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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on November 17, 2015, 11:56:21 AM
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Yavin4 (21,131 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027353641
ISIS is a problem for the nations in the Middle East to solve, not the West.
Yes, ISIS can conduct coordinated, individual acts of terror in the West, but they can de-stabilize entire nations in the Middle East. Thus, it's up to nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan, Yemen, Turkey, Bahrain, etc. to quell this threat. The best that the West can do is military action, but that's not an effective, long term solution. We cannot station troops there indefinitely. It's up to the nations in the Middle East solve their own problems.
Lets play a game, shall we?
Hitler is a problem for the nations in the Europe to solve, not the USA.
Yes, NAZI Germany can conduct coordinated, individual acts of war in Europe, but they can't de-stabilize us. Thus, it's up to nations like England, France, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Soviet Union to quell this threat. oh... and Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg... who am I missing? The best that the US can do is military action, but that's not an effective, long term solution. We cannot station troops there indefinitely. It's up to the nations in the Europe solve their own problems.
Japanese? They got no want to be int he US anyway!
:-)
Yavin4 (21,131 posts)
7. They stand to lose the most. They're the ones facing insurrection. What's happening in Syria can easily happen in their own nation.
lumberjack_jeff (30,985 posts)
3. Peace through cooperation is the answer.
A coalition of middle east countries should be cultivated to deal with ISIS and then nurtured into a peaceful coexistence.
There's a good reason that none of the terrorists come from Eqypt.
Peace in our time you mean?
LanternWaste (22,845 posts)
5. "Their problem...?" That being the problem we assisted in creating.
The under-educated and sub-literate appear to consciously forget the Sikes-Picot Accord, Truman's duplicitous relationship with Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlav, the implicit results of bringing Turkey into NATO, through the American lead coup deposing Mohammed Mossadegh and beyond, it was the West which directly caused the instability.
No doubt, many Americans would simply like to pretend it never happened, that we have zero responsibility for what happened and its effects, and labor under the pretense that it's "their problem", despite the historical record.
TRUMAN'S FAULT!!! uh.... what?
Agnosticsherbet (6,385 posts)
12. So what do we do about the refugee crisis, a direct result of ISIS and attacks in Western Countries.
If this were just a civil war in Syria killing a million or so Syrians and causing mass flight into neighboring countries, perhaps you could say this is a regional problem.
But the attacks aren't regional, and how do we deal with a million refugees and attacks on civilians in Western Countries.
I don't support an invasion, but it is not a regional problem we can solve by saying let the locals handle it.
ISIS, no matter how it started, would not be a problem if the Syrian Civil War had not destroyed their central government. ISIS would be a few terrorists looking for a home if they could not have captured and controlled large swathes of Syria and IRAQ.
The best way to handle a problem like ISIS is not to start the damn thing.
Once a problem like ISIS exists it is immoral and unethical to say, "let the locals handle it."
ileus (13,205 posts)
20. Tell that to France...
tell it to New York.
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You missed Norway, Dutch. :-)
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lumberjack_jeff (30,985 posts)
3. Peace through cooperation is the answer.
WHAT????!!!!!!
Yes sir, no sir, you may cut my head off now sir......
I'm seriously sending Skinner a bill for my BP meds!
Unbelievable!
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There's a good reason that none of the terrorists come from Eqypt.
Egyptian passports were found -- even if some of them are fake it clearly indicates that terrorists do indeed come from Egypt.
Freaking idiot.
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I'm seriously sending Skinner a bill for my BP meds!
If it worked like that I would probably have to send Skinner a check every month. The amount of entertainment I get from DU is probably equal to or greater than my cable bill.
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The Russians are doing pretty well so far. Hopefully we'll decide to back them instead of covertly giving the 'Good' Jihadis a boatload of Stingers, but with guys like Kerry, Obama, McCain, and Graham involved, no level of stupidity is beyond reach.
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The Russians are doing pretty well so far. Hopefully we'll decide to back them instead of covertly giving the 'Good' Jihadis a boarload of Stinger, but with guys like Kerry, Obama, McCain, and Graham involved, no level of stupidity is beyond reach.
Russia wants to keep Assad in power and Obama wants the Muslim Brotherhood to take over Syria. They are at direct odds with each other.
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The Russians are doing pretty well so far. Hopefully we'll decide to back them instead of covertly giving the 'Good' Jihadis a boarload of Stinger, but with guys like Kerry, Obama, McCain, and Graham involved, no level of stupidity is beyond reach.
Obama's air strikes against ISIS are averaging 15 or so sorties a day.
The Russians flew 2,300 sorties in the last 48 hours.
Notice something here? :whistling:
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TRUMAN'S FAULT!!! uh.... what?
Hey, the blamed a democrat without blaming a democrat. So there's that.
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Obama's air strikes against ISIS are averaging 15 or so sorties a day.
The Russians flew 2,300 sorties in the last 48 hours.
Notice something here? :whistling:
Even 15 is not what it sounds like. The ROE and targeting clearance are so restrictive that half the sorties come back with their ordnance packages completely intact, from what I hear. 8,000 sorties = 4,000 actual strikes.
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ISIS is a problem for the nations in the Middle East to solve, not the West.
Funny how that sentiment does a 180 when the topic becomes refugees.
CMD
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It only took one Pearl Harbor for FDR to deal with the Japanese decisively. We've already had one 9/11. How many more 9/11s would it take for Ds and other Libs & Progs to take Islamic terrorism seriously?! Or would they just surrender and recite the Shahadah?!
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Give me Hiroshima ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnaxvBsyigM
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lumberjack_jeff (30,985 posts)
3. Peace through cooperation is the answer. That requires a highly capable, very powerful military, (D)Ummie. How is Grampie Hippie gonna fund all his fReEsHiT!!!!11 ?
A coalition of middle east countries should be cultivated to deal with ISIS and then nurtured into a peaceful coexistence. So, more James Taylor?
There's a good reason that none of the terrorists come from Eqypt.
Whaaaaaa? You're talking about .......
(http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/files/2014/10/GEORGE-BUSH.jpg)
Nation building? Surely, not.
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Funny how that sentiment does a 180 when the topic becomes refugees
CMD
Exactly.