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Woman Accused in MySpace Suicide Case Seeks to Have All Charges Dismissed
By Peter Whoriskey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 24, 2008
The lawyer for a Missouri mother accused of creating a fake MySpace page to harass a 13-year-old girl is arguing that charges should be tossed out of court because if she is guilty, then so are millions of Internet users every day.
Lori Drew became the focus of national outrage after the girl committed suicide. Court papers filed yesterday seize on a possible weakness in the prosecution case that has been noted by several legal experts since the May indictment: While Drew's alleged behavior may have been wrong, there is no legal sanction against it.
In charging Drew, prosecutors relied on their belief that she, like countless others on social networks such as MySpace, created a fake identity -- in this case, a 16-year-old boy, "Josh Evans," who flirted with and then rejected 13-year-old Megan Meier.
Full Article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/23/AR2008072301542.html)
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I don't think this will be dismissed. Anyways, whatever happens to Lori Drew, guilty or not, she is screwed period. Remember OJ Simpson and Lizzie Borden? Both were found not guilty and they ended up being shunned for LIFE. Even in death, Borden is still reviled and she died in 1927. Ultimately, Lori Drew has to answer to God and will not be pleased. Lori Drew has a place in Hell along side with history's most evil figures; Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, 9/11 Hijackers, Elizabeth Bathory, Seung-Hui Cho, and Ted Bundy.
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Its not going to happen Lori.You got caught now pay the price the judge tells you to pay.
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Its not going to happen Lori.You got caught now pay the price the judge tells you to pay.
i think the public shunning is a good start.. i cant imagine having my friends, family and neighbors knowing what a vile piece of crap i turned out to be could be less worse than a jail sentence.
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Its not going to happen Lori.You got caught now pay the price the judge tells you to pay.
Got caught doing what specific illegal act(s)? I have been having a heck of a time trying to find anything she could be found guilty of, except stupidity and callousness.
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Dido, to stupidity and callousness.
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Its not going to happen Lori.You got caught now pay the price the judge tells you to pay.
Got caught doing what specific illegal act(s)? I have been having a heck of a time trying to find anything she could be found guilty of, except stupidity and callousness.
I'm with you, especially since the state declined to indict the woman on whatever charges they could have dreamed up. This criminal prosecution is ridiculous. She did not kill anyone. She took advantage of a cruel hoax. This should be in civil court.
The woman is hardly OJ Simpson or Lizzie Borden. :whatever:
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I dont think she will ever live a normal life regardless of if she is tried or not - Tis a whole new level of low she went to.
As for Lizzie Borden -- she is one of the Wife's cousins.. Needless to say - I try to not upset the missus too much ;)
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Its not going to happen Lori.You got caught now pay the price the judge tells you to pay.
Got caught doing what specific illegal act(s)? I have been having a heck of a time trying to find anything she could be found guilty of, except stupidity and callousness.
I'm with you, especially since the state declined to indict the woman on whatever charges they could have dreamed up. This criminal prosecution is ridiculous. She did not kill anyone. She took advantage of a cruel hoax. This should be in civil court.
The woman is hardly OJ Simpson or Lizzie Borden. :whatever:
Agreed
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I'm with you, especially since the state declined to indict the woman on whatever charges they could have dreamed up. This criminal prosecution is ridiculous. She did not kill anyone. She took advantage of a cruel hoax. This should be in civil court.
The woman is hardly OJ Simpson or Lizzie Borden. :whatever:
Dude, lighten up. Take a deep breath and chill pill. :whatever: I DID'T DIRECTLY compare Lori Drew to those two. I used them as analogy for their future. They were a different situation, but they both still invoke animosity by almost everyone, like Lori Drew is getting today.
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i think the public shunning is a good start.. i cant imagine having my friends, family and neighbors knowing what a vile piece of crap i turned out to be could be less worse than a jail sentence.
I don't know what it is like to be shunned like this. I rather die than live if that was the case.
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You guys better f'n hope she doesn't go to jail for this shit and set a precedent. Have you seen the DUmpster? Do we really want to go down that path? I feel for the little girl, but she could have always turned off the PC.
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You guys better f'n hope she doesn't go to jail for this shit and set a precedent. Have you seen the DUmpster? Do we really want to go down that path? I feel for the little girl, but she could have always turned off the PC.
The local prosecutor is a spineless coward. He takes some blame for this. Anyways, I think blaming the victim is wrong and just as bad as the criminal. And yeah, I don't like the charges either. If she sets a precedent, be damned that Lori Drew will be a target of scorn. We are entering a new field.
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I'm with you, especially since the state declined to indict the woman on whatever charges they could have dreamed up. This criminal prosecution is ridiculous. She did not kill anyone. She took advantage of a cruel hoax. This should be in civil court.
The woman is hardly OJ Simpson or Lizzie Borden. :whatever:
Dude, lighten up. Take a deep breath and chill pill. :whatever: I DID'T DIRECTLY compare Lori Drew to those two. I used them as analogy for their future. They were a different situation, but they both still invoke animosity by almost everyone, like Lori Drew is getting today.
I rarely slip into heavy and I'm certainly comfortable in my conditioned air. Your over-reaction has me concerned, however. :whatever:
I'm even more concerned you didn't compare her to a bunnie in a cabbage patch. :o
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You guys better f'n hope she doesn't go to jail for this shit and set a precedent. Have you seen the DUmpster? Do we really want to go down that path? I feel for the little girl, but she could have always turned off the PC.
F'in' A!
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i think the public shunning is a good start.. i cant imagine having my friends, family and neighbors knowing what a vile piece of crap i turned out to be could be less worse than a jail sentence.
I don't know what it is like to be shunned like this. I rather die than live if that was the case.
I learned to live with it.
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I rarely slip into heavy and I'm certainly comfortable in my conditioned air. Your over-reaction has me concerned, however. :whatever:
I'm even more concerned you didn't compare her to a bunnie in a cabbage patch. :o
How did I overreact. Let's keep the bunny thing off. Bunny hatred is not exactly high on my list and she is different from bunnies. Bunnies have more dignity that she does.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
I want everyone who has every been published in "Dear Abby" arrested for fraud!
Signed,
Handsome In Texas
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i think the public shunning is a good start.. i cant imagine having my friends, family and neighbors knowing what a vile piece of crap i turned out to be could be less worse than a jail sentence.
I don't know what it is like to be shunned like this. I rather die than live if that was the case.
I learned to live with it.
:rimshot:
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
What the hell do you think what we do to liberals can be loosely construed as?
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
What she did is far different than signing up on an anonymous board. She signed up on a networking site as a "real person" established contact with one specific target and proceeded to slowly drive that person crazy. A person IIRC that she know to be emotionally unstable already. Makes for an interesting case but what the prosecutor is saying is that girl would not be dead if Lori Drew did not enter her cyber life and tear her apart.
Trying to compare that to our ridicule of DU is trivializing that girl's death and the probably horrifyingly emotionally painful last days of her 15 year old life.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
What she did is far different than signing up on an anonymous board. She signed up on a networking site as a "real person" established contact with one specific target and proceeded to slowly drive that person crazy. A person IIRC that she know to be emotionally unstable already. Makes for an interesting case but what the prosecutor is saying is that girl would not be dead if Lori Drew did not enter her cyber life and tear her apart.
Trying to compare that to our ridicule of DU is trivializing that girl's death and the probably horrifyingly emotionally painful last days of her 15 year old life.
MySpace doesn't ring you up or come to your door unannounced. You must seek it. That is where this prosecution gets dangerous. The victim(s) had all the control in the situation.
It is my observation that once a case like this is formulated around the slimest of legal circumstances, and yet is successful, it becomes a starting gate to race to see how many other similar cases can be built on flimsier and flimsier legal grounds.
This evil woman and this case belongs in civil court, not in criminal court. We already have enough laws in this country. In fact, we have so many laws that we are all walking around as unindicted future felons already. We don't need to create new circumstances for ourselves.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
What she did is far different than signing up on an anonymous board. She signed up on a networking site as a "real person" established contact with one specific target and proceeded to slowly drive that person crazy. A person IIRC that she know to be emotionally unstable already. Makes for an interesting case but what the prosecutor is saying is that girl would not be dead if Lori Drew did not enter her cyber life and tear her apart.
Trying to compare that to our ridicule of DU is trivializing that girl's death and the probably horrifyingly emotionally painful last days of her 15 year old life.
MySpace doesn't ring you up or come to your door unannounced. You must seek it. That is where this prosecution gets dangerous. The victim(s) had all the control in the situation.
It is my observation that once a case like this is formulated around the slimest of legal circumstances, and yet is successful, it becomes a starting gate to race to see how many other similar cases can be built on flimsier and flimsier legal grounds.
This evil woman and this case belongs in civil court, not in criminal court. We already have enough laws in this country. In fact, we have so many laws that we are all walking around as unindicted future felons already. We don't need to create new circumstances for ourselves.
I disagree about the amount of control the vic had, she was roped into what she thought was a good thing by Lori. And honestly I would be happy to see this lady go to prison, primarily because she did what she did with full malice aforethought. Maybe she didn't know the girl was going to off herself - but Lori set out to cause the maximum amount of emotional harm possible to someone I believe she knew was already emotionally troubled. If Lori Drew was a peer that may be a different story, but IMHO, as an adult there should be consequences for her actions; and I for one don't really care if it means a little more thought before posting on an internet message board.
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I don't like the slippery slope at all. The liberals are only too happy to watch us willingly step up to said slope only to wait until they can use it against us to bump us over the edge. Nope. Not liking it all.
Civil court. That's where this vile woman belongs.
I can also live with the fact that she'll be shunned til her dying day. I'd also be happy if a civil court ruled that she couldn't change her identity to "start over". Nope. She should be forced to live with this around her neck until she no longer draws breath. That to me is far worse than establishing a draconian law that may later ensnare innocent individuals.
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I don't like the slippery slope at all. The liberals are only too happy to watch us willingly step up to said slope only to wait until they can use it against us to bump us over the edge. Nope. Not liking it all.
Civil court. That's where this vile woman belongs.
I can also live with the fact that she'll be shunned til her dying day. I'd also be happy if a civil court ruled that she couldn't change her identity to "start over". Nope. She should be forced to live with this around her neck until she no longer draws breath. That to me is far worse than establishing a draconian law that may later ensnare innocent individuals.
You keep this up and people will say we're lovers.
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Shhh! :-)
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I don't like the slippery slope at all. The liberals are only too happy to watch us willingly step up to said slope only to wait until they can use it against us to bump us over the edge. Nope. Not liking it all.
Civil court. That's where this vile woman belongs.
I can also live with the fact that she'll be shunned til her dying day. I'd also be happy if a civil court ruled that she couldn't change her identity to "start over". Nope. She should be forced to live with this around her neck until she no longer draws breath. That to me is far worse than establishing a draconian law that may later ensnare innocent individuals.
Something along those lines would be fair enough under the laws we have. There still needs to be some kind of civil settlement to the kids family.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
What she did is far different than signing up on an anonymous board. She signed up on a networking site as a "real person" established contact with one specific target and proceeded to slowly drive that person crazy. A person IIRC that she know to be emotionally unstable already. Makes for an interesting case but what the prosecutor is saying is that girl would not be dead if Lori Drew did not enter her cyber life and tear her apart.
Trying to compare that to our ridicule of DU is trivializing that girl's death and the probably horrifyingly emotionally painful last days of her 15 year old life.
Again, WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN?
Certainly not "unauthorized use" -- the person was using MySpace in an authorized manner: She signed on using the id and password she set up for herself. She didn't hack in or even sign on using someone else's id and password.
You need to wrap your head around the idea that this is a criminal prosecution and should not go forward since no crime has been committed.
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I don't like the slippery slope at all. The liberals are only too happy to watch us willingly step up to said slope only to wait until they can use it against us to bump us over the edge. Nope. Not liking it all.
Civil court. That's where this vile woman belongs.
I can also live with the fact that she'll be shunned til her dying day. I'd also be happy if a civil court ruled that she couldn't change her identity to "start over". Nope. She should be forced to live with this around her neck until she no longer draws breath. That to me is far worse than establishing a draconian law that may later ensnare innocent individuals.
Looking at the civil half, there are significant legal hurdles to overcome. The "penalty" for abusing a MySpace account is loss of the account -- nothing more. Intentional infliction of emotional distress is about as far as you can go -- a few thousand bucks at best. Unless you can prove she knew the girl was going to suicide, that probably won't get very much.
"Shunning," OTOH is very doable. The Internet was used to perpetrate this -- it could and should be used to track this woman and keep pressure on her forever.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
The law would not apply to Lori Drew, due to ex post facto. I do believe there are existing laws she broke in the state. She even admitted that the messages were sexual in nature (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1120072megan2.html). Had Lori Drew been Larry Drew, he would be in the slammer. You all remember Dateline: To Catch A Predator with Chris Hansen? Lori Drew's behavior was no different from what they did. Talk about a double standard when it comes to gender of sex offenders. :whatever:
Lori Drew owned a thriving business, member of Chamber of Commerce, homeowner, and married with two children. If one was the measure success, Lori Drew is a successful women and lived the American dream. One would think, she would not do that.
From what I have read, Lori Drew is a woman who takes every slighting as an attack on her and gets extremely wrapped up on her children's squabbles. She is a collector of injustices, a narcissists, sociopath, and never really matured. A sad fact nowadays that many adults are no more mature than children. Having children would make one mature, but for some, they are still immature. I saw a photo of her on the Internet and I can tell by the eyes of her, she is seething with rage.
(http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/hoaxer-lori-drew-picture.jpg)
I suspect her daughter, Sarah, was used as a pawn for her own self-absorbed gains. She goes to blame her own daughter for starting it, even though, she did not play much of a role in it. Just because, Sarah was not Megan's friend is no excuse to get upset. Everyone who went through middle school can related to that. Friends for one day, not friends for the next, and the friends they day after. I am pretty sure Sarah and Megan would be friends again.
I understand many are concerned about the precendants, but we at least get to hear what Lori Drew has to say and perhaps it can reveal what she was like as a child. She has been silent about it. I am sure regardless of verdict, she will be slapped with a lawsuit by the Meiers and other people who were involved in the hoax because they felt that Lori Drew ruined them. That aspect of people involved in the hoax would get thrown out. By than she will be in huge debt from the case, since lawyers cost a lot. One has to wonder if Lori Drew might get killed at the hand of an angry lynch mob, which I think it could happen.
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I do believe there are existing laws she broke in the state. She even admitted that the messages were sexual in nature. Had Lori Drew been Larry Drew, he would be in the slammer. You all remember Dateline: To Catch A Predator with Chris Hansen? Lori Drew's behavior was no different from what they did. Talk about a double standard when it comes to gender of sex offenders.
I respectfully disagree -- her intent had to have been unlawful sexual contact. The arrival of the perp at the subject's house or contact place "knowing" the subject was underage is sufficient to prove intent.
There was not that type of intent here -- this was just an intent to mentally hurt.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/01/09/DI2008010902763.html
Privacy, Free Speech and Anonymity on the Internet
Part 2 of Discussion
Megan Meier (Family Photo)
Daniel J. Solove
Associate Law Professor, George Washington University and Author, 'The Future of Reputation: Gossip, Rumor and Privacy on the Internet'
Friday, January 11, 2008; 12:00 PM
Daniel J. Solove, associate law professor at George Washington University and author of "The Future of Reputation: Gossip, Rumor and Privacy on the Internet," will be online Friday, Jan. 11 at Noon ET to resume his discussion about the Megan Meier-MySpace suicide case and the growing concern over the "Google Generation."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/01/09/DI2008010902763.html
Privacy, Free Speech and Anonymity on the Internet
Part 2 of Discussion
Megan Meier (Family Photo)
Daniel J. Solove
Associate Law Professor, George Washington University and Author, 'The Future of Reputation: Gossip, Rumor and Privacy on the Internet'
Friday, January 11, 2008; 12:00 PM
Daniel J. Solove, associate law professor at George Washington University and author of "The Future of Reputation: Gossip, Rumor and Privacy on the Internet," will be online Friday, Jan. 11 at Noon ET to resume his discussion about the Megan Meier-MySpace suicide case and the growing concern over the "Google Generation."
Extremely interesting article. There is a lot going on in this case -- but I wonder what, if anything, can or should be done to stop cyber-"lynching" (the reaction, not the original cyber-"bullying").
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I think that no child should be allowed on My Space until they are at least 18. I also think that if it isn't for homework the internet should be banned for most kids. My kids are allowed to go on Webkins and The Weather Channel, that is it. Too many sick disgusting pieces of shit out there who would love nothing more than to ruin their lives in any way they can. Call me over protective, I don't care. When they are 18 and out of my house they can do whatever the hell they want.
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I think that no child should be allowed on My Space until they are at least 18. I also think that if it isn't for homework the internet should be banned for most kids. My kids are allowed to go on Webkins and The Weather Channel, that is it. Too many sick disgusting pieces of shit out there who would love nothing more than to ruin their lives in any way they can. Call me over protective, I don't care. When they are 18 and out of my house they can do whatever the hell they want.
My parents bought our first computer when I was 12. I survived just fine until then.
I think that's a perfectly fine rule of thumb.
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Extremely interesting article. There is a lot going on in this case -- but I wonder what, if anything, can or should be done to stop cyber-"lynching" (the reaction, not the original cyber-"bullying").
Don't think you can and it will always happen. You cannot regulate it anyways. Also, lynching is an overused term.
lynch vt. to murder (an accused person) by mob action and without lawful trial, as by hanging.
Source:
Webster’s New World College Dictionary. 1997. Page 807.
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I think that no child should be allowed on My Space until they are at least 18. I also think that if it isn't for homework the internet should be banned for most kids. My kids are allowed to go on Webkins and The Weather Channel, that is it. Too many sick disgusting pieces of shit out there who would love nothing more than to ruin their lives in any way they can. Call me over protective, I don't care. When they are 18 and out of my house they can do whatever the hell they want.
The Internet is like an unexplored jungle. When I first when on the Internet, I was 14 and it was a different world. Things change in the past 10 years.
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Extremely interesting article. There is a lot going on in this case -- but I wonder what, if anything, can or should be done to stop cyber-"lynching" (the reaction, not the original cyber-"bullying").
Don't think you can and it will always happen. You cannot regulate it anyways. Lynching is an overused term anyways.
lynch vt. to murder (an accused person) by mob action and without lawful trial, as by hanging.
Source:
Webster’s New World College Dictionary. 1997. Page 807.
Your point is well taken -- "Lynching" is, indeed, over-used and thus the original meaning is watered down. I was hoping encasing it in quotes would inoculate my usage, but we need a better term. "Internet dogpiling" maybe?
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
What she did is far different than signing up on an anonymous board. She signed up on a networking site as a "real person" established contact with one specific target and proceeded to slowly drive that person crazy. A person IIRC that she know to be emotionally unstable already. Makes for an interesting case but what the prosecutor is saying is that girl would not be dead if Lori Drew did not enter her cyber life and tear her apart.
Trying to compare that to our ridicule of DU is trivializing that girl's death and the probably horrifyingly emotionally painful last days of her 15 year old life.
Again, WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN?
Certainly not "unauthorized use" -- the person was using MySpace in an authorized manner: She signed on using the id and password she set up for herself. She didn't hack in or even sign on using someone else's id and password.
You need to wrap your head around the idea that this is a criminal prosecution and should not go forward since no crime has been committed.
You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
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You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
You should wrap your head around the fact the Prosecutor's stated legal theory is bupkis.
Does the name "Nifong" mean anything to you?
And you have yet to name a single illegal act. I mean, you have Google -- how hard could it be?
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
There are federal laws which come in to play depending upon where the server, which handles that communities internet, is located - interstate wire fraud comes to mind since she committed a fraud when she opened that MySpace account.
Just like I defrauded CC when I said my name is "Free Dumb2003"? If I go to Hotmail and open an account to then open a MySpace account, is that a Federal Crime? No, it isn't.
Give me a freaking break.
As far as the Cyber Bullying goes, if this pozt makes you cry (it might), am I guilty of it?
Last thing: Look up "Bill of Attainder."
What she did is far different than signing up on an anonymous board. She signed up on a networking site as a "real person" established contact with one specific target and proceeded to slowly drive that person crazy. A person IIRC that she know to be emotionally unstable already. Makes for an interesting case but what the prosecutor is saying is that girl would not be dead if Lori Drew did not enter her cyber life and tear her apart.
Trying to compare that to our ridicule of DU is trivializing that girl's death and the probably horrifyingly emotionally painful last days of her 15 year old life.
MySpace doesn't ring you up or come to your door unannounced. You must seek it. That is where this prosecution gets dangerous. The victim(s) had all the control in the situation.
It is my observation that once a case like this is formulated around the slimest of legal circumstances, and yet is successful, it becomes a starting gate to race to see how many other similar cases can be built on flimsier and flimsier legal grounds.
This evil woman and this case belongs in civil court, not in criminal court. We already have enough laws in this country. In fact, we have so many laws that we are all walking around as unindicted future felons already. We don't need to create new circumstances for ourselves.
I disagree about the amount of control the vic had, she was roped into what she thought was a good thing by Lori. And honestly I would be happy to see this lady go to prison, primarily because she did what she did with full malice aforethought. Maybe she didn't know the girl was going to off herself - but Lori set out to cause the maximum amount of emotional harm possible to someone I believe she knew was already emotionally troubled. If Lori Drew was a peer that may be a different story, but IMHO, as an adult there should be consequences for her actions; and I for one don't really care if it means a little more thought before posting on an internet message board.
IMO the victim had 100% control. All she had to do was stop going to myspace or at least block the person that was bugging her. I feel sorry for her family, but I know of no law that was actually broken in this particular case.
And speaking of her family... This girl was only 13. Why weren't her parents keeping better track of her internet usage to begin with?
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IMO the victim had 100% control. All she had to do was stop going to myspace or at least block the person that was bugging her. I feel sorry for her family, but I know of no law that was actually broken in this particular case.
And speaking of her family... This girl was only 13. Why weren't her parents keeping better track of her internet usage to begin with?
Anyone who allows a child to use a computer in their room is guilty of child abuse. All computer use should be in the family room in front of the parents.
And cell phones should be the kind that can call 2 numbers and 911 and take incoming calls from pre-defined numbers only.
But that would be "parenting" and too difficult for the most part.
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IMO the victim had 100% control. All she had to do was stop going to myspace or at least block the person that was bugging her. I feel sorry for her family, but I know of no law that was actually broken in this particular case.
And speaking of her family... This girl was only 13. Why weren't her parents keeping better track of her internet usage to begin with?
Anyone who allows a child to use a computer in their room is guilty of child abuse. All computer use should be in the family room in front of the parents.
And cell phones should be the kind that can call 2 numbers and 911 and take incoming calls from pre-defined numbers only.
But that would be "parenting" and too difficult for the most part.
Children under the age of 16 shouldn't be given cell phones. IMO.
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You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
You should wrap your head around the fact the Prosecutor's stated legal theory is bupkis.
Does the name "Nifong" mean anything to you?
And you have yet to name a single illegal act. I mean, you have Google -- how hard could it be?
Sorry charlie I can have an opinion without googling for justification of that opinion - and so can you.
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You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
You should wrap your head around the fact the Prosecutor's stated legal theory is bupkis.
Does the name "Nifong" mean anything to you?
And you have yet to name a single illegal act. I mean, you have Google -- how hard could it be?
Sorry charlie I can have an opinion without googling for justification of that opinion - and so can you.
The difference is mine is an educated opinion. I have backed up every single thought I have had with appropriate legal analysis. Appeal to Authority is a sad fallacy indeed (friends, don't let this happen to you).
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Ooooh.... This could get interesting.
:popcorn:
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Ooooh.... This could get interesting.
:popcorn:
Yes, logical fallacy deployment always tickles my ribs. I too, await the developments.
*popcorn with that theater motor oil-like butter sauce stuff*
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You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
You should wrap your head around the fact the Prosecutor's stated legal theory is bupkis.
Does the name "Nifong" mean anything to you?
And you have yet to name a single illegal act. I mean, you have Google -- how hard could it be?
Sorry charlie I can have an opinion without googling for justification of that opinion - and so can you.
The difference is mine is an educated opinion. I have backed up every single thought I have had with appropriate legal analysis. Appeal to Authority is a sad fallacy indeed (friends, don't let this happen to you).
As a fellow CU poster used to say "put your internet penis away" nobody wants to see it. All you've done is say no law was broken and called it proper legal analysis. You are as arrogant as the Barakstar.
Enjoy your popcorn.
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You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
You should wrap your head around the fact the Prosecutor's stated legal theory is bupkis.
Does the name "Nifong" mean anything to you?
And you have yet to name a single illegal act. I mean, you have Google -- how hard could it be?
Sorry charlie I can have an opinion without googling for justification of that opinion - and so can you.
The difference is mine is an educated opinion. I have backed up every single thought I have had with appropriate legal analysis. Appeal to Authority is a sad fallacy indeed (friends, don't let this happen to you).
As a fellow CU poster used to say "put your internet penis away" nobody wants to see it. All you've done is say no law was broken and called it proper legal analysis. You are as arrogant as the Barakstar.
Enjoy your popcorn.
I merely await you to back up your position. I have cross-referenced existing law to the case at hand. So, I put it to you again: WHAT LAW HAS BEEN BROKEN?
I have already easily dispatched the "unauthorized use" law's applicability.
So, what law has been broken? I ask because I can tell the law that was broken was "it makes RC upset."
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
Passing such a law is another knee jerk reaction to an emotional issue.
Just like the creation of the TSA, Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Acts were after 9/11.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
Passing such a law is another knee jerk reaction to an emotional issue.
Just like the creation of the TSA, Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Acts were after 9/11.
Besides which, "bill of attainder" and "ex pos factos" are foreign concepts to some people.
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Uuuuuuuuh, you guys do know that Missouri has since passed an cyber bullying law, right?
Passing such a law is another knee jerk reaction to an emotional issue.
Just like the creation of the TSA, Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Acts were after 9/11.
Besides which, "bill of attainder" and "ex pos factos" are foreign concepts to some people.
True.
Sadly it seems that the US Constitutoin is no longer taught or studied in our public schools these days.
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You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
Hey man, 5 Damn justices of the SUPREME COURT just said your property could be seized and given to another private individual. Your point? A Damn J.D. doesn't make someone right.
This would set a precedent that would KILL the very thing you're on right now. Why? I would close this ****er down if I was faced with jail time over the shit we do to DUmmies. Count on it.
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RightCoast, NO law should be created when it's emotionally-based and sorry sir, that law was CLEARLY emotionally-based.
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RightCoast, NO law should be created when it's emotionally-based and sorry sir, that law was CLEARLY emotionally-based.
Don't be sorry. You didn't write nor pass that POS law.
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You should wrap your head around the fact that the prosecutor in this case has more legal experience then you do.
Hey man, 5 Damn justices of the SUPREME COURT just said your property could be seized and given to another private individual. Your point? A Damn J.D. doesn't make someone right.
This would set a precedent that would KILL the very thing you're on right now. Why? I would close this ****er down if I was faced with jail time over the shit we do to DUmmies. Count on it.
I cann see one of the little goons committing suicide, which is more probable than improbable, and afterwards the family of the dead little goon claiming the suicide was caused by the constant ridicule on CC of the little goon's most cherished political beliefs.
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I cann see one of the little goons committing suicide, which is more probable than improbable, and afterwards the family of the dead little goon claiming the suicide was caused by the constant ridicule on CC of the little goon's most cherished political beliefs.
I detect your sarcasm. :whatever:
Let it become a ****ing law and see how you like it. ::)
As for me, I'll bow out. If WE wants to continue it on, fine. I won't spend one ****ing day in jail for someone else's opinion. ....which is what this precedent will set.
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I cann see one of the little goons committing suicide, which is more probable than improbable, and afterwards the family of the dead little goon claiming the suicide was caused by the constant ridicule on CC of the little goon's most cherished political beliefs.
I detect your sarcasm. :whatever:
Let it become a ****ing law and see how you like it. ::)
You need to adjust your detector. I wasn't being sarcastic.
I detect defensiveness. :whatever: It stinks. ::)
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I detect your sarcasm. :whatever:
Let it become a ******* law and see how you like it. ::)
As for me, I'll bow out. If WE wants to continue it on, fine. I won't spend one ******* day in jail for someone else's opinion. ....which is what this precedent will set.
I started the topic and I can lock it myself without any admins and mods. There is a lock icon on any topic you start. I am not the kind of person who likes to lock topics, let alone delete them. If it goes out of hand, I will go ahead and lock it, but not right now.
Back on topic. The federal case seems to be very polarizing with two factions. On the other hand, both sides view Lori Drew as a rotten low life of the lowest denominator. This case does remind me of Wanda Holloway.
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we know there have been cases tried before to hold people responsible for the actions of others. I don't know if it compares, but Ozzy Osbourne faced charges over his music. Anyone remember that? Didn' they try to hold him legally liable for the death of a kid who was into his music?
I'll google, but anyway, I wanted to throw that out there. The internet is different and this case is different in that Drew targeted an individual. But the concept of listening to music and logging on to the internet are kind of the same - voluntary. And of course free speech comes into play. Yes, this is a sticky one and we should all pay attention to the consequences.