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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on December 10, 2015, 03:52:39 PM
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nadinbrzezinski (142,057 posts)
I have been thinking on why Gun Owners are becoming increasingly defensive
again, looking at facts... sorry... I do not pull this out of thin air.
Gun owners are right now a large minority, but a minoroty nonetheless, in the United States. Most of the owners tend to be older and live in rural areas, both demographics are on the wane, so the percentage of gun owners has been trending down, and now it is around 33 percent nationally. No not me saying it, here from PEW.
Overall, about a third of all Americans with children under 18 at home have a gun in their household, including 34% of families with children younger than 12. That’s nearly identical to the share of childless adults or those with older children who have a firearm at home.
The new research also suggests a paradox: While blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be gun homicide victims, blacks are only about half as likely as whites to have a firearm in their home (41% vs. 19%). Hispanics are less likely than blacks to be gun homicide victims and half as likely as whites to have a gun at home (20%).
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/the-demographics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/
The data reveals other interesting points, More owners will live in the country side, but both rural populations and older populations are waning. There is more... the country is becoming MORE DIVERSE... so it is inevitable that this trend will continue and we will have l less and less actual gun owners. (The talking point of uncontrolled ownership is just not real). Now that does not mean that those who still have guns will not buy more. They in fact are buying more, so gun ownership is getting cncentrated... but this also means that as a GROUP the NRA is likely going to wane in their power to scare your legislator as years go by, and more regulations will be put in place. Why they are becoming more shrill and loud. They can read polls and statistics with the rest of us.
There is also a cultural change that is happening right under our noses, and has been going on for the least decade or so (my opinion it as already generational)... and it is just accelerating. This is going to become less and less acceptable to younger urban populations who's only contact with a gun, for real, is a first person shooter, or the side arm on the cop's holster. Otherwise these are strange devices that are to be feared (which gets in the way of rational policy making). With less people serving in the military that also helps with the cultural change and less acceptance of guns.
There are some tropes that the NRA uses, like the good guy with a gun... will stop crime... which is just as much a romantic view of gun ownership, as the everybody is armed and more people are buying them. The other, self defense against a violent society... well even that is starting to penetrate skulls, that we simply do not have the level of crime we used to have.
But if you are a member of a minority that is becoming less and less in numbers, I can certainly understand the thinking that they are under siege. Sooner or later, all those changes in laws and policies they are fighting, may come reality. It is a slow walk, but I might still see it.
Oh and no, I don't think the 2A will be repealed, but how the majority understands it might be far more in line with earlier eras when the individual right did not take center stage. That I can see, easy.
Word salad deluxe.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027420488
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The nads falls back on the simpleminded explanation of "racism." And she claims to be far more intelligent than the other lowly primitives. :mental: :rotf:
... so it is inevitable that this trend will continue and we will have l less and less actual gun owners.... but this also means that as a GROUP the NRA is likely going to wane in their power to scare your legislator as years go by
To the nads, if you don't own a gun, then you're likely not to support the RKBA. Never occurs to her there's many, many people (I would say most) out there who don't own guns but are supportive of those who do, which puts her stupid little supposition in the DOA category.
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I wonder how many smoke detectors she set off.
But I'm nice, I'll give nads a free clue: gun owners, their possessions, and their rights have been under more or less continual assault here in the US for nearly 5 decades.
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She's an idiot. Gun ownership runs the gamut of ages for both women and men.
One of the real reasons the DUmmies and liberals hate the NRA is very simple. The NRA was there and willing to train black people how to safely use firearms for their own protection from the Democrat founded KKK.
Gun laws were racist and are still racist and sexist.
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Uh, the cousin ****ed up.
One assumes her numbers on gun ownership are on guns that are legally owned and registered.
Which doesn't include guns not legally owned and not registered.
In which case blacks are "more likely" to have guns than what the cousin assumes.
The cousin needs to quit thinking and start questioning.
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It's always fun when Nads thinks. She has got to be the most abrasive person on the DUmp!
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It's always fun when Nads thinks. She has got to be the most abrasive person on the DUmp!
I think of her more as annoying for being so condescending, but there are more abrasive assholes there.
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nadinbrzezinski (142,057 posts)
I have been thinking on why Gun Owners are becoming increasingly defensive
again, looking at facts... sorry... I do not pull this out of thin air.
Gun owners are right now a large minority, but a minoroty nonetheless, in the United States. Most of the owners tend to be older and live in rural areas, both demographics are on the wane, so the percentage of gun owners has been trending down, and now it is around 33 percent nationally. No not me saying it, here from PEW.
Overall, about a third of all Americans with children under 18 at home have a gun in their household, including 34% of families with children younger than 12. That’s nearly identical to the share of childless adults or those with older children who have a firearm at home.
The new research also suggests a paradox: While blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be gun homicide victims, blacks are only about half as likely as whites to have a firearm in their home (41% vs. 19%). Hispanics are less likely than blacks to be gun homicide victims and half as likely as whites to have a gun at home (20%).
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/the-demographics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/
The data reveals other interesting points, More owners will live in the country side, but both rural populations and older populations are waning. There is more... the country is becoming MORE DIVERSE... so it is inevitable that this trend will continue and we will have l less and less actual gun owners. (The talking point of uncontrolled ownership is just not real). Now that does not mean that those who still have guns will not buy more. They in fact are buying more, so gun ownership is getting cncentrated... but this also means that as a GROUP the NRA is likely going to wane in their power to scare your legislator as years go by, and more regulations will be put in place. Why they are becoming more shrill and loud. They can read polls and statistics with the rest of us.
There is also a cultural change that is happening right under our noses, and has been going on for the least decade or so (my opinion it as already generational)... and it is just accelerating. This is going to become less and less acceptable to younger urban populations who's only contact with a gun, for real, is a first person shooter, or the side arm on the cop's holster. Otherwise these are strange devices that are to be feared (which gets in the way of rational policy making). With less people serving in the military that also helps with the cultural change and less acceptance of guns.
There are some tropes that the NRA uses, like the good guy with a gun... will stop crime... which is just as much a romantic view of gun ownership, as the everybody is armed and more people are buying them. The other, self defense against a violent society... well even that is starting to penetrate skulls, that we simply do not have the level of crime we used to have.
But if you are a member of a minority that is becoming less and less in numbers, I can certainly understand the thinking that they are under siege. Sooner or later, all those changes in laws and policies they are fighting, may come reality. It is a slow walk, but I might still see it.
Oh and no, I don't think the 2A will be repealed, but how the majority understands it might be far more in line with earlier eras when the individual right did not take center stage. That I can see, easy.
The bolded in red is your first mistake. You tried to reach beyond your ability much like a car attempting to run without an engine.
As for the bolded in blue check out the clip below.
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh497/FlippyDoo1/GunStats_zpsu5qhqwss.jpg)
The higher the green bar is the "worst" it is. Now if legal gun ownership didn't have anything to do with those stats then I suppose some other demographic is the cause. Below are the demographics of the three cities. Check them out and see if you really want to go the demographics route.
Kennesaw, Ga (per wikipedia): As of the census of 2010, there were 29,783 people, 11,413 households, and 7,375 families residing in the city. There were 12,328 housing units at an average density of 1,027.3 per square mile (396.6/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 58.9% White, 22.3% Black, 10.8% Hispanic or Latino of any race, 5.3% Asian, 0.4% Native American, 0.02% Pacific Islander (U.S. Census), 4.7% from other Race (U.S. Census), and 3.0% Non-Hispanic Mixed of two or more races.
Griffin, Ga (per wikipedia): As of the census of 2000, there were 23,451 people, 8,876 households, and 5,955 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,615.0 people per square mile (623.6/km²). There were 9,636 housing units at an average density of 663.6 per square mile (256.2/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 49.88% African American, 46.98% White, 0.17% Native American, 0.99% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.98% from other races, and 0.98% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.22% of the population.
Chicago, Il (per wikipedia): As of the 2010 census, there were 2,695,598 people with 1,045,560 households living in Chicago. More than half the population of the state of Illinois lives in the Chicago metropolitan area. Chicago is one of the United States' most densely populated major cities, and the largest city in the Great Lakes Megalopolis. The racial composition of the city was:
45.0% White (31.7% non-Hispanic whites);
32.9% Black or African American;
28.9% Hispanic or Latino (of any race);
13.4% from some other race;
5.5% Asian (1.6% Chinese, 1.1% Indian, 1.1% Filipino, 0.4% Korean, 0.3% Pakistani, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.2% Japanese, 0.1% Thai);
2.7% from two or more races;
0.5% American Indian.
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nadinbrzezinski (142,057 posts)
I have been thinking on why Gun Owners are becoming increasingly defensive
again, looking at facts... sorry... I do not pull this out of thin air.
Gun owners are right now a large minority, but a minoroty nonetheless,
The cousin did pull her "facts" from somewhere.
nadin's cousin coach franksolich has used the term "rectal aperture".
In this case probably her own.
I would like to credit our very own coach franksolich for discovering far in advance of any of her announcements the source of his cousin nadin's "facts".
Also, I am not near as talented as our own Fictional Spirit Guide in translating nadinese, but I think I know the definition of the bolded word in her quote.
"minorority"
Def 1...a tasty addition to a nadin word salad, possibly even crunchy.
Def 2...a vocal minority so loud their cacophony is reminisce of a loud roar from a lion, jet engine or other loud source.
"minorority.
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(https://snarkyshakespeare.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/holy-wall-of-text-batman.jpg?w=290&h=290&crop=1)
The bolded in red is your first mistake. You tried to reach beyond your ability much like a car attempting to run without an engine.
As for the bolded in blue check out the clip below.
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh497/FlippyDoo1/GunStats_zpsu5qhqwss.jpg)
The higher the green bar is the "worst" it is. Now if legal gun ownership didn't have anything to do with those stats then I suppose some other demographic is the cause. Below are the demographics of the three cities. Check them out and see if you really want to go the demographics route.
Kennesaw, Ga (per wikipedia): As of the census of 2010, there were 29,783 people, 11,413 households, and 7,375 families residing in the city. There were 12,328 housing units at an average density of 1,027.3 per square mile (396.6/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 58.9% White, 22.3% Black, 10.8% Hispanic or Latino of any race, 5.3% Asian, 0.4% Native American, 0.02% Pacific Islander (U.S. Census), 4.7% from other Race (U.S. Census), and 3.0% Non-Hispanic Mixed of two or more races.
Griffin, Ga (per wikipedia): As of the census of 2000, there were 23,451 people, 8,876 households, and 5,955 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,615.0 people per square mile (623.6/km²). There were 9,636 housing units at an average density of 663.6 per square mile (256.2/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 49.88% African American, 46.98% White, 0.17% Native American, 0.99% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.98% from other races, and 0.98% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.22% of the population.
Chicago, Il (per wikipedia): As of the 2010 census, there were 2,695,598 people with 1,045,560 households living in Chicago. More than half the population of the state of Illinois lives in the Chicago metropolitan area. Chicago is one of the United States' most densely populated major cities, and the largest city in the Great Lakes Megalopolis. The racial composition of the city was:
45.0% White (31.7% non-Hispanic whites);
32.9% Black or African American;
28.9% Hispanic or Latino (of any race);
13.4% from some other race;
5.5% Asian (1.6% Chinese, 1.1% Indian, 1.1% Filipino, 0.4% Korean, 0.3% Pakistani, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.2% Japanese, 0.1% Thai);
2.7% from two or more races;
0.5% American Indian.
...and that, is how it's done! :clap:
Oh, there is this little gem:
LonePirate (2,738 posts)
83. The percentage of the populace owning guns is in decline. Not much dispute there.
Existing gun owners continue to buy their 624th and 625th guns, :rotf: hence all of the background checks being performed. I'm guessing there are fewer gun owners who own a single gun than there are gun owners who own 10 or more.
You people deficate, you smell it and you like it. You are entranced by you self-generated bullshit.
Typical. Your lightbringer has sold almost 100 million firearms since he's been in office. There has been a consistent increase in NRA membership, especially after this latest muzzy terrorpolooza. What goes on in your two block square slice of a concrete blue gulag is not what's going on in realityland.
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The cousin did pull her "facts" from somewhere.
nadin's cousin coach franksolich has used the term "rectal aperture".
In this case probably her own.
I would like to credit our very own coach franksolich for discovering far in advance of any of her announcements the source of his cousin nadin's "facts".
Also, I am not near as talented as our own Fictional Spirit Guide in translating nadinese, but I think I know the definition of the bolded word in her quote.
"minorority"
Def 1...a tasty addition to a nadin word salad, possibly even crunchy.
Def 2...a vocal minority so loud their cacophony is reminisce of a loud roar from a lion, jet engine or other loud source.
"minorority.
They ARE a minority when you poll your own friends. I could poll my friends and make a pronouncement that gun owners are a large majority, contrary to her opinion.
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Yes, but nads, I own a gun because I cannot scare off an attacker like you can.
The only thing you have to do is lift your mumu and flash them, and BAM, they're lying dead on the ground.
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In 2010, 39% of respondents answered "yes." The figure has been fluctuating between 38% and 42% in polls taken since 2000, and has ranged between 36% and 51% since polling began in 1959.
This figure depends on people answering honestly; the National Rifle Association claims that a more accurate current figure is almost half of U.S. households.
http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/owns-guns-america.html (http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/owns-guns-america.html)
While technically true about being a minority... 39 percent is a sizable population. Add in about another 10 percent of people that own a firearm and did not answer the question honestly and I would surmise that the population that own a firearm is close to 50 percent.
Another nads fail.
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Yes, but nads, I own a gun because I cannot scare off an attacker like you can.
The only thing you have to do is lift your mumu and flash them, and BAM, they're lying dead on the ground.
I think you have uncovered (cough) the secret of Ensenada, my friend.
gNads flashed a man in Ensenada once, just to watch him die.
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I think you have uncovered (cough) the secret of Ensenada, my friend.
gNads flashed a man in Ensenada once, just to watch him die.
nads flashing someone adds a whole new element to the phrase "Stay thirsty, my friends".
We need some mind bleach in here.
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Nads is putting it all out there with this one...clit and all...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027439999
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Nads is putting it all out there with this one...clit and all...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027439999
You ain't kidding!
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She has a very vivid imagination.
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Nads is putting it all out there with this one...clit and all...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027439999
Nads and clit in the same sentence just.... well damn. I need mind bleach. :tongue:
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Nads is putting it all out there with this one...clit and all...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027439999
The cousin's playing her Jew card again.
She does that when it's convenient.
But most of the time, it's more convenient for her to deny her people, her history, and her culture--and God too--because she's smarter and better and wiser than they were, or are.
<<<doesn't pay attention to the cousin when she plays this game.
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Nads and clit in the same sentence just.... well damn. I need mind bleach. :tongue:
Tens of thousands of gallons of mind bleach . . . :runaway:
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The new research also suggests a paradox: While blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be gun homicide victims, blacks are only about half as likely as whites to have a firearm in their home (41% vs. 19%).
It is a paradox only to the deliberately obtuse or ignorant beyond words.
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The new research also suggests a paradox: While blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be gun homicide victims, 9b0blacks are only about half as likely as whites to have a firearm in their home[/b] (41% vs. 19%).
Blacks are more likely to NOT admit they have a gun in their home, nadin dear, because the odds are pretty good it's stolen, illegal, or unregistered. Yank your head out of your twat.
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Blacks are more likely to NOT admit they have a gun in their home, nadin dear, because the odds are pretty good it's stolen, illegal, or unregistered. Yank your head out of your twat.
Not only that but it is a completely dishonest attempt to insinuate just the opposite is the case,that blacks must therefore be the victims of white aggressors.
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Not only that but it is a completely dishonest attempt to insinuate just the opposite is the case,that blacks must therefore be the victims of white aggressors.
The cousin's problem is that she's too fixated on official numbers and official statistics, believing they accurately reflect reality.
She's not very bright, nadin isn't.
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Blacks are more likely to NOT admit they have a gun in their home, nadin dear, because the odds are pretty good it's stolen, illegal, or unregistered. Yank your head out of your twat.
There's that, but there are also the reasons that many of them live in hellholes like inner Chicago and DC with municipal and state legal regimes that heavily burden firearms ownership, and/or live in some form of subsidized housing that bans guns, no matter how badly the resident might feel he or she needs one for self-protection.
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I think you have uncovered (cough) the secret of Ensenada, my friend.
gNads flashed a man in Ensenada once, just to watch him die.
Oh my word. :rotf: :cheersmate:
The cousin's playing her Jew card again.
She does that when it's convenient.
But most of the time, it's more convenient for her to deny her people, her history, and her culture--and God too--because she's smarter and better and wiser than they were, or are.
<<<doesn't pay attention to the cousin when she plays this game.
Thee nGads keeps forgetting, Jew/Jewish is a religious affiliation, not a race.
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That explains it.
Last time I rowed over to the DUmp, I thought smelled garbage burning.
CMD
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Tens of thousands of gallons of mind bleach . . . :runaway:
And not store bought mind bleach either. Industrial grade mind bleach is what is needed.
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That explains it.
Last time I rowed over to the DUmp, I thought smelled garbage burning.
CMD
Rotted garbage at that. Throw in the contents of a dozen port-a-potties, and walla, gNads at thee DUmp.
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For once, her background information is not as far off in the weeds as we have come to expect, but her conclusions are an extra-rich helping of total balderdash.
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Last time I was here, our gal Nads was banned from the island.
I have a lot of catching up to do.
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Last time I was here, our gal Nads was banned from the island.
I have a lot of catching up to do.
She was on involuntary leave a couple more times after you were last here.
The cousin and the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive have had a lot of involuntary vacations this year. cali even showed up here, to relieve her boredom.
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There is also a cultural change that is happening right under our noses, and has been going on for the least decade or so (my opinion it as already generational)... and it is just accelerating. This is going to become less and less acceptable to younger urban populations who's only contact with a gun, for real, is a first person shooter, or the side arm on the cop's holster. Otherwise these are strange devices that are to be feared (which gets in the way of rational policy making). With less people serving in the military that also helps with the cultural change and less acceptance of guns. Heh, in the last 14 years, almost 3 million have rotated through the Military, Blob. :hammer:
Ohhh. so close... so close, but:
Support for Assault Weapons Ban Reaches 20-Year Low
As Patrick Egan pointed out, just 44 percent of Americans now support an assault weapons ban, the lowest number in the 20 years that the NYT poll has asked the question. In 2011, 63 percent of Americans supported such a ban.
Figure the absolute low achievable is, at least, 35%. It will never go lower than that.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/12/11/support-for-assault-weapons-ban-reaches-20-year-low/
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Nads is putting it all out there with this one...clit and all...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027439999
Don't ever say that!