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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on January 28, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
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pinebox (2,012 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511075739
I'm sick of the conservatism which has infiltrated the Dem party
and it's especially prevalent among Hillary supporters. I'm sick and tired of it while myself and millions more sit here and swim in over $100k of student loan debt, we're brushed aside with "pipe dreams" and told how Bernie and in some cases O'Malley would never be able to get anything done.
Honestly, I have NEVER been a Democrat. I align with Greens on most issues and I am a registered Indy. Am I liberal? You had better damn believe I am! The Dem party as a whole though left me and I never thought of joining them and after 89 Dems voted to gut SNAP (ironically DWS is one of the Dems who voted for this) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/01/1407839/-Bernie-s-legislative-record it farther alienated me from ever joining. No, that doesn't represent me at ALL and I wondered what ever happened to Dems who used to fight for us, the little guy. The people who don't have much and whose voices are seldom heard.
Then Bernie came along. I have watched Bernie for years and outside of Bernie, if Warren didn't run, my candidate was going to be Jill Stein. I know, she has no hope in being elected which IMHO is shameful but Bernie gave me a shot. A real shot at something which I deeply believe in. So I switched my affiliation to Dem in order to caucus with him.
I'm concerned, I really am and you know what, I am scared shitless. I won't lie. See, Bernie for me represents a lot of things, hope, a lot of hope because myself and millions more have none. We don't. We've lost any and all faith in the political system as as much as I know Hillary supporters are going to shout me down for saying this, for us she is part of the problem. She represents a health care system where millions could potentially die in red states, she doesn't support a living wage federally which enables people to suffer and her college plan does little to nothing to really help people.
My kiddo lives in Germany. Do you know what he pays for college? Basically zero. He'll never ever know what student loan debt is while the reality is I will never own a house and millions more won't either. We won't. Think of the economic impact of that for a second. Millennials are literally the first generation to make less than their parents & you know what, it royally sucks.
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Hillary supporters don't get us but the truth is, we're disenfranchised and we've lost faith in many Dems who call themselves "liberal" but really aren't. Is it any wonder? Look at this below. These are self described Dems? When do Dems say things like this? Since when do Dems sound like Rand Paul and Paul Ryan with "entitlements are over" and "take responsibility" when it comes to minimum wage?
Oh, good lord.
it goes on...
What have I gotten myself into switching my Indy affiliation to Democrat? Honestly, I am now considering switching it back as soon as the election is over because with this sort of crap happening, I see no reason to stick around. That being said, I also know why I switched it and that is solely because of Bernie. ONLY Bernie. Because for me, he's my only hope right now and outside of him I don't have much. When we have Dems who are acting more like Republicans and can't even fight for us on minimum wage issue while Walmart has millions of employees who rely on food stamps, we have a problem America.
You give me ONE single reason why I should vote for Hillary. Honestly, give me one. And don't bring up SCOTUS either when I have NO faith in her appointing judges who will overturn Citizens United. In fact, I have zero faith in her period when she has changed positions on virtually every single issue. Name one she hasn't. All the big issues, where she has stood steadfast on? Other than taking money from Wall Street, give me something!
I am wondering what has happened to Dems. Where are the fighters outside of Warren and now Bernie? Why do we have so many supporters making very conservative comments and not fighting for FDR's second, which in my opinion isn't only a Dem and liberal ideal but a progressive one as well. Why are we capitulating to Republicans? What in the blue hell has happened? We're now throwing universal health care under the bus? We're fighting for a non living wage and we're gutting program's like SNAP? Only 9 senate dems voted against gutting SNAP. 9!!!!!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/2/4/1274997/-Only-9-Senate-Democrats-Voted-Against-the-SNAP-Cutting-Farm-Bill Look at this! http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/republicans-won-food-stamps-farm-bill Seriously! What the hell is going on?
Look, I'm not going to beat around the bush (though it sure seems like some are relatively close to W's "compassionate conservatism" in nature) but why aren't we fighting? I know Bernie supporters are but how about the rest of you? Seriously. Why are you supporting such conservative policies?
I'm going to give you something to think about and I want you all to really THINK about this.
I've heard this used in the last week, from Hillary supporters on the web. (I know not all of her supporters are like this too)
*Socialism!
*He's too old
*Pipe dreams
*He isn't a "real" Democrat!
*By voting for Bernie you'll elect President Trump!
*College shouldn't be free
*Take personal responsibility!
*Minimum wage is for a starting pay job
*Single payer will hurt people
*Bernie wants to raise taxes!
*Republicans will never vote for Bernie!
*He can't get anything done!
*He has done nothing will serving!
On and on.....lots more too...
And I will recant with this and here is what you all to think about and I mean THINK.
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VulgarPoet (175 posts)
1. Goddess willing, this is the primary season that sees the end of the two party system.
Hopefully enough anti-establishment dems walk away from the table when the paladin inevitably manages to steal the primary.
The who? Are they calling Hill 'the palain'?
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restorefreedom (8,333 posts)
7. it will be a nail biter, but i do think this cycle is different
waaaaay more pissed off people. and social media
yup.
jtuck004 (13,797 posts)
98. Yes. President Sanders and Evilhair are running campaigns of the spirit,
Mrs. Clinton's is of the head. And not completely, just in overall tone. None of those are bad, and could all be winners on any given Tuesday.
But you don't want to run a campaign of the head against the spirit if you can help it, and that could result in exactly what you are saying.
On the other hand you have Trump poking fun at all the things which are popular to blame, and people are eating that up, and President Sanders who is (wrongly) now starting to be talked about in terms of raising taxes for health care, on a middle class that is losing it's income and ability to even house itself. Dumb, I think. We won't need to raise taxes unless we are going to continue paying all the criminal bank$ter/jihadists and takers of corporate welfare and the defense industry. And if that's the plan, what the hell are we voting for?
It may be that if there is a President Sanders it will be in spite of himself.
I know people want relief. But when you try to make it better without educating them, they will grab on to the first thing that looks like it won't cost them anything.
Just ask Jimmy Carter.
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DanTex (11,541 posts)
8. If you can't tell the difference between Hillary and the GOP, you are part of the problem.
I don't have much sympathy for people who complain about the state of affairs in the country, but then refuse to vote for Dems because they aren't pure enough. The problems are caused by the GOP. If you want to be part of the solution, vote for Dems.
it goes on for 240+ posts...
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Readers digest version.
"I want free shit!!!!!"
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Well, at least they're not shy about it...
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ[/youtube]
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This DUmmie has over $100K in student loan debt and I will assume has a degree, is pissed off and worried because it
1. Will never own a house
2. Is concerned about its SNAP being gutted
3. Is concerned about a "living wage"
4. Is "scared $hitless" and has lost all hope.
My question is what is your degree in and did you learn anything by your mistake? :mad:
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This DUmmie has over $100K in student loan debt and I will assume has a degree, is pissed off and worried because it
1. Will never own a house
2. Is concerned about its SNAP being gutted
3. Is concerned about a "living wage"
4. Is "scared $hitless" and has lost all hope.
My question is what is your degree in and did you learn anything by your mistake? :mad:
My guess is this: Underwater Native American Wymyn's Basketweaving.
Oh--no. Nothing learned.
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Holy sh*t. Either this guy has completely gone off the deep end or he is the world's worst at projecting. Given the current mindset of the Democratic Party, to say they have gotten too conservative is flat out bonkers.
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pinebox (2,020 posts) Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:56 AM
I'm sick of the conservatism which has infiltrated the Dem party.....
Oh my. I must've been asleep or something.
Has the Democrat party been infiltrated by pro-lifers, supporters of the Second Amendment, advocates for a strong America, those who believe in fiscal responsibility, promoters of more freedom, less government, adherents of God and religion, those who honor the military and who've kept us free, &c., &c., &c.?
Unless that's going on, then no, conservatives have not infiltrated the Democrat party.
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Oh my. I must've been asleep or something.
Has the Democrat party been infiltrated by pro-lifers, supporters of the Second Amendment, advocates for a strong America, those who believe in fiscal responsibility, promoters of more freedom, less government, adherents of God and religion, those who honor the military and who've kept us free, &c., &c., &c.?
Unless that's going on, then no, conservatives have not infiltrated the Democrat party.
These DUmmies, much like many establishment rinos, wouldn't know "conservative" if their lives depends on it.
All they know, is when someone "isn't as far ultra left as I am".
CMD
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My guess is this: Underwater Native American Wymyn's Basketweaving.
Oh--no. Nothing learned.
That was my guess.
pinebox (2,012 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511075739
I'm sick of the conservatism which has infiltrated the Dem party and it's especially prevalent among Hillary supporters. I'm sick and tired of it while myself and millions more sit here and swim in over $100k of student loan debt,
Hope you enjoy your career.
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This DUmmie has over $100K in student loan debt and I will assume has a degree, is pissed off and worried because it
1. Will never own a house
2. Is concerned about its SNAP being gutted
3. Is concerned about a "living wage"
4. Is "scared $hitless" and has lost all hope.
My question is what is your degree in and did you learn anything by your mistake? :mad:
I keep asking the make, model and caliber of the gun pointed at the Dummy's head when he signed the loan documents when he borrowed the money and promised to pay it back.
Just another lie in the litany of lies that makes up all liberals.
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The Bernouts better pray that some sort of indictment against HRC comes soon - because once Super Tuesday comes and goes, It'll be all over except for the crying.