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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on September 18, 2015, 09:44:09 AM
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Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:12 AM
oberliner (31,498 posts)
What should have been done in response to the briefing that Bin Laden planned to attack the US?
Several folks have brought up the briefing where Bush was informed that Bin Laden intended to attack the US. The implication seems to be that the US could have (or should have) taken action that might have prevented 9/11.
What action could/would/should that have been and would we as Democrats had supported Bush in pursuing whatever those actions were to try to preempt the 9/11 attack before it occurred?
That is to say, a president who wanted to "keep us safe" in the face of that briefing ought to have done what?
:popcorn:
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:16 AM
Oneironaut (429 posts)
1. Do these things:
A - Take the intelligence seriously and not brush it off
B - Use intelligence assets to hunt down the threats in the U.S. and abroad.
C - If possible, arrest or take out the hijackers.
It's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback I guess, but I really think more could have been done. They might have failed to stop the attacks anyways, but the effort seemed to be very poor.
All of which Bubba failed on for years.
Response to Oneironaut (Reply #1)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:20 AM
oberliner (31,498 posts)
2. Good points
I definitely agree that Bush ought not to get any credit for "keeping us safe" but I just don't know what it is he ought to have done that might have helped to prevent the attacks.
You are flirting with pizza.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:21 AM
Star Member pnwmom (63,502 posts)
3. He could have ended his vacation, for starters, and gone back to DC to confer
on an emergency basis with the military and State.
He could have ordered an immediate gathering of more information -- the kind of coordination between the FBI and other authorities that was only ordered AFTER the attacks.
He could have put the whole country in high alert.
He could have sent an order to the FAA instructing them to put security officials in high alert. There was a TSA employee who almost detained one of the terrorists; if such an alert had been in place he almost certainly would have.
He could have ordered that all cockpit doors be secured.
He could have stopped flights over the White House and the Pentagon.
He could have put the bin Laden family under surveillance (remember, he gave them special treatment when he helped them leave the country at a time when no airlines were allowed to fly).
And you mongrels would have been screeching for impeachment on any one of the above.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:34 AM
ChisolmTrailDem (5,988 posts)
8. Ok, so let's say there was no way to stop the attack before it began...
But once the hijackings started, where was our Air Force to shoot the planes down before they could be used as bombs at the WTC and Pentagon?
This is why we laugh at you mutts.
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Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:21 AM
Star Member pnwmom (63,502 posts)
3.
He could have sent an order to the FAA instructing them to put security officials in high alert. There was a TSA employee who almost detained one of the terrorists; if such an alert had been in place he almost certainly would have.
The TSA did not come into being until 11/11... :whistling:
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Wow.. The stupid is strong with this one...
ChisolmTrailDem (5,988 posts)
8. Ok, so let's say there was no way to stop the attack before it began...
But once the hijackings started, where was our Air Force to shoot the planes down before they could be used as bombs at the WTC and Pentagon?
So you are advocating that the evil, imperialist, AmeriKKKan military, who you spit on after Vietnam, and were EAGER to do the same to OIF/OEF vets, That military, violate SEVERAL LAWS and NO HISTORICAL PRESIDENCE to shoot down aircraft FULL of American hostages?
At no point prior to 9/11 had planes been used as weapons. NONE. The Air Traffic Controllers had no idea that they were going to kill themselves. It wasn't considered an option.
And even if it was, we don't just leave fighters sitting on the tarmac with live warheads anymore. That was part of you buddy Bill Clinton's gutting of the military.
Then there's that whole posse comitatus act. I know laws dont mean anything to a democrat president, Obama has CLEARLY demonstrated THAT!
But had Bush acted unilaterally with congress's notification, you'd have called for his impeachment... well, no more than you already did and do still, even though he hasn't been president for 7 YEARS.
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If you ever need to see DUmp revisionism or ignorance here you go.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:57 AM
Star Member jeff47 (19,672 posts)
11. Compare it to the response of the Clinton administration to the Millennium bomb plot
There was some intelligence showing planning for a large bombing was taking place. They did not know where the bombers would strike.
So the Clinton administration made the FBI, CIA, and a bunch of other agencies meet every day to discuss what they had uncovered. This group also briefed Clinton every week.
The result was they put all the pieces together and arrested the bombers when they drove the truck bomb across the Canadian border. As a result, there was not a massive explosion at Los Angeles International Airport.
Thanks to after-the-fact investigations, we know that all the information necessary to prevent 9/11 was known by the government. It was not known by the same people in the government, so the pieces were not put together. If Bush had done what Clinton did, the pieces would have been put together, and 9/11 would not have happened.
Meanwhile back in the actual reality based world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam
Ressam rented a dark green 1999 Chrysler 300M luxury sedan, and on the evening of December 13, Ressam and Dahoumane hid the explosives and all the related components in the wheel well in the car's trunk.[1][7][24] On December 14, they left Vancouver, traveling to Victoria, British Columbia. Believing that he would draw less scrutiny alone, Ressam sent Dahoumane back to Vancouver by bus.[1][10][16][22]
M/V Coho ferry entering Victoria, B.C., Canada
Ressam took the M/V Coho car ferry from Victoria to Port Angeles, Washington.[9][10] He successfully passed through U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service checks in Victoria, and boarded the last ferry of the day for the 90-minute crossing to the U.S.[7][17][25]
After the ferry docked in Port Angeles at 6 pm, Ressam intended to be the last car to leave the ferry.[1][17][23] Although there had not been any intelligence reports suggesting threats, U.S. Customs inspector Diana Dean decided to have a secondary Customs search conducted of Ressam's car, saying later that Ressam was acting "hinky" and asked him to get out of the car.[1][10][26][27]
Now you would condemn her for Islamophobic profiling.
Eat shit and die DUmbasses. :bird:
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Of course non queer,non black,non intelligent Rolex randy has to screech.
Response to Human101948 (Reply #5)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:02 PM
randys1 (9,948 posts)
31. Not only didnt take it seriously, the little prick murdering asshole says "you can say you did your
job now" to the person handing him the info.
He did not care, at all.
And then, when it happened, the little chickenshit found out what terror really is and ran and hid like a piece of shit
Then proceeded to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents including Americans
****!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:59 AM
randys1 (9,948 posts)
29. Day One of the stolen presidency with W the word went out that terrorism
is not important and Russians are.
The day of the attacks Bush got on AF1 and ran and hid for how many hours? You really are that stupid aren`t you.
Biggest chickenshit prick of all time.
It isnt what they could have done THAT DAY of the briefing, it is if they had taken advice from Clinton instead of having the attitude that Bin Laden wasnt important.
The ongoing investigations at the time werent coordinated, and that was a failure that I guess cant be blamed on the asshole.
(pats his pockets, looks around, "what website am I at again?")
Where did our newest DUmbass visitor go?
You wonder why we mock and ridicule you mutants.
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So the same clowns that rail against drone strikes killing American terrorist's fighting in a foreign country would be perfectly OK with killing actual civilians on American soil? :mad:
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So the same clowns that rail against drone strikes killing American terrorist's fighting in a foreign country would be perfectly OK with killing actual civilians on American soil? :mad:
Sums up all you need to know about the DUches. Remember, 'Scratch a liberal, find a fascist'.
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Where did our newest DUmbass visitor go?
It will be well after lunch before the (probable) societal leach sleeps off it's chemically induced coma.
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Response to oberliner (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:35 PM
Politicalboi (13,558 posts)
55. NOTHING was going to prevent 9/11
Bush/Cheney were going to attack us no matter what. Bin Laden and his magic planes that leave ZERO debris on the ground at impact. How'd he do that? The world doesn't care, they just want to believe what they were told even though logic and evidence says different.
C`mon DUmbass genius,explain this little nugget of DUmp insanity.
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Oneironaut (429 posts)
1. Do these things:
A - Take the intelligence seriously and not brush it off
B - Use intelligence assets to hunt down the threats in the U.S. and abroad.
C - If possible, arrest or take out the hijackers.
These would be the same intelligence assets that:
1. Had 3/4 of Congress, Klintoon, Gore and most of the world talking about Hussien's chemical weapons that were there and have been proven to have been there.
2. The same intelligence assets that built the Big Bush Lie. ::)
3. Were compartmentalized to the point of dysfunction by perhaps the most incompetent government Clinton-hack that has ever held employment.
That one, right?
:bird:
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That DU thread is a good reminder that "good" conspiracy theories are founded on the assumption that facts are created by the conspiracy.
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Response to oberliner (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:15 PM
Star Member polly7 (14,483 posts)
58. I just can't get over why they wouldn't at least warn the airports,
secure the cockpit doors and possibly even have an armed officer on each plane. What would that have cost and how much trouble could it have been to do?
How can a caveman mentality ever compare to these Mensa heavyweights? :rotf:
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I recall a Pittster post a couple of days after 9-11 suggesting the DUmp join with "Bushco" to eliminate the moslem perps. I don't know if it made it to the cement pond of archives, but it did happen and some DUmprangers admonished him for it.
Sheeit, that was about fifty dozen moles ago.
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We never did get a satisfactory or definitive result of the twin towers replica demonstration.
Until we do, none of these other petty subjects will be resolved.
If only I had invested in chicken wire and cement just before that fateful day, I could be king of the DUmmies today.
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We never did get a satisfactory or definitive result of the twin towers replica demonstration.
Until we do, none of these other petty subjects will be resolved.
If only I had invested in chicken wire and cement just before that fateful day, I could be king of the DUmmies today.
I have concrete blocks and chicken wire, but I was saving those to build a backyard smoker.
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