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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: FaC on November 18, 2015, 01:00:17 AM
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Had to grab this one before it goes down the tubes...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027356786
ericson00 (1,099 posts)
Many Liberals Defend Islam the Way Conservatives Defend Guns
Here's a great article:
Let me start off by saying, I am in no way anti-Muslim. I’m very anti-organized religion – all organized religion. I’ve written many articles bashing the idiocy and ignorance of conservative “Christianity.†I also know that there are many peaceful Muslims in the world.
That being said, it’s undeniable that Islam, more so than any other major religion, is linked to violence, oppression, inequality, instability and anti-women beliefs. Even if you remove the radical extremists such as ISIS or al Qaeda, Muslim nations such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait and Egypt aren’t exactly beacons for freedom, free expression, equality, women’s rights or many other ideas liberals claim to support.
That’s why I wholeheartedly agree with Bill Maher when he says it’s difficult to call yourself a liberal if you defend the culture of Islam.
As a progressive, I’m a staunch defender of women’s rights, gay rights, religious freedom and equality. Those are values I don’t see reflected in the vast majority of Muslim nations, especially in The Middle East and south Asia. Right now in Saudi Arabia there are people in prison for preaching equality and freedom. In several large Muslim nations, women aren’t allowed to be out in public unless they’re covered. In at least a few others, homosexuality is still punishable by death.
I’m struggling to understand this; can someone explain to me how any of that is liberal or why liberals would defend this religion, while seemingly never having any problems bashing right-wing Christian idiocy?...
If you use facts to show that Islam and Sharia law are linked to a lot of this extremism and oppression, even in the non-terrorist aspects of Islam, liberals will often respond with ridiculous comparisons. They’ll harken back to the Crusades from a 1,000 years ago to try to make a point, or they’ll claim any white male who carried out a horrific act of violence over the past several decades is a “Christian terrorist.†If a Muslim kills 5 people because they’re a lone psychopath, that’s not Islamic extremism. If a Muslim kills 5 people in the name of Islam, that’s Islamic extremism.
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/many-liberals-defend-islam-way-gun-fanatics-defend-gun-violence/
Yorktown (2,013 posts)
1. Reality check: Islam is not progressive
Nor are Christianity or Hinduism.
But for whatever reason, Islam has been granted special privilege far too long by progressives
Probably because of the guilt of colonialism and neo-colonialism.
But past sins can't be an excuse forever for the current mayhem created by religion.
Ya think?
CBGLuthier (11,742 posts)
4. I know christians who are a hell of a lot more progressive than some of the people on DU.
Yorktown (2,013 posts)
7. Well, from the start, Christianity is so illogical you can do whatever with it
The OT and NT are in obvious contradiction.
A religion which binds them both in a book called Bible is weird.
And the NT itself is self contradictory hearsay. So much for credibility.
CBGLuthier (11,742 posts)
2. Because every single Muslim is a saud. They all are the same. Yeah, bullshit.
meanwhile every single gun is still designed for the primary purpose of killing a human being.
Right now I am sitting ten feet from a muslim. Nice guy, not a damned thing like your stereotypical examples. Since I am not in the US I feel a lot ****ing safer than surrounded by the gun crazy culture of the US where some loon with a fetish and a grudge could blow your head off at any time.
Major Fail all over this one.
I am sure that is what the guys that lived in the apartments next to the Paris maniacs thought...
Binkie The Clown (1,279 posts)
3. 1.8 BILLION Muslims in this world
and only 10% or so are radical jihadists. Why worry about a mere 180 million radicals?
Binkie - you are poking the bear - I would be careful...
CBGLuthier (11,742 posts)
5. I do hope you did not hurt your ass when you pulled this "statistic" out
Yorktown (2,013 posts)
11. He's quoting from the Pew poll.
Polls are fantastic, EXCEPT when they say something I don't agree with. Then they are crap...
Yorktown (2,013 posts)
6. Spot on
Christianity has been beaten down a good deal, especially in Europe.
The ideology Islam needs a good smacking down too.
That's why it was so important US newspapers should have printed the Danish cartoons.
And did not.
Enough with kid gloves about religions.
(http://static.flickr.com/31/94220513_64530e7cdd_o.jpg)
Ex Lurker (2,416 posts)
9. I wonder if this post will get alerted
I'm guessing yes. I agree with you, BTW.
Ya think?
Yorktown (2,013 posts)
13. I'll risk it: that post was insisting on free speech
I think religions are harmful. Cartoons and mockery are a peaceful way to get that message across.
If self censorship forbids the lampooning of religions, let's be done with it and have blasphemy laws.
Free speech is ok when it is something that I agree with
TreasonousBastard (26,258 posts)
12. No major religion is progressive, but...
it's easy to pick on Islam.
How would your reception be if you beat up on Judaism because of some arch-conservatives raising hell? The JDL, say, wasn't anything near as horrible as ISIS, but it was extremist and did cause trouble enough.
Would you look funny at your neighbor Goldberg, the high school math teacher, every time you heard about something nasty an Israeli did in the ME?
Buddhists in Burma aren't exactly the nice guys you might think they are. Nor are they in Tibet.
DUmmie - you do this with Christianity every single day.
ericson00 (1,099 posts)
15. the difference is this:
the JDL or similar ideologically based groups have not attacked countries on every inhabited continent on the face of the Earth. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10077373/Graphic-terrorist-attacks-by-al-Qaeda-Islamist-and-Islamic-terrorist-groups-2001-2011.html (and that map leaves out a Hezbollah attack in Argentina back in '94).
Also, Israel is not comparable to terror organizations. Its a free democratic UN member state, and even the terrible comparison aside, fact is Jews/Israelis and supporters of Israel might call out anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, but they'll still defend it and discuss it with opponents and supporters. Islamism apologists won't or they'll lie.
Another DUmmie poking the bear...
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Yorktown (2,013 posts)
1. Reality check: Islam is not progressive
Nor are Christianity or Hinduism.
But for whatever reason, Islam has been granted special privilege far too long by progressives
Probably because of the guilt of colonialism and neo-colonialism.
But past sins can't be an excuse forever for the current mayhem created by religion.
The reasons are simple.
You both share a common hatred for Israel, Christianity, and America.
You both share a common enemy in Israel, Christianity, and America.
And finally, you're scared the Muslims will kill you if you speak out about Islam, but you know the Christians will most likely just pray for you if speak out about Christians.
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For the Skins Island lurkers, unless I missed something, there hasn't been murdering bands of Christians, Buddhists, or Catholics running around the world blowing people up.