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Title: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: dutch508 on September 18, 2015, 11:13:44 PM
Surely.... they can't be this stupid?

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CJCRANE (17,373 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/113510264

Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?

Okay, so there would be several thousand very angry bankers, but on the other hand there would be over 300 million very grateful Americans.

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hack89 (31,600 posts)
2. Lets use Zimbabwe <--- well known Socialist paradise! as our example - that's basically what they tried to do.

hyperinflation and the resultant destruction of every American's wealth would be the most likely outcome. I don't think all those American's will be that happy.

Barry would be pleased.

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CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
4. But we're told that's why we can't have nice things...

because we have to pay off the debt.

CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
6. Where does the money go?

Who gets it and what do they do with it?

CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
8. The money that goes to pay the debt.

Who to and where does it actually go?

I'm not asking you specifically (unless you know), I'm just thinking aloud, trying to figure out how it all works and who ends up with the money.

OMG... they are that stupid.

Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: Chris_ on September 18, 2015, 11:14:32 PM
Surely.... they can't be this stupid?
Of course they are... don't be silly. :)
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: Big Dog on September 18, 2015, 11:16:50 PM
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Pretty soon, we won't be able to buy a cup of coffee with the damn things.
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: Chris_ on September 18, 2015, 11:19:31 PM
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Pretty soon, we won't be able to buy a cup of coffee with the damn things.
Don't mind me... just going to the store to buy a loaf of bread.

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Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: obumazombie on September 18, 2015, 11:28:08 PM
This race for the DOTY is becoming a barnburner.
If any of my fellow cavers win with their mole, I will be extremely upset.
Bring your moles to a simmer and let the denizens of the DUmp flotsam and jetsam to the top.
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on September 19, 2015, 03:27:20 AM
Surely.... they can't be this stupid?

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CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
4. But we're told that's why we can't have nice things...

because we have to pay off the debt.

CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
6. Where does the money go?

Who gets it and what do they do with it?

CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
8. The money that goes to pay the debt.

Who to and where does it actually go?

I'm not asking you specifically (unless you know), I'm just thinking aloud, trying to figure out how it all works and who ends up with the money.




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OMG... they are that stupid.

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Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: SVPete on September 19, 2015, 09:10:47 AM
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hack89 (31,600 posts)
2. Lets use Zimbabwe ... that's basically what they tried to do.

hyperinflation and the resultant destruction of every American's wealth would be the most likely outcome. I don't think all those American's will be that happy.

Gee, a DU-member who "gets" at least a part of "it"?!

OTOH, here's a clue-free zone:

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CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
4. But we're told that's why we can't have nice things...

because we have to pay off the debt.

CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
6. Where does the money go?

Who gets it and what do they do with it?

CJCRANE (17,373 posts)
8. The money that goes to pay the debt.

Who to and where does it actually go?

I'm not asking you specifically (unless you know), I'm just thinking aloud, trying to figure out how it all works and who ends up with the money.

 :thatsright: :banghead: Hello! Paying a debt means paying BACK money one has borrowed and already used![/b] So, whoever the Feds borrowed that money from would be the ones getting it back! :banghead: :thatsright:

I've seen enough of human nature to realize that many/most people resent or hate the people from whom they borrowed money or owe money for having used a service (e.g. the power company or phone company). But at least have the minimal honesty to acknowledge that one has used the bank's money or the utility's services!
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: Delmar on September 19, 2015, 09:20:28 AM
Surely.... they can't be this stupid?

If it had been an original idea it would have been merely stupid, but trying to pass off Paul Krugtard's stupid idea from a couple years ago as his own reaches a new level of stupid.
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Enter the platinum coin. There’s a legal loophole allowing the Treasury to mint platinum coins in any denomination the secretary chooses. Yes, it was intended to allow commemorative collector’s items — but that’s not what the letter of the law says. And by minting a $1 trillion coin, then depositing it at the Fed, the Treasury could acquire enough cash to sidestep the debt ceiling — while doing no economic harm at all.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/be-ready-to-mint-that-coin/?_r=0
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: jb2u11 on September 19, 2015, 10:39:21 AM
Certainly the smartest people on earth can figure this out right?
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 19, 2015, 11:34:26 AM
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CJCRANE (17,373 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/113510264

Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?

I think Trump just found a cabinet member.
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: DLR Pyro on September 19, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
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A trillion dollar barry coin.  What a great idea.  They will only have to produce 18 of them and we will have this debt problem solved.
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: diesel driver on September 19, 2015, 02:16:36 PM
A trillion dollar barry coin.  What a great idea.  They will only have to produce 18 of them and we will have this debt problem solved.

Mint just 9 of them, that way, Barry will be paying back the part of the debt HE created.

(Those coins would be as worthless as he is.)
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: DLR Pyro on September 19, 2015, 02:28:18 PM


(Those coins would be as worthless as he is.)

not true.  Those coins could be used in a pinch to restore power if a fuse blows. 
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: diesel driver on September 19, 2015, 02:37:57 PM
not true.  Those coins could be used in a pinch to restore power if a fuse blows.

Depends on how big they make them. 

They'll probably be some bastard size, too big to fit a fuse socket, too small to use in a buss box, and too thin to carry more than 10 amps.
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: Ptarmigan on September 19, 2015, 02:43:00 PM
It would lead to inflation? Hello? Remember Weimar Republic?
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: miskie on September 19, 2015, 02:44:47 PM
Seriously ?

Though I suppose making everybody's savings & earnings worthless is a path to "financial equality".

Wow ! Billy just told me bread is on sale today for a mere $513.99 - That's only half of my paycheck !
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: jukin on September 19, 2015, 02:53:43 PM
DUmbass IQ78: Why can't we make 1+1=POTATO.
DUmbass IQ70: That's stupid 1+1=BLUE.
DUmbass IQ90: Wait, doesn't 1+1 have to equal a number, like maybe 4?
DUIQ78: DUIQ90, you f*cking freeper. I bet you think blm is about blacks oppressing whites.
DUIQ70: Yeah DUIQ90, you stupid and a racist.
DUIQ90: Well maybe you have a point. Let's ask the really, really smart people like Nadin about this. She is super smart.
DUIQ78: It's racist not to ask our sooper smart and strong Africans in America.
DUIQ90: Well if Nadin and our intelligence black people think the answer is a root vegetable or a colour I have to agree. You know I have lots of black and dwarfish friends.
DUIQ78: Yeah if blacks agree it should be that because I'm not a racist.
DUIQ70: What about women? I bet women would think it is BLUE.
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: Chris_ on September 19, 2015, 04:16:09 PM
A trillion dollar barry coin.  What a great idea.  They will only have to produce 18 of them and we will have this debt problem solved.
Don't you remember they floated this idea during his first term?
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: BannedFromDU on September 19, 2015, 05:40:46 PM

     We can solve this pretty conclusively. Just mint a $1 trillion coin and give one to each American. The richest American has less than $100 billion in net worth, so instantly the distribution of wealth in the US is level. Completely, utterly, level. Let's see what happens then. You think that $15 minimum wage won't do anything? Fine. Maybe you're right. Want to know what that $18 trillion currency drop would do to your pathetic stock of pennies? Hint: go try to buy that hemp smoothie and see how much it costs.
Title: Re: Why can't the treasury just mint 18 trillion dollar coins and pay off the debt?
Post by: obumazombie on September 20, 2015, 11:53:22 AM
If it had been an original idea it would have been merely stupid, but trying to pass off Paul Krugtard's stupid idea from a couple years ago as his own reaches a new level of stupid.http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/be-ready-to-mint-that-coin/?_r=0

I'm in shock that even Krugman would suggest such a hair brained scheme.
I would have guessed it was an onion article.
What's even more shocking is that every legitimate economist hasn't publicly eviscerated Krugman on such a quixotic suggestion.