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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on November 22, 2015, 12:46:27 PM
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Todays_Illusion (569 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/113510810
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I am only surprised that that wasn't part of the dialog right away, some of us are so skeptical of everything and this one was immediately elevated partisan political status in an election year.
Edit: I think this is very speculative.
Paris Attacks: Another False Flag? Sifting Through The Evidence
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-20/paris-attacks-another-false-flag-sifting-through-evidence
What do the globalists do when they want to create, reignite and keep their war on terror fought indefinitely? They simply carry out a series of false flag attacks using Muslim terrorist stooges as their hired guns to do their damage. That’s what 9/11 was all about in the US, 7/7 in UK, the 3/11 train attack in Spain, the Hebdo Paris attack last January, and now this latest Paris encore reenactment part two.
In any unsolved crime the first question asked is who benefits by motive with an actual means to execute the crime?
In all of these tragic false flag events the global elite benefits in multiple ways. And it most definitely has the means by issuing marching orders to its owned and operated national governments, its favorite being the militaristic, brutal American Empire.
The elite’s agenda to polarize and destabilize the world politically and militarily manifests through the US foreign policy of regime change, nonstop war through divide and conquer methodology (i.e., Shiites vs. Sunnis, Euro-nationals vs. foreign migrants, Christians vs. Muslims, light skins vs. dark skins) and economic austerity through unpayable high interest from predatory IMF bank loans to debtor nations from both the developing and developed world. Through global theft and destruction, the ruling elite reigns supreme in absolute power.
There is more at the link, I haven't read beyond this.
so... None of the various muslim terror attacks since 9/11 were actually muslims carrying out jihad?
Ghost Dog (14,015 posts)
1. "... using Muslim terrorist stooges... global elite benefits..."
It would certainly appear to be true that 'our' intelligence and policing services would in fact seek, and evidently often succeed, to penetrate extremist Sunni Islamic circles and cells. And would seek to manipulate them.
The 'global elite', which may or most likely may not be entirely unified as regards outcomes, certainly is doing well these days...
But to be concrete, the nub of the article amounts to this:
... The surreptitiously obtained Syrian passport found so quickly after the fact in Paris has become a false flag trademark used in both Charlie Hebdo and 9/11. Because this pattern proved a serious liability for establishing any credibility, it was later disclosed that the passport actually came off the body of “a Syrian refugee,†as if that made MSM any more believable.
Even before the passport fiasco, the alleged terrorist’s quote from a supposed witness “this is for Syria†was obviously disclosed by mainstream media to shape and manipulate public opinion into quickly blaming Syria, ISIS and Syria’s targeted leader Assad. And then long before any of this alleged (dis)info began surfacing, barely an hour into the attacks while still actively underway, President Hollande kept repeating three times in the next several hours what appeared to be his scripted lines already declaring that France was at war against already identified terrorist attackers from Syria before any investigation had even begun. This rapid sequence of events smacked of false flag.
Furthermore, like the Hebdo attack earlier this year, reports immediately commenced disclosing that French intelligence had long been tracking the perpetrators prior to the attacks...
... A couple of other striking parallels with 9/11, when the BBC reporter announced that Building 7 went down 20 minutes prior to the event, the Paris attack was described on twitter dated a full two days in advance of the November 13th killings. Also Wikipedia within two hours from the very onset of the attacks already had posted a fully detailed account complete with footnotes specifying “Syria†being mentioned by a witness, “5 or 6 terroristsâ€, and “3 suicide bombers†all from the get-go pointing to the big bad Muslim villains yet again. The clinching evidence was Wikipedia running an early story version at 23:06 specifying:
In a televised statement at approximately 23:58 (local time), French President François Hollande declared a state of emergency and closing of borders for the whole of France...
... two weeks prior to Friday’s attack on October 29th CIA Director John Brennan met with his French counterpart along with UK’s MI6 former chief and former Israeli national security advisor...
> Anyone like to check these items?
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William Seger (6,616 posts)
8. Stage 3 Conspiracism
Stage 1: Convince yourself there was a conspiracy.
Stage 2: While "sifting through the evidence" looking for confirmation, convince yourself that all of the evidence supporting the "official story" is actually proof of a conspiracy; otherwise, why would anyone have faked all that evidence? And convince yourself that your failure to find any credible evidence supporting your own extraordinary speculation is just proof of how effective the cover-up was. At this stage, multiple conspiracy theories which all have those same evidence-avoiding characteristics begin melding together, which is also taken as confirmation.
Stage 3: Convince yourself that your extraordinary speculation is so obvious you don't really need any evidence-based reasoning to support it, so anyone still "spouting their endless blather" about the "official story" is either stupid or has an ulterior motive.
Stage 4: Loss of contact with reality, having deliberately scorned the tools and methods that rational people use for sorting things out, and replaced them with a paranoid imagination that can make conspiracies just as big as they need to be. Stage 4 ain't pretty, CJ.
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William Seger (6,616 posts)
8. Stage 3 Conspiracism
Stage 1: Convince yourself there was a conspiracy.
Stage 2: While "sifting through the evidence" looking for confirmation, convince yourself that all of the evidence supporting the "official story" is actually proof of a conspiracy; otherwise, why would anyone have faked all that evidence? And convince yourself that your failure to find any credible evidence supporting your own extraordinary speculation is just proof of how effective the cover-up was. At this stage, multiple conspiracy theories which all have those same evidence-avoiding characteristics begin melding together, which is also taken as confirmation.
Stage 3: Convince yourself that your extraordinary speculation is so obvious you don't really need any evidence-based reasoning to support it, so anyone still "spouting their endless blather" about the "official story" is either stupid or has an ulterior motive.
Stage 4: Loss of contact with reality, having deliberately scorned the tools and methods that rational people use for sorting things out, and replaced them with a paranoid imagination that can make conspiracies just as big as they need to be. Stage 4 ain't pretty, CJ.
You just described the cesspool you are floating in.
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At least we are getting closer to solving the conspiracy about the chemtrails.
And, with a little chicken wire along with some cinder blocks and a nice 500 degree campfire...a lot more pressing mysteries will fall into place.
Then all that will remain to be done will be to solve the conspiracy of why blast furnaces and forges are invented to heat shape steel.
Without that conspiracy a good old bonfire or even campfire will melt steel.
It's almost like that mystery acts bigoted.