.
I think the resolved oedipal complex leaves a boy realizing that while he can't have what his father has ie the mother, he is just like his dad, and can obtain the same kind of power in his own life. Maybe the liberal male never realizes this, never realizes that they desire power and they can obtain power. Instead, they spend their lives feeling powerless next to those they deem powerful, and want to reduce and castrate those who are powerful.
I've heard with my own ears a liberal professor saying that the idea of "pulling yourself up by your boot straps" is racist. Because not everyone can....ie white privilege etc etc. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is the main way a man can obtain power. take your life into your own hands. Fight the unfairness of society, dont complain about it, and secure your place in the world. Forget about what other people have, concentrate on yourself. Yet the liberal not only says that is not the way, but that to even suggest it is racist or in other words, evil.
So all these asshats who never fully realized the power that they could have and obtain on their own, they work to make society easier, more inclusive, less masculine, and more unfriendly to those who want to excel or who have excelled.
tl:dr liberalism is a result of serious mental dysfunction.
A well-deserved high five.
May I use some of this? With attribution, of course.
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All true, but it goes farther than that. Independent individuals of any gender race creed or color, are rightly perceived as being powerful, and therefore hated. You hear it all the time from the (D)Ummies, how the "rugged individual" is a myth, and how individualistic people are "selfish". I wish one of those assholes would shovel the 1/8 mile that is my driveway like I did earlier, then tell me how the rugged individual is a myth. Every time I see them saying that shit, I just want to knock whatever teeth the crack cocaine didn't take right down their throats. But anyway...
Money and power or no money and power, if you're an individual who can think for yourself, if you're an individual who is able to solve your own problems, if you're an individual that doesn't need or want government handouts and/or a helping hand, if you desire independence in any meaningful or significant way, you are the enemy.
My suspicion, is that many if not most of these people and I use that term loosely, are simply failures, and absolutely can not abide others that aren't. They make the argument about strong safety nets all the time, but then they suggest every means possible to get as many people bouncing in those nets. That, to me, says that its not about helping people, its about making everyone part of a system. Especially those who want no part of it.
There was a time in my misspent youth, when I not only could not control myself, I also had no idea the value of doing so or the empowerment that comes with it. Basically I didn't give a shit. Since I learned how empowering self control is (and grew up a bit), not a day goes by where I don't give it a thought. The key to the world and everything in it, is to master ones self in any and every way possible. Very few will achieve that goal in its entirety, but one need not do that, to reap the benefits.
The people you're talking about, and the people I'm talking about, find the idea of mastering ones self repulsive. The professor in your example, did not master him/her self. In fact, probably never even set foot on the path, let alone taking a step or two. They jumped through a bunch of hoops and got someone else who had not mastered themselves, to give them a piece of paper saying that he/she now has authoritah on some subject or another. Thats not a sign of success, thats a sign of bowing and being accepted into a system in which hoop jumping is the measure of the person. That piece of paper they hang on their wall is a symbol of authoritah. Symbolism, as usual with the left. Look how much self control melissa click had. Look how much self control bainsbane has. They seek authority and control over others, because they have no control of themselves.
These are people that couldn't change a tire or jump start a car if their lives depended on it. Nevermind cleaning and maintaining ones own home air conditioning, or fixing ones own roof, or shoveling ones own driveway. If you can do those things or you're the sort of person who makes it your business to learn how rather than calling for help, they not only hate you, they resent you for it. Because it means far more in the real world, and is thus far more significant than that symbolic piece of paper hanging on their wall. Thats not to say that there aren't highly successful individuals with degrees - there are. Just remember that highly successful types are the people that are hated, while the ones who have nothing BUT a symbolic 'african studies' degree or the like are the ones doing the hating.
In short, they hate the empowered, but love those who are perceived as not empowered who jump through the hoops they see as meaningful. The end result, is resentment, hatred, and envy, toward people like us, degree or no degree, wealth or no wealth. In all seriousness, theirs is among the most evil ideologies to ever plague mankind.
CMD
Ba-da-bing, this is high five worthy, too!
I would also like to use some of this on the air, with attribution.
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Ba-da-bing, this is high five worthy, too!
I would also like to use some of this on the air, with attribution.
You're more than welcome BD. My crude scribblings are simply examples of things I've observed, and nobody owns them. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate your ethical approach though. I very much do.
CMD
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My suspicion, is that many if not most of these people and I use that term loosely, are simply failures, and absolutely can not abide others that aren't.
CMD
There it is. :hi5:
Jealousy/Envy. Thy name is (D)Ummie.
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Definitely, and like your namesake, they are collectivists. They trade their own personal liberty for the security of the collective. Now, unless you live in a cabin in the woods, we're all part of some collective. But the conservative values liberty very highly, and we're vigilant about protecting it. Liberals on the other hand, are easily swayed by the relief the collective gives them for their anxieties over ambivalent feeling. They easily hand over their power to federal government. And then we're the assholes because we won't. It's like we stand between them and their relief.
Absolutely, and that feeling of failure runs deep. No matter how much success they may have, wife, kids, good job, they'll always feel like failures. And when you say, "That, to me, says that its not about helping people, its about making everyone part of a system." I think again, that's trading emotional liberty for emotional security.
I'm going through college a second time as an adult, and I worked for at least a decade before this, and you're right, These professors live in a bubble. You can tell when someone hasn't been out in the real world. They're view of reality is so distorted. I had one professor try to compare the Jewish ghettos of Europe to today's ethnic neighborhoods of Los Angeles. They're absence from the real world keeps them in an infantile state. And what baby likes sharing control.....
Very well said. And thanks for the hi 5's gentlemen! Much appreciated. But yes..... I sadly agree that the ideology of the left is true evil. It's more dangerous to our country than radical islam. IMO. It'll be liberalism, or progressivism, or whatever you want to call it, that will erode our values and society while simultaneously letting in all the riff raff.
Well said, and high-5, but with one minor nit to pick:
Now, unless you live in a cabin in the woods, we're all part of some collective.
Up to a certain point in this nation, being a part of any collective was voluntary. The left is pulling out all the stops to change that across the boards. The ACA mandate that says I have to buy a product or service simply because I'm alive is a perfect example. That makes me far angrier than any other issue. The arrogant presumption that goes along with it. The framers fought a war against the greatest military of that era over such principles, and that is about how I feel about it. In all seriousness, even setting aside the obvious unconstitutionality of it, that mandate was a declaration of war against my individuality and independence, and yours and everyone elses too. And those that pushed it knew that full well before they passed it.
I decided to edit in some examples of the lefts war on individuals with a marxist twist:
If you successfully defend yourself with a gun, you're called anything from rambo to bloodthirsty to murderer. They hate that you did it, whether anyone was killed or injured or not. Just being for armed self defense makes them hate you, even if you're never involved in a self defense incident. What do they say? "Thats the job of the police, not the job of the individual". Symbolism and authoritah. Again. Then they accuse the nra and pro-gun groups of being party biased, when the truth of the matter is that if you cross people that care about their gun rights, they'll vote you out no matter what party you belong to even if you're at their front door handing out dollar bills. But the accusation, is that groups such as the nra are a "party apparatus". They're accusing others of what they're doing. The environmental movement has become the very same kind of apparatus as the left says the nra is, and it is at war with you, the individual.
The left has long waged a war against those who heat in the winter with wood. First it was the environmental wacko types screaming about saving the trees. We now know from scientific observation and history that smart timber harvesting prevents wild fires. The "trees" argument as they attempted to apply it in America, was bullshit. But that didn't stop them from using it as a club against a group that is strongly represented, and therefore disproportionately effected - those that take care of at least a part of their own heating issues.
Timeshift forward a a couple decades. Now, at the behest of the same insane bunch, this administration is making ridiculous laws about wood stoves. 2.5 million people, roughly 2 percent of Americans, burn wood at the level of "supplemental to almost sole source" of heat. There is no way I'm going to simply buy that 2.5 million people burning wood is a problem. Man has been burning wood since the dawn of mankind. And burning it at less and less of an extent and in more and more efficient ways both in terms of combustion and insulation and heat retention, as society has improved and expanded its methods and technology. But its a huge problem now?
As before, this effects disproportionately which group? You guessed it, the same exact group as when the argument was about trees. It sounds conspiracy minded, but there is an old saying: Nothing in washington happens by accident, and there are no coincidences. They know what they're doing, and who it effects. It doesn't happen in a vacuum
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In my perfect world, outside of being a citizen by birth, I'm a member of nothing until and unless I decide to be. I'd rather die broke alone and in misery and pain at 65, having lived a free life and in keeping with my own principles, than live to 95 in some collectivist nightmare hellhole.
I insist that liberty and freedom not be watered down for mass consumption for any reason. In this world as it is now, living life that way means flying under the radar, lest one be pilloried as an extremist. One should NEVER have to hide their love for liberty and freedom for any reason. That is where they're steering us though.
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In my perfect world, outside of being a citizen by birth, I'm a member of nothing until and unless I decide to be. I'd rather die broke alone and in misery and pain at 65, having lived a free life and in keeping with my own principles, than live to 95 in some collectivist nightmare hellhole.
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Absolutely, good call on the correction. In my head I was throwing around the word loosely thinking that church, family, group of friends could be considered "collectives" but your point about having the ability to choose, who you are, what defines you...that's your liberty, and a collective, especially the liberal collective, doesn't accept that or can be in conflict to that. That's a massively important point to bring up.