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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on November 14, 2015, 07:30:24 AM
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#stopbeingmean...
backscatter712 (23,483 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027343115
Am I the only one thinking the best response to the Paris attacks is an intelligence response?
...and not a military response.
You need to remember that ISIS is using a strategy of trolling.
Trolling through murder.
It's what they did last year when they attacked Charlie Hebdo.
Apparently, that didn't get the response they wanted.
So we get what we had today.
And they'll probably get the response they want - a crackdown, and military strikes in the Middle East...
...which will have collateral damage, and a lot of innocent civilians treated roughly or having to bury loved ones...
...which will cause some of those people to be radicalized and sign up with ISIS or other Islamist extremist groups...
...which is the real goal of ISIS leaders and leaders of other radical terrorist groups - they're murder-trolls using the response to build power.
So my thoughts is that we need more human intelligence. Time to put the CIA to work, along with France's intel agencies, and Russia's. Plant some moles in the Islamist networks. Track down the leaders and power-mongers. And put some polonium in their tea.
And also find their financiers. I think some wealthy arab sheikhs are also going to need some radioactive heavy elements added to their diets..
We should start an online petition.
napi21 (40,371 posts)
3. I agree the Hatfield & McCoy tactics aren't working, however
from the little I've heard about internal ops, our intelligence community is having a very difficult time finding people who COULD fit into ISIS as a mole. There aren't very many Arabs or people who could pass for an Arab who on our side and WILLING to do a job like that. That, coupled with human instinct being retaliatory, I'm not sure we'd be able to convince the people of France & Russia (since it appears a terrorist planted a bomb on board that Russian plane in Egypt) that they just aren't going to see their Country avenge the murders of their fellow countrymen. Think back to 911...what would most Americans have said and done if no action had been taken for the murder of the Americans in NY & Pa?
Norm Goldman was discussing this on his show tonight. He also said he feared this was going to be another event in retaliation, and it would keep going like that for a couple hundred years unless someone comes up with another solution. Constant eye for an eye by both sides without end. To make it even worse, one of Norm's callers said he worked with a lot of people from the Middle East and that in their culture, it's not just an eye for an eye, but TWO eyes for one. I see this whole thing getting horribly worse as ISIS directly hits large numbers of people in different countries, and they all NEED to retaliate.
The exit of millions of people from the middle eastern countries (lots of countries) will be fleeing SOMEWHERE seeking asylum like the Syrians are now.
You people's entire world view is just ****ed.
Warpy (85,454 posts)
5. The first impulse is to hit back
but we know all too well that is not going to work. A war against terror is like the war on drugs, it'll just give us more of what we're supposedly fighting against.
I said from the beginning (1993, the first WTC bombing) that the only thing that would work is intensive police work and international cooperation. We need to stop dimwit things like the drug war and devote all that police and surveillance power to follow bad guys who think god's on their side or we're going to see another attack worse than 9/11 right here.
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passiveporcupine (3,376 posts)
7. I agree.
As much as I like Obama, I wish he hadn't had Osama bin Laden killed. I wish he'd had him captured alive and brought to trial, and then leave him in jail for the rest of his life.
Fighting terrorists kills too many innocent people. There has got to be a better way to ferret out those responsible for horrendous crimes and bring them to justice.
malaise (134,644 posts)
9. The best response is to arrest the war criminals in the West
and stop slaughtering innocents in the Middle East. Until Bush, Blair et al are in the Hague this planet is not safe. There is nothing called a one sided war - you kill innocents and put your own innocents in grave danger.
Sadly the West does not give a flying fugg about international law, Geneva Conventions, etc and neither do those who respond in this frightening way killing innocent young people.
At the end of the day the question is what is the difference between bombing a wedding party and slaughtering kids at a music concert.
Where was this response when Bush was killing thousands of Iraqi innocents?
My head hurts...for all the innocents.
Stop the ****ing wars!
In my world? People like you would be the first against the wall.
LiberalEsto (22,223 posts)
19. The CIA is too busy spying on the likes of us nt
That's because Barry thinks we are the real enemy.
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The bottom line is that their only concern is for federal dollars to be showered on them and something like this proves that we do need a military.
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napi21 (40,371 posts)
3. I agree the Hatfield & McCoy tactics aren't working, however
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In my world? People like you would be the first against the wall.
Dibs on first magazine. :hyper:
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Am I the only one thinking the best response to the Paris attacks is an intelligence response?
I agree. We need to use our intelligence services to find the exact right spot to drop a HUGE nuke, blow them all to hell and let God sort them out.
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I agree. We need to use our intelligence services to find the exact right spot to drop a HUGE nuke, blow them all to hell and let God sort them out.
Dropping one on Iran and Syria might just stop all this terrorist crap. Also, Congress should pass legislation that terrorist attacks are a federal crime punishable by death. Time to get serious with these uncivilized heathens.
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malaise (134,644 posts)
9. The best response is to arrest the war criminals in the West
and stop slaughtering innocents in the Middle East. Until Bush, Blair et al are in the Hague this planet is not safe. There is nothing called a one sided war - you kill innocents and put your own innocents in grave danger.
Sadly the West does not give a flying fugg about international law, Geneva Conventions, etc and neither do those who respond in this frightening way killing innocent young people.
At the end of the day the question is what is the difference between bombing a wedding party and slaughtering kids at a music concert.
Where was this response when Bush was killing thousands of Iraqi innocents?
My head hurts...for all the innocents.
Stop the ****ing wars!
There are no innocent people in the middle east. You either fight on the side of the terrorists through either direct action or worse, inaction, or you fight on the side of those seeking to stop the terrorism.
It is just that simple.
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I agree. We need to use our intelligence services to find the exact right spot to drop a HUGE nuke, blow them all to hell and let God sort them out.
I think we can save a step.
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1448033/world-population-day-2015.jpg?w=736)
"Nice hajj you got there. It would be a shame if something happened to it"
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backscatter712 (23,483 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027343115
Am I the only one thinking the best response to the Paris attacks is an intelligence response?
Now I kind of agree with the DUmmie on this one. Since the DUmmies are so much more intelligent than the rest of us I propose that we collect all of the DUmmies up and deliver them to the mid-east to personally give our response.
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I think we can save a step.
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1448033/world-population-day-2015.jpg?w=736)
"Nice hajj you got there. It would be a shame if something happened to it"
Hmmm. No huge nuke needed. 4 tactical should do it. One dead center and 3 on the outskirts to prevent whoever survives from getting out. BUT, we use terrorist tactics against them. Detonate one in the middle, wait for the survivors to flee, then detonate the other 3, much like terrorists have an attack, then wait for first responders before striking again (think world trade center).
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America will not wage "Total War" against folks of color (Islam) under the current administration
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malaise (134,644 posts)
9. The best response is to arrest the war criminals in the West
and stop slaughtering innocents in the Middle East. Until Bush, Blair et al are in the Hague this planet is not safe.
Stupid bitch. Why not go vacation with the lovely innocent folks?
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"Murder trolling".
Incredible.
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CMD
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I have one of these cowardly does not accept reality morons on social media today who decided to get brave when i said enoigh ia enough. I wasted no time handing him his ass and pointing out the fact that a female could out balls him. So tired of these ****ing cowards and quite frankly doing the job for the supposed men like the one I mentioned. It's thier appeasement that hasn't worked and they will still be blaming bush, the righr, and the West even as a muzzie slits thier idiot throat spewing that drivel.
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napi21 (40,371 posts)
3. I agree the Hatfield & McCoy tactics aren't working, however
from the little I've heard about internal ops, our intelligence community is having a very difficult time finding people who COULD fit into ISIS as a mole. There aren't very many Arabs or people who could pass for an Arab who on our side and WILLING to do a job like that.
Sounds like the DUmmie is profiling Muslim, by saying they are all
Arabs or at least they all look alike. :panic:
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Operation Linebacker III . Just like we did in Vietnam. We bomb them til;l they beg us to stop. To bad it won't even be discussed till 2017
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I think we can save a step.
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1448033/world-population-day-2015.jpg?w=736)
"Nice hajj you got there. It would be a shame if something happened to it"
I like you're thinking. I'd at least threaten to nuke it.
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Sounds like the DUmmie is profiling Muslim, by saying they are all
Arabs or at least they all look alike. :panic:
There is always....
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"malaise (134,644 posts)
9. The best response is to arrest the war criminals in the West
and stop slaughtering innocents in the Middle East. Until Bush, Blair et al are in the Hague this planet is not safe."
DU morons like you have such a hard- on over the idea of trying everyone in the Bush Administration in the Hague for imaginary war crimes (Most of which just boil down to "They're Republicans/ conservatives, that means they MUST be evil criminals"), but guess what:
THE US IS NOT WITHIN THE HAGUE'S JURISDICTION, YOU IDIOT!