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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 28, 2015, 01:39:49 PM
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whereisjustice (2,459 posts)
I hope people understand that there is a real possibility of another civil war in America
There's a power vacuum created by the lack of any challenge to the right wing political direction in this country. Even Democrats are encouraged to embrace conservative ideologies regarding crime, war, corporations, etc.
While these policies are wholeheartedly embraced by Republicans, to a somewhat lesser extent they are also embraced by Democrats, thanks to the pragmatic system of letting Wall Street money write our legislative policy.
No one is willing to aggressively challenge the right wing policies creating huge pockets of poverty and disparity of justice. Not Bill, not Hillary, not Obama.
As a result, conservatives have become emboldened. They have no fear of serious counter attack. They own the narrative. That's because strong individuals who are willing to call out the corruption and fraud holding our Government captive will never pass the Wall Street audition. So we settle for more of the same.
Severe tension is building in America. Rich versus non-rich. Religious versus non-religious.
With some help from the violent power of our local police force, Democrats and Republicans have been helping the rich defeat the non-rich. Every single motion our Congress makes, is made to the benefit of the rich, to the punishment of the non-rich.
Making things worse for the non-rich, the mainstream political class has taken away our voice and ridiculed us for demonstrating against the injustice. Whisteblowers are punished. Our most corrupt institutions NSA, FBI, CIA, DOJ, FDA, etc have been turned into bunkers against accountability.
All the well-know toxic ingredients for disparity and extremism are being dumped into a giant cauldron. Just how long do you think it can stay this way?
Is Wall Street going to rush in at the last minute and save us?
No. They'll happily sell weapons and chaos to both sides of the fight.
villager (24,106 posts)
2. Then add the collapse of Empire, when Climate Change kicks in even more
The ugly right here will go into overdrive, looking for those to "blame."
And it won't be the oligarchs.
Expect America to have broken up into a handful of smaller, constituent pieces by mid-century or so....
Lizzie Poppet (5,726 posts)
6. I have the same expectation: a Soviet-style breakup.
I'm basically okay with that (hail Cascadia!), but it will be frightfully complicated. But I also think such a breakup may well be our best chance to avoid an actual civil war, with a huge cost in blood and a big hit to an already suffering infrastructure.
Lizzie Poppet (5,726 posts)
5. Agreed. And as Villager points out...
...climate change and other factors could hasten the collapse of the union. I begin to suspect that the only way out of a bloody civil war may well be the breakup of the country, Soviet-Union-style. That's no panacea (we're not really all that geographically divided; that red state/blue state dichotomy is pretty false...we're all purple states), but it might stave off an actual, violent mass conflict.
In any case, yes: gross (and growing) economic inequity is shoving us down the path to violent unrest. At present, we're being kept just fat and happy enough to deter people from taking real action...but things are slipping more and more towards actual deprivation and desperation, and when that line is crossed, I'm thinking things will go to shit way, way faster than the powers-that-be expect.
whereisjustice (2,459 posts)
13. We had a collective morality on the side of justice during first CW, this time
I can find few Democrats at large who have any sense of empathy or moral courage. To be a good Democrat these days implies general agreement with conservative economics (i.e. corporate rule) and loose agreement on some social issues, civil rights, etc. For example, we are supposed to yield to powers of authority, NSA, local police, etc, but fight for gay rights. We are supposed to yield to Wall Street controlled health care, but support right to abortion.
The absurdity of these extremes is becoming nearly impossible to reconcile.
So without a Democratic Party willing to call out the injustice and build the right kind of leadership for the benefit of the nation, the non-rich and defenseless are going to get crushed during next civil war. The rise of a fascists like Trump ad Cruz proves how weak the Democratic Party has become. They are some of the most extreme candidates since the Civil War.
Too many guns, too much corporate control, too little courage fighting for what is right.
Our continued appeasement isn't making us stronger, it is making us weaker.
You never see them posting this about Muzzies that would mutilate, rape and then stone the women, pitch their fags off of buildings and massacre anyone who dared protest.
They only act all puffed-up against conservatives.
Rex (57,927 posts)
7. I was just thinking about that after the crazy guy tried to blow up the PP building.
Thank goodness he surrendered. I believe the republicans are trying to stir up a race war in this country and it looks like it might be working. Add to that certain racist PDs helping fan the flames and it makes one wonder if we are a the cusp of some kind of civil war.
I don't think it will happen, but if it does we can squarely trace it back to the GOP and their call for violence against their fellow citizens.
Who's trying to stir shit up?
People who love the country don't try to burn it down.
That's you fags.
PowerToThePeople (7,624 posts)
9. Personally, I am working on my emigration plan.
It is not easy, as I am not financially well off at the moment. I am slowly working things to be able to vacate the USA in short order if the situation here necessitates it.
Wait.
You mean other nations won't take you in like you demand the US take in 20 million illegals?
LittleBlue (8,984 posts)
19. There won't be
The wealthy have enough support from poorer whites that it would be the most one-sided civil war ever seen.
There are lots of corporate execs in Obama's WH.
Why should they be spared?
Doctor_J (34,160 posts)
24. No one on our side is that interested in fighting back
The far right does whatever it pleases, up to and including murder, with no meaningful repercussions, so I don't really see this becoming a war. Until a few dozen hate radio stations are responded to, in kind, every time something like this happens, they'll just continue indefinitely. And who wants to do that?
The word you're looking for is "*****"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027390026
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OK, I'll play.
What states go where? I suggest New York and California for the first two to be filled with liberals PROVIDED they pay to remove the welfare leeches and other malcontents from the red states.
Any other suggestions?
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There's a power vacuum created by the lack of any challenge to the right wing political direction in this country. Even Democrats are encouraged to embrace conservative ideologies regarding crime, war, corporations, etc.
Didn't nearly every Democrat vote for war back in the day? Didn't they even have a second vote so they could all support it? Further, did they not complain and complain that George W. Bush hadn't attacked Iraq yet just about a week prior to the Iraq war?
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Whine, whine, whine!
Cindie
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Didn't nearly every Democrat vote for war back in the day? Didn't they even have a second vote so they could all support it? Further, did they not complain and complain that George W. Bush hadn't attacked Iraq yet just about a week prior to the Iraq war?
C'mon man, don't you know GWB lied to them about the evidence and they were therefore duped into voting for it? It's not their fault, it's BUSH'S fault.
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It's funny to watch them talk about civil war. Liberal policies have placed the market value of even cheap firearms out of reach for anyone on SS or SSDI or welfare.
Good luck with that DUmmies. You own it.
KC
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It's funny to watch them talk about civil war. Liberal policies have placed the market value of even cheap firearms out of reach for anyone on SS or SSDI or welfare.
Good luck with that DUmmies. You own it.
KC
You don't understand. THEY wouldn't fight it, it would be fought with LEO's and the military against the red states, (on their behalf of course), so they hope. Except that, LEO's and the military in red states would fight back, along with 80,000,000 gun owners.
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Sorry DUmbasses, the only civil war in the near future will be is this one:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdV-lxRPFo[/youtube]
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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:25 PM
nadinbrzezinski (141,683 posts)
28. I stopped pointing this out a while ago
since most people will not notice until it truly starts in earnest.
There are many things I do not point to here any more. A lot of them.
:whatever:
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Nah. The side with the adults has the vast majority of the weapons, not to mention the vast majority of the people who have even the remotest clue about how to used them, and doesn't want to see the country destroyed. The other side has 'Moms Demand Action.'
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Whine, whine, whine!
Cindie
They do that in spite of getting 99% of what they've wanted over the last 9 years.
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Rex (57,927 posts)
7. I was just thinking about that after the crazy guy tried to blow up the PP building.
Thank goodness he surrendered. I believe the republicans are trying to stir up a race war in this country and it looks like it might be working. Add to that certain racist PDs helping fan the flames and it makes one wonder if we are a the cusp of some kind of civil war.
I don't think it will happen, but if it does we can squarely trace it back to the GOP and their call for violence against their fellow citizens.
11 people injured, four people killed including a police officer... none of whom were in the Planned Murder Factory Parenthood building....
He doesn't sound like too much of a RWCT to me.
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Rex (57,927 posts)
7. I was just thinking about that after the crazy guy tried to blow up the PP building.
:thatsright: Why, retard .... WHY was he/she shooting OUTside, through the windows and not at PP workers?
Listen, lurking idiots. Just like your inability to see what really happens, you fail to comprehend that, almost without exception, everything you decry is a resulting consequence of the stupid you impart on this country.
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These are the folks that cower in piss puddles when they see someone open carrying are`nt they?
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These are the folks that cower in piss puddles when they see someone open carrying are`nt they?
Their..... "shock troops" .... are quite proficient in taking a selfie, though. ::)
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whereisjustice (2,459 posts)
I hope people understand that there is a real possibility of another civil war in America
There's a power vacuum created by the lack of any challenge to the right wing political direction in this country. Even Democrats are encouraged to embrace conservative ideologies regarding crime, war, corporations, etc.
While these policies are wholeheartedly embraced by Republicans, to a somewhat lesser extent they are also embraced by Democrats, thanks to the pragmatic system of letting Wall Street money write our legislative policy.
No one is willing to aggressively challenge the right wing policies creating huge pockets of poverty and disparity of justice. Not Bill, not Hillary, not Obama.
As a result, conservatives have become emboldened. They have no fear of serious counter attack. They own the narrative. That's because strong individuals who are willing to call out the corruption and fraud holding our Government captive will never pass the Wall Street audition. So we settle for more of the same.
Severe tension is building in America. Rich versus non-rich. Religious versus non-religious.
With some help from the violent power of our local police force, Democrats and Republicans have been helping the rich defeat the non-rich. Every single motion our Congress makes, is made to the benefit of the rich, to the punishment of the non-rich.
Making things worse for the non-rich, the mainstream political class has taken away our voice and ridiculed us for demonstrating against the injustice. Whisteblowers are punished. Our most corrupt institutions NSA, FBI, CIA, DOJ, FDA, etc have been turned into bunkers against accountability.
All the well-know toxic ingredients for disparity and extremism are being dumped into a giant cauldron. Just how long do you think it can stay this way?
Is Wall Street going to rush in at the last minute and save us?
No. They'll happily sell weapons and chaos to both sides of the fight.
Yes there is and you dummies can put the blame right where it belongs... obumbles and the dems.
If this country does split up, the lib states will be failed hellholes within 10 years. Except this time there will be no where you idiots can go. Currently you idiots **** up a state, then move en masse to another state and proceed to vote in the same type of people that ****ed up the state you left. Those days will be over and you will be stuck in a morass of your own making.
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Stupid primitives. The remedy is already in place to avoid this "civil war" you think you see coming.
This country is already divided into 50 separate countries; or what we call States. If you liberal dimwits (pardon the redundancy) would stop trying to Federalize everything and let States Rights dictate how the rule of law is applied, with the Federal gov't in place to oversee the common defense and interstate commerce (you know, like how the gov't was initially conceived and constituted to work), then you wouldn't find yourself concerned about all these issues.
But you keep trying to Federalize every citizens life and there's going to continue to be issues. And no, we won't be quiet about it.
Think about it, you liberal idiots: What's harder for multi-national corporations to control; One large Federal gov't or 50 smaller State gov'ts?
Honest to goodness, you libs can't think your way out of a wet paper bag.
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For every shell I reload I ask, will this be one that leads or follows?
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OK, I'll play.
What states go where? I suggest New York City and California for the first two to be filled with liberals PROVIDED they pay to remove the welfare leeches and other malcontents from the red states.
Any other suggestions?
Minor change above, as there's a lot of us outside NYC . . . Or any of the cities in NYS.
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Minor change above, as there's a lot of us outside NYC . . . Or any of the cities in NYS.
Good idea. We could build a wall around them and dare them to escape from New York.
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These posts are always amusing for their total lack of awareness about US political structure and history, with all the analytic depth of an 'Occupy Democrats' FB meme. State autonomy was pretty well settled in 1865, and then Supreme Court's New Deal-era Commerce Clause case rulings, followed by the more-recent Due Process/Equal Protection decisions, have almost completely annihilated any real governmental authority beyond mere housekeeping below the central, Federal level. There is no State or regional structure outside Federal control to step in and take over (Beyond simple disaster response and recovery, within certain limits) should some miraculous/cataclysmic event remove that Federal hand.
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Good idea. We could build a wall around them and dare them to escape from New York.
(http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/escape-from-new-york-poster.jpg)
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I can tell they aren't feeling too good about their election prospects.
When a Dem is likely to win, all they talk about is unity and healing.
When a Damned Dirty Rethug is likely to win, its all civil war and breakup, all the time.
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(http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/escape-from-new-york-poster.jpg)
Adrienne Barbeau. (sigh). I remember a couple of her acting skills that really stood out. I had the crush of crushes on her.
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I can tell they aren't feeling too good about their election prospects.
When a Dem is likely to win, all they talk about is unity and healing.
When a Damned Dirty Rethug is likely to win, its all civil war and breakup, all the time.
When we win, they want bi-partisanship and reaching across the aisle for shared solutions. When they win it's, "We won, deal with it". "If you don't like my policies, go win an election". They basically flip us the bird and force their way on us.
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Good idea. We could build a wall around them and dare them to escape from New York.
Mrs. Corpio is dreaming of being the Duke of New York.
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It's becoming apparent that the lefties are slowly starting to realize that conservatives are going to whoop them big time next November.
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These are the folks that cower in piss puddles when they see someone open carrying are`nt they?
They're the same folks who have panic attacks during Fleet Week in NYC. All those servicemen! :panic: Someone did actually post that, feeling all dreadful and creepy-crawly. Had to go curl up in bed.
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1. Every big blue hellhole city will tear itself apart within a week. My only regrets will be it won't be televised.
2. I'd wager my personal armory is larger than any random 500 leftists.
3. My personal armory is small compared to many like minded folks.
4. There are more hunting licenses issued in Ohio, Kentucky, Iowa, and Michigan than the current standing military of the USA.
5. If leftists think that LEOs are going to protect them when the SHTF and not their own families well, we don't call them DUmmys for nothing.