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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Patriot Guard Rider on November 07, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
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Holy Jeebus.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251777841
Star Member Sheepshank (9,076 posts)
I'm with Howard Dean: Bernie is not a Democrat
I was trying very hard to give Bernie the benefit of the doubt for finally announcing that he was now running as a Democrat, and hoe that may have meant that had joined to party and was now a Democrat. I'd even written a couple of posts stating such.
I was trying to be understanding of a man who doesn't like to evolve, but now walks back his earlier statements, "I am not a Democrat", " ...it would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat" and "I am an Independent".
But Howard Dean hedged.
For all of his Bernie support, in a pre-forum interview, Chris Matthew clearly used Bernie's own words "I am running as a Democrat" to plant a seed of doubt. And that is the bottom line, Bernie is running as a Democrat, he never joined the party to be a Democrat. Chris Matthews pressed DWS over and over until she finally and hesitatingly relented and said that Bernie is a Democrat, but Howard refused to capitulate.
Words have meaning and Bernie does just like every single politician and says exactly what he means. Not once has he said he joined the Democratic Party, not once did he say he is now a Democrat....he has said he is like a Democrat and does some things like other Democrats
I'm with Howard Dean. Bernie may be running as a Democrat. This is old news, we knew he was attempting to run on the Democratic ticket, but Bernie is still refusing to actually be a Democrat and join the party. Bernie has and will continue to act in ways that actually undermines the Democratic Party.
RobertEarl (10,733 posts)
1. It berns you bad, eh?
He is running as a Democrat in the Democratic party and he's gonna win the nomination and make Hillary retire.
Go Bernie!
Star Member LWolf (42,849 posts)
7. The label "Democrat"
is meaningless if it doesn't stand for something; and it has to stand for something I can support. I'm a Democrat.
I want the label to represent people, not corporations, and positive change, not the status quo.
That's why I think Bernie is a better democrat than the current dlc/centrist/"new dem"/3rd way/neo-liberal "leadership" in our party, and why I support him over that leadership's preferred candidate.
Armstead (37,089 posts)
8. word salad blah,blah, blah
Leet's keep it simple:
Sanders was not a Democrat. He has been an independent because he has been critical of both parties and believed they are unwilling to change to benefit the majority.
But he has caused with Democrats in Congress, and many of his positions are the same. When they have not he been he has spoken about it,
This year, he saw a need and an opportunity to get his brand of progressive populism into the mainstream election process. When Warren chose not to run, he decided to go for it. But rather than be a third-party spoiler who might hand the WH to the GOP, he is trying to work within the Democratic Party.
And having done that, he is committed to that.
Like it or not. That's what it is.
Vinca (25,145 posts)
10. Bernie is what a true Democrat should be - what a true Democrat used to be.
If the Democratic Party is upset about him being on their ticket, they should say so. He can always run as an Independent and split the vote. I think Bernie probably thought he was doing them a favor by running as a Democrat so he wouldn't enable the GOP to win by taking away any Democratic votes. But that's gratitude for you . . .
Star Member MannyGoldstein (34,169 posts)
17. If Dick Cheney declared himself a Democrat,
would you vote for him if you were eligible?
ibegurpard (13,184 posts)
21. of course
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And so would the rest of you gorilla brained collectivist assholes. As long as he has a D after his name, you'd hold your nose maybe, but you'd vote for him.
tazkcmo (2,134 posts)
25. Wow.
Just, wow.
Star Member MannyGoldstein (34,169 posts)
16. Bernie better represents Democratic values than 95%+ of elected "Democrats"
I'd rather vote for a "Democratic Socialist" who's a Democrat than a "Democrat" who's a Republican.
Wouldn't you?
Please excuse me while I go shower after my visit to that sewer.
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Vinca
Bernie is what a true Democrat should be - what a true Democrat used to be.
So was Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot given the standards of Skin's island. So what's your point?
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Star Member MannyGoldstein (34,169 posts)
17. If Dick Cheney declared himself a Democrat,
would you vote for him if you were eligible?
That puts them in a pickle.