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Title: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: dutch508 on September 11, 2015, 11:34:21 PM
Oh goodness! This is going to be sooooooooo great!

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MrScorpio (63,202 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118725677

The Breakdown…


First of all, I want to thank all of you for having confidence in my point of view regarding the letter. Just to let you know, I'm pretty opened minded about the reasons that someone may disagree with what I'm about to say, but I reserve the right to judge whether or not what is said makes any sense. I'm not going to sit here and deal with straw man arguments and faulty logic. The signs are all there and I'm quite aware that I may not come up with all of the answers.

I'm going to try to be fair.

Secondly, I'm going to make some references to this excellent Salon article, http://www.salon.com/2015/04/10/white_americas_racial_illiteracy_why_our_national_conversation_is_poisoned_from_the_start_partner/ as part of my rationale.

That said, let's get started:

Number One, the obvious: Whomever sent this letter was trying to send a message. This is part of the communication process and all the elements are there. You have the message, you have the sender of that message (writer), you have the receiver of that message (Bravenak) and you have a clearly explained expectation of feedback, which we will get to. The message had a specific purpose that the writer (sender) as trying to get across and we'll examine that as well. But most of all, I intend to demonstrate clear motive and technique.

My first impression is that the writer is relatively cogent. Despite the tone and the use of invectives, we're dealing with a writer who was direct and communicated their intentions thusly. Let's not try and read too much into the message being sent (divide and conquer, false flag and other such nonsense). The letter as written was clearly done to be taken as face value. I'll explain this as we go along. Most of all, I really have no reason to think that it was written by some knuckle-dragger… No grunts.

Part one the address:

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bravenak,


The first question that you have to ask is, why did the writer take the time to address Bravenak by her user name, especially since he knows her IRL name and even wrote that on the envelope?

There's two things to consider here. The first being so obvious that the writer wanted to establish the fact that he's personally connected one name to the other. This was an explicit demonstration that the writer knows who the Bravenak is and he knows her IRL name. Clearly a form of intimidation, as her confidentiality is now being violated.

The second part is a reestablishment of a previous encounter. The writer is establishing the fact that they've had a previous encounter. He's using her DU user name, which implies that the previous encounter happened on DU, from one DU member to another. He mentions DU later on in the letter, which excludes an encounter elsewhere, like of Twitter. As shown later on in the letter as well, the writer is clearly demonstrating his personal own sense of dominance over Bravenak through implicit intimidation in a particular arena. By addressing her by her user name, he has established that DU is in fact that arena. He's not as concerned about IRL.


Part Two, sentence one of the first para:

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We grew tired of your race baiting bullshit
against the only candidate that cares
about the plight of minorities and the 99%.


He's writing the letter to her personally. We already can figure out that he doesn't like her at all, so why has he used the personal pronoun "We?" There are two ways to look at this: One, he's either a self-appointed representative of the group that he identifies with, or, two, he's inferring that he has accomplices. I'm leaning towards choice number one. Mostly because of the fact that the letter was written, dripping with an aura of white male entitlement and white fragility. To this writer, this is personal. He's in protective mode here.

This also is a direct attempt to isolate Bravenak. He's pointing out the fact that he has others who are like minded. He has sympathetic friends and they're all aligned against her. This theme continues throughout the letter. Obviously, he feels this way because he's identified similar attitudes to his own throughout the various discussions. Please make a not of that.

The "race baiting" accusation is clearly a demonstration of the writer experiencing race-based stress. To the writer, Bravenak's opinions about race and how racial matters relate to his candidate of choice must not be allowed. From the Salon article:

This systemic and institutional control allows those of us who are white in North America to live in a social environment that protects and insulates us from race-based stress. We have organized society to reproduce and reinforce our racial interests and perspectives. Further, we are centered in all matters deemed normal, universal, benign, neutral and good. Thus, we move through a wholly racialized world with an unracialized identity (e.g. white people can represent all of humanity, people of color can only represent their racial selves).

Challenges to this identity become highly stressful and even intolerable. The following are examples of the kinds of challenges that trigger racial stress for white people:

Suggesting that a white person’s viewpoint comes from a radicalized frame of reference (challenge to objectivity);

People of color talking directly about their own racial perspectives (challenge to white taboos on talking openly about race);

People of color choosing not to protect the racial feelings of white people in regards to race (challenge to white racial expectations and need/entitlement to racial comfort);

People of color not being willing to tell their stories or answer questions about their racial experiences (challenge to the expectation that people of color will serve us);

A fellow white not providing agreement with one’s racial perspective (challenge to white solidarity);

Receiving feedback that one’s behavior had a racist impact (challenge to white racial innocence);

Suggesting that group membership is significant (challenge to individualism);

An acknowledgment that access is unequal between racial groups (challenge to meritocracy);

Being presented with a person of color in a position of leadership (challenge to white authority);

Being presented with information about other racial groups through, for example, movies in which people of color drive the action but are not in stereotypical roles, or multicultural education (challenge to white centrality).


Rather than being allowed to voice her own opinion as a equally valid one, the writer has made it clear that Bravenak should be expressing a sense of appreciation towards Bernie instead. After all, how dare she… A mere black woman, question Bernie? To the writer, she obviously doesn't know her place. So, he wrote this letter to fix the situation.

Part Three, sentences 2 and 3

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You and your ****ing "I really like Bernie"
bullshit. So you got 4 hides in one day. You
deserved more.


If anything, these sentences show how much the writer is invested in Bernie. To him, no true supporter of Sanders would EVER question his positions on any matter at all, much less anything about race and coming from a mere black woman. The fact that she did dare to question Bernie meant that she deserved to be harshly punished for it. He's demonstrating his sense of righteous indignation fulfilled, even somewhat insufficiently in his own opinion.

He's expressing his own raw sense of anger and righteous indignation. He also made sure to notify Bravenak that he was paying close attention to how she was treated for her apparent offense. This would imply that he had a direct role in alerting on her posts. He didn't admit it, but he has been monitoring her. Who other than a DUer would maintain such close accounting on the inner workings of the site?

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When you come off your suspension, you keep
running your ****ing mouth, guarantee you're
going to get alerted on and suspended again.
We'll make a point of it. There's a hell of a lot
more of us than there is of you. So I suggest
you dial it back a whole ****ing bunch.


Again this is another indication that the writer and others of like mind plan on monitoring her and will engage in further concerted efforts against her. Another reference to others and their actions speaks to collusion. This is a direct threat and a tacit statement that, in regards to her own opinions, she had no rights that they're bound to tolerate. This is an establishment of privileged ownership of DU as well. Black voices are not welcome here to them, unless those voices are completely and utterly supportive of the writer's preferred candidate. Otherwise, the offending party is to be made an example of.

That is the specific type of feedback that the writer was calling for in his message: Submit or be punished.

Part Four, The Sign Off.

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GO BERNIE!!!

Mr. Citizen
DU Member


I want to used this part of the letter to reinforce my contention that the writer is a member of the site and not some outsider troll:

All three elements point to this.

1. "GO BERNIE!!!" - We shouldn't expect outside trolls care about Bernie. As someone coming to his defense, why would anyone else outside of a Bernie supporting DUer care what anyone on this site said about Bernie? Bernie is not the struggle of RW trolls. To them, all Democrats are bad. Rather than specifying Bernie as a singular point of contention, someone not invested in a single candidate would tend to generalize. A fake DUer would a point of criticizing Bravenak for making questionable comments about any of the candidates. Only Bernie matters to the writer, which would indicate that he regularly expresses contempt towards the others, Hillary especially.

2. "Mr. Citizen" - He clearly establishing a sense of patriarchal dominance here, which coincides with the way he established ownership and identification with the site as well. He's not just a "Citizen," he's own a title which establishes his role, as place in the hierarchy over that of Bravenak.

3. "DU Member" - More reinforcement of the same theme that was played out through the letter.

Outside RW Trolls do not care who any particular DUer would support. Again, to them, they're all bad.

Next, trolls operate on a strict time-line that's singularly scheduled for instant gratification. The letter writer took the time to uncover Bravenak's real name, type the letters, address them and send them to her. That meant that the writer was being deliberate. Where's the instant payoff in that?

This letter wasn't meant for general consumption, because there was absolutely no guarantee that Bravenak would show the letters off on line. Had she chose not to show the letters off, none of us would be having this conversation. If she had not chosen to show the letters off, an attempt to divide and conquer DUers against each other would have never happened. Such a campaign against the site, through her, would have failed.

The letter reached the only intended target, Bravenak, not the site in general. Outsider trolls would only target a specific DUer unless that DUer could be made an example of to the rest of the membership.

This letter is another phase in an ongoing, internecine conflict on DU. It's part of DUers targeting other DUers, an extension of the way that DUers, especially against those members of color who are daring to speak their own mind, who are being marginalized through the jury system. The letter made several direct references to that fact, with guarantees that such harassment is bound to continue. Outsiders, especially people who are political outliers, have no way to count on DUers in general to vote in juries a specific way.

Everything here points to a single, white male, Bernie supporting member, apparently one living in Florida OMG... he went with the Typical Serial Killer description! (Or perhaps colluding with someone living in Florida.) A person who felt entitled enough to write the letters, send them to Bravenak, attempted to conceal his identity with the use of phony return addresses, expressed contempt for anyone who dared not support his candidate of choice, felt confident enough to point out that he has allies who will collude with his own campaign against black DUers, believed that he can use his own sense of white fragility as a justification to target prominent black members of the site and felt confident enough in his own efforts to believe that he'll be generally supported by a majority of other members and get away with it.

Again, I call for this person, or persons responsible to be identified and their membership removed.

Attacking any member in such a threatening way should not be tolerated at all.

Lastly, if I've missed something, I'd love to hear it from you. I wrote this while I was somewhat tired, so please forgive whatever tiepoze I've missed. If fix them later, after I wake up.

Right now, it's good night, sweet prince.

Thanks again and I'll catch you all later.

Mrs Corpio makes a run for DOTY...
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: JakeStyle on September 12, 2015, 01:50:05 AM
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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Star Member pnwmom (63,234 posts)     Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:48 AM

10. Great job, MrScorpio. And you made an important point that hadn't occurred to me at all.

If this were an attempt to disrupt DU, it would have been defeated completely by her simply tossing the letter. No one on DU ever had to hear about it. So it seems that is a very unlikely motive.

I already thought the letter targeted her -- not DU in general-- but you've really sealed the case for me.

All the more reason to believe that the whole thing is a hoax perpetrated by bravenak in order to grant herself immunity from future criticism.

This whole kerfunkle is one of the more ridiculous examples of mass hysteria from the DUmmies, and it's good to see that MrScorpio is taking full advantage of it to spew his racist hatred.  It's too bad that the other DUmbshits will just lap it up and ask for another cupful.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Carl on September 12, 2015, 05:02:36 AM
Pineapple head completely misses the mark.

Nowhere did he mention how it was really about nads.

Fail.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: tanstaafl on September 12, 2015, 05:37:38 AM
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When you come off your suspension, you keep
running your ****ing mouth, guarantee you're
going to get alerted on and suspended again.
We'll make a point of it. There's a hell of a lot
more of us than there is of you. So I suggest
you dial it back a whole ****ing bunch.

Well, that right there is proof I didn't write that,

"running your f****** mouth" is not in my normal, everyday lexicon.

I would have said "have your ass cover the checks your mouth is writing."

Positive proof.

Oh, and Mrs Corpio couldn't find its ass with an entire army helping him.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Big Dog on September 12, 2015, 07:14:16 AM
Well, that right there is proof I didn't write that,

"running your f****** mouth" is not in my normal, everyday lexicon.

I would have said "have your ass cover the checks your mouth is writing."

Positive proof.

Oh, and Mrs Corpio couldn't find its ass with an entire army helping him.

Proof I didn't write it: nowhere does it say "make me a sammich".

Proof franksolich didn't write it: Death comes unexpectedly, holding an S&K adjustable wrench. It does not send a warning notice.

Proof ptarmigan didn't write it: it does not mention "sodomite bunnies".

Proof our newest troll didn't write it: it doesn't hump the Trump.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: miskie on September 12, 2015, 07:31:42 AM
Hey Sherlock -

Let me shorten this for you, as most of DU won't be able to understand what you wrote.

:ducracka:

EOM.

Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 12, 2015, 07:32:19 AM
Proof I didn't write it: nowhere does it say "make me a sammich".

Proof franksolich didn't write it: Death comes unexpectedly, holding an S&K adjustable wrench. It does not send a warning notice.

Proof ptarmigan didn't write it: it does not mention "sodomite bunnies".

Proof our newest troll didn't write it: it doesn't hump the Trump.

Proof I didn't write it:  the name 'Vlad Tepes' is nowhere in it.  (Plus, I'm too lazy to waste the brainpower on them.)
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: USA4ME on September 12, 2015, 07:51:38 AM
So the writer arrogantly views themselves as being superior, believing their little corner of the political world is above being questioned, condemns all opinions that are completely and utterly not supportive of their preferred viewpoint, and if others don't fall in line, then the offending party is to be made an example of.

Sounds like a Democrat.

.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: SVPete on September 12, 2015, 07:52:37 AM
Proof I didn't write it: nowhere does it say "make me a sammich".

Proof franksolich didn't write it: Death comes unexpectedly, holding an S&K adjustable wrench. It does not send a warning notice.

Proof ptarmigan didn't write it: it does not mention "sodomite bunnies".

Proof our newest troll didn't write it: it doesn't hump the Trump.

Proof Sarge didn't write it: no warning against the ptarmigan ninjas stalking her.

Proof I didn't write it: no bib number or finisher's medal and too laconic.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: JakeStyle on September 12, 2015, 08:28:40 AM
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Mostly because of the fact that the letter was written, dripping with an aura of white male entitlement and white fragility.

If I'd have written it, it would be dripping with an aura of black male entitlement and black fragility, just for shits and grins.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: SVPete on September 12, 2015, 08:39:56 AM
If I'd have written it, it would be dripping with an aura of black male entitlement and black fragility, just for shits and grins.

Can't be me, then. My aura is sort of mixed pink and tan and a bit crusty.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: JakeStyle on September 12, 2015, 08:47:29 AM
Can't be me, then. My aura is sort of mixed pink and tan and a bit crusty.

Makes me wonder how one can write a short "letter" that is so thick with racial indicators without once mentioning race or gender?
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Mr Mannn on September 12, 2015, 08:52:55 AM
That OP is way to long to read. But lucky for you all, I have a simple transation, of a long a$$ post
This translation is presented free of charge, as a public service.
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MrScorpio (63,202 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118725677

Firstly I'm going to try to be fair. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Next I will completely negate my first point with this one
Secondly, I'm going to make some references to this excellent Salon article, http://www.salon.com/2015/04/10/Whitey_Bad_Blacks_Good/ as part of my rationale.

That said, let's get started:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGBw8jS3sMw[/youtube]

Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Maverick1987 on September 12, 2015, 09:06:05 AM
Mrs Corpio has now removed all doubt that he was a co-conspirator in this whole kerfuffle
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Big Dog on September 12, 2015, 09:10:37 AM
Mrs. Corpio is white-knighting Brainiak. When will the KKKlams  whack his pee-pee?
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: JakeStyle on September 12, 2015, 09:13:19 AM
It's too bad nadin is blocked from the black forum, she probably has great wisdom to impart on this topic since she spends so much time on the street talking to the downtrodden.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: DUmpsterDiver on September 12, 2015, 09:14:20 AM
DJ missus keeps trying to spin that $hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh9LGytJOHk
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: SVPete on September 12, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
Mrs. Corpio is white-knighting Brainiak. When will the KKKlams  whack his pee-pee?

Can't resist, not trying to ... they can't find it!
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: BannedFromDU on September 12, 2015, 09:38:24 AM
     There is a first draft of the letter. It was sent to me by unknown sources. I'm not sure if it reveals anything new, but here it is. See what you guys think:


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    bravenak, Ma'am:

    We grew tired of your race baiting bullshit
    against the only candidate that cares
    about the plight of minorities and the 99%.

    You, ma'am, and your ****ing "I really like Bernie"
    bullshit. So you got 4 hides in one day, ma'am. You
    deserved more, ma'am,

    When you come off your suspension in 24 business hours, ma'am, you keep
    running your ****ing mouth, guarantee you're
    going to get alerted on and suspended again, ma'am.
    We'll make a point of it, ma'am. There's a hell of a lot
    more of us than there is of you. So I suggest, ma'am,
    you dial it back a whole ****ing bunch.

    Bank it.
    GO BERNIE!!!

    Mr. Citizen
    DU Member



     I think it's someone pretending to be Will Pitt. Not sure who, though.

     
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: JakeStyle on September 12, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
WillPitt would have threatened to grind her under his boot heel and feed the scraps to his cat. That's what he did to the nice homeless lady that later disappeared.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Karin on September 12, 2015, 11:06:41 AM
Proof that BFDU didn't write it:  Nowhere does it say "go and eat a bag of dicks."

Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 12, 2015, 11:16:33 AM
It's too bad nadin is blocked from the black forum, ...
Wait, what?

How can that forum exist without leadership?
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: JakeStyle on September 12, 2015, 12:12:45 PM
Wait, what?

How can that forum exist without leadership?

She was shitcanned, the Hilary! folks don't want her skeevy ass either.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 12, 2015, 12:17:06 PM
Proof that BFDU didn't write it:  Nowhere does it say "go and eat a bag of dicks."

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

H5!
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: jb2u11 on September 12, 2015, 12:53:47 PM

Glassunion (8,042 posts)

55. Some demographics.
 About 25% of Americans surveyed admitted to being a troll on the Internet.

Of those trolling opinion or facts Males compromise 30% and Females 18%.


 Wonder what the other 52% are?
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Mr Mannn on September 12, 2015, 01:01:09 PM
Nadin was blocked in the AA forum?!!!  :rotf: :rotf:
I guess the AA's didn't like being talked down to by a liberal white supremacist who was blacker than they will ever be.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: JakeStyle on September 12, 2015, 01:13:56 PM
She was given the boot a couple weeks ago, that's what started all of her crying about being called a white supremacist.

This was aimed at nadin from one of the bravenak threads

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #148)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:05 PM

1StrongBlackMan (23,183 posts)
159. I would like to say "No"; but ...

But after reading the DU posts since BLM:Seattle, I'm not so sure.

I mean really when a (Bernie supporting) DUER that posts close to 100 posts alleging, angrily, that she "experienced" being called a racist and a white supremacist, (which didn't happen), and is being "silenced" ... and a couple dozen posts in support of her "defending" herself from said "experienced" attack, despite her own links disproving her claim?

I am not so sure it didn't come from a DU:Bernie.

It seems that 1goofyblackman is pointing the finger at nadin? Note that he is on a time-out now too.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: BannedFromDU on September 12, 2015, 03:32:32 PM
Proof that BFDU didn't write it:  Nowhere does it say "go and eat a bag of dicks."


     I wasn't aware that I had a signature phrase, but I will certainly lay claim to that one, ^5.

     Which reminds me: lurking DUmmies, eat a bag of dicks.

     And if that sounds offensive to you, based on which part of the country you're in: eat a sack of dicks.

Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: obumazombie on September 12, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
Proof I didn't write it...Serena Williams is the best athlete in the world.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: BannedFromDU on September 12, 2015, 04:01:11 PM
Proof I didn't write it...Serena Williams is the best athlete in the world.



     As well as one of the richest. A regular Sheboon Pickens.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Mr Mannn on September 12, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
She was given the boot a couple weeks ago, that's what started all of her crying about being called a white supremacist.

This was aimed at nadin from one of the bravenak threads

It seems that 1goofyblackman is pointing the finger at nadin? Note that he is on a time-out now too.

That's right...it really IS all about nadin...
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Mr Mannn on September 12, 2015, 04:23:34 PM
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Number23 (19,790 posts)
15. Skinner has made it abundantly clear that all of this is in our heads.

That alert stalking isn't real, everything is aweeeeesoooooomee!! (to quote the Lego Movie here) and that if AA members are getting hides for saying things like "Sanders supporter and idiot are not mutually exclusive" (or whatever 1SBM said verbatim) then we just need to watch our mouths and be good boys and girls and allow these good white folks to think for us the way they obviously feel that they should. Then "they" will like us and stop trying to run us off this web site.

Your analysis is interesting to me, particularly the bits where you mention that 1) bravenak's biggest crime to whoever wrote that letter was that she was a black woman who dared to question Bernie Sanders and his commitment and plans for certain issues and 2) that the only black voices that are welcome here are the ones that are in firm alignment with the (majority white) masses. Of course, this is not anything that anyone didn't already know but it still bears repeating, particularly when you consider that there are very, very few poc of color on DU and those of us who are non-committed, support other candidates or not quite ready for whatever reason to anoint Bernard Sanders the Patron Saint of Colored Folks seem to very clearly outnumber those who are.

So this is all a very clear attempt to lessen our voices and potency on this web site. Why anyone thinks that DU matters that much or would be worth 1/1000th this much trouble is simply beyond me. It is also simply beyond obvious that whoever wrote that letter was not black, doesn't give the first shit about black people, and considers us to be infants or imbeciles that need to be told what's good for us.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Carl on September 12, 2015, 04:31:07 PM
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It is also simply beyond obvious that whoever wrote that letter was not black, doesn't give the first shit about black people, and considers us to be infants or imbeciles that need to be told what's good for us.

You support democrats and this is suddenly a revelation to you?
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Chris_ on September 12, 2015, 04:38:26 PM
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It is also simply beyond obvious that whoever wrote that letter was not black, doesn't give the first shit about black people, and considers us to be infants or imbeciles that need to be told what's good for us.
This guy just described all of Democrat Underground and modern liberalism.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: DUmpsterDiver on September 12, 2015, 05:33:25 PM
OMfG Miss Corpio is really skitzo ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4hbJ5zh-SQ
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: freedumb2003b on September 12, 2015, 05:51:46 PM
Proof Sarge didn't write it: no warning against the ptarmigan ninjas stalking her.

Proof I didn't write it: no bib number or finisher's medal and too laconic.

Proof I didn't write it.  No clever invective and I could never write anything that long.  After a few lines I bore myself!
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 12, 2015, 05:59:04 PM
Proof I didn't write it.  No clever invective and I could never write anything that long.  After a few lines I bore myself!

Well now, I could have written it, based upon what's not in there.

So as to keep my moles (none of them currently active, as the primitives are doing a good job themselves, getting all upset and bent out of shape over silly things) safe, while on Skins's island, I never mention Clare Boothe Luce, Norway, bison, or the Sandhills of Nebraska, so as to stay blended in with the primitives.

All four of those are absent here, so.....
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 12, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Well now, I could have written it, based upon what's not in there.

So as to keep my moles (none of them currently active, as the primitives are doing a good job themselves, getting all upset and bent out of shape over silly things) safe, while on Skins's island, I never mention Clare Boothe Luce, Norway, bison, or the Sandhills of Nebraska, so as to stay blended in with the primitives.

All four of those are absent here, so.....

This would be a good time to cue the Peter Gunn theme, right? :whistling:
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: SVPete on September 13, 2015, 07:25:29 AM
This would be a good time to cue the Peter Gunn theme, right? :whistling:

You asked for it!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oysMt8iL9UE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: I_B_Perky on September 13, 2015, 07:06:51 PM
I know who wrote "The Letter".

It was Skinner.  He needed a kerflunkle to get the dummies all in a tizzie so they will forget that Bernie is out polling Hillary.

Hey! It's as good a theory as anything the Dump has come up with. He has means, motive and opportunity. 
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: tanstaafl on September 14, 2015, 05:02:05 AM
I know who wrote "The Letter".

It was Skinner.  He needed a kerflunkle to get the dummies all in a tizzie so they will forget that Bernie is out polling Hillary.

Hey! It's as good a theory as anything the Dump has come up with. He has means, motive and opportunity.

Not to mention that the Skins also has all of the personal data that the StoopiD progs plopped on the floor.

I think you're on to sumthin', I_B_P
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: FiddyBeowulf on September 14, 2015, 07:24:42 AM
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The first question that you have to ask is, why did the writer take the time to address Bravenak by her user name, especially since he knows her IRL name and even wrote that on the envelope?
Because bravenak did not want the rest of the internets to know what is her IRL name. Otherwise, if she did not send it to herself why would the sender use her IRL name on the envelope and her DU name in the letter.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Duke Nukum on September 14, 2015, 12:18:02 PM
Have any of the Sherlock DUmps thought to look back at the threads that got bravenek her time out? That would be where I would start instead of a long boring analysis of a letter bravenek or Scorpio sent.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Skul on September 14, 2015, 12:57:01 PM
This would be a good time to cue the Peter Gunn theme, right? :whistling:
Interesting that you mention that.
There's a small tavern in Minnesota where I bought my first beer (10yo).
the owner was a guy named Peter Gunn. I used to play with his son....Tommy.
This was about 60 years ago.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 14, 2015, 01:38:30 PM
Pineapple head solved the mystery right off the bat, but was too stupid to realize it.

He observed:
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The first question that you have to ask is, why did the writer take the time to address Bravenak by her user name, especially since he knows her IRL name and even wrote that on the envelope?

Since the purpose of writing the letter was to post a copy at the DUmp, it couldn't include DUmmy Bravenak's real name, since that would put those pricks at CC on her trail.

But the writer had to know her real name to send a letter. The only person who would care about concealing DUmmy Bravenak's name would be DUmmy Bravenak herself.

The only logical answer is that DUmmy Tawana Bravenak sent the letter to herself.

So Pineapple head had the answer before poor addled grasswipe Judy Smith got off the Trailways bus.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 14, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
an open letter to MrScorpio

Hey dude.  Sir.

Yeah, you with the funny-shaped head there.

We need to talk, dude.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/misc/mrsc_zpsilaguotq.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/misc/mrsc_zpsilaguotq.jpg.html)

You know, I don’t think either you or bravenak is smart enough to have written and sent that letter to her; it appears too carefully crafted and carried out to have been done by someone with an IQ less than Einstein’s.

And you on the other hand, dude, don’t think it could’ve been anybody from here—the DUmpster on conservativecave, the Best/Worst of DU on conservativeunderground, the most-excellent DUmmie Funnies on freerepublic, or by the friends of Steve Dawes—as ostensibly we’re not smart enough to pull off such a thing ourselves.

I think you’re making a mistake, dude, in writing off such a big slate of potential culprits, but that’s the way you think—that people you don’t like are stupider than you are—and as God knows, dude, I can’t do a damned thing about unpetrifying, unfossilizing, your cerebral resources.

- - - - - - - - - -

So…..by mutual agreement, we’ve written off you, dude, and bravenak, and everybody on this side of the aisle, leaving only primitives.

But which one?

I think it’d be good for you to check into Skippy, the former NYC_SKP primitive; it’s true he’s no longer on Skins’s island, but that doesn’t mean he’s not out there, creating mischief.

And Skippy, besides having the cerebral resources to do such a thing—unlike you and me, dude, the guy can actually build a nuclear bomb from scratch—certainly has a motive to wreak havoc and confusion on Skins’s island.

As you might, or might not, recall, dude, Skippy was justly expelled from Skins’s island for pretending to know more about what’s good for the Democrat party, than professional Democrats do. 

The guy didn’t know his place,

Since then, he’s been sulking in the shadows, lusting for a chance to “get back” at Skins and the professional Democrats.

And what better way, than by creating dissension and disorder on Skins’s island?

- - - - - - - - - -

And Skippy’s good pal Big Mo, the mopinko primitive, has been absent from Skins’s island for a while, suggesting the two of them are tete-a-teting somewhere.

You might insist, dude, that Skippy lives in an affluent nearly-all-white area of California, and the letter was mailed to bravenak from St. Peterburg, Florida, way across the country.

That doesn’t mean shit, dude, if one remembers something.  Skippy’s in one of these plum desk-sitting governmental bureaucratic jobs where one gets to travel around…..first class, and on the taxpayers’ dime.

I have no doubt he even managed to sneak the cost of the postage stamp onto his no-limits expense account.

You need to look at Skippy, dude.

And of course it all goes without saying, the fate of primitives who don’t heed what franksolich says.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 15, 2015, 03:43:42 AM
a second open letter to MrScorpio

MrScorpio, dude, you don’t appear to be making any progress at solving the identity of the miscreant who mailed that malicious letter to your pal bravenak.

I think part of your problem is that you’re not considering all the possibilities, and so we gotta talk again, dude.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/misc/fsms_zpsggrqjfa4.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/misc/fsms_zpsggrqjfa4.jpg.html)

Besides Skippy, the now-banished NYC_SKP primitive, I remembered there’s another former primitive out there with a grudge, a serious grudge, against Skins, and even though he’s not on Skin’s island any more, that doesn’t mean he can’t wreak havoc from the outside.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/TTT/taverner-1_zpsm3aix7br.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/TTT/taverner-1_zpsm3aix7br.jpg.html)

He doesn’t need any identification; both you and I know him.

You know, dude, phrenology is an undervalued, underused, technique in resolving criminal matters, although I have no idea why.  Applying phrenology here would seem eminently helpful; please notice the criminality so obviously blatant in this former primitive’s skull, head, and face.  One would have to be blind to not see that this primitive is likely to cause a great deal of trouble any way he can.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: txradioguy on September 15, 2015, 06:05:31 AM
Mrs Corpio has now removed all doubt that he was a co-conspirator in this whole kerfuffle

Beat me to it.

I was thinking while I read that...that it was a lame attempt by Scorpio X to throw everyone off his trail as being the author of that fraud letter.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: txradioguy on September 15, 2015, 06:10:34 AM
Have any of the Sherlock DUmps thought to look back at the threads that got bravenek her time out? That would be where I would start instead of a long boring analysis of a letter bravenek or Scorpio sent.

I'm guessing the Mods know.  Probably one person that alerted and did it in a rather angry way on the threads that got bravenek her hides.

But $kimmer will never reveal who it was for fear of it causing a Baltimore sized riot at the DUmp.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 15, 2015, 06:11:34 AM
Beat me to it.

I was thinking while I read that...that it was a lame attempt by Scorpio X to throw everyone off his trail as being the author of that fraud letter.

Oh now, that's a strategy that's beyond the cerebral capabilities of MrsCorpio to devise, much less carry out.

One has to remember we're not exactly dealing with a brain surgeon here.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 15, 2015, 10:56:03 AM
I'm guessing the Mods know.  Probably one person that alerted and did it in a rather angry way on the threads that got bravenek her hides.

But $kimmer will never reveal who it was for fear of it causing a Baltimore sized riot at the DUmp.

Maybe someone who'd write something this angry?

Quote
I think you ****ers should be forced to dig his grave. I think you should be buried with him.

I am going to make you famous in all the worst kinds of ways. I know your names, I know your addresses, I know your IP numbers, I have screen shots and copies of every vile statement and threat you ever made. I know everything I need to know. Get ready for the ram.

I am going to grind you under my bootheel, scrape you off with a blade, and feed you to my cat.

Those on the list know who they are. Bad days are ahead for them. I promise.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Skul on September 15, 2015, 11:15:59 AM
I sure miss the DrUnkard.
I wish him and his worthless mommy Ill will.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: 67 Rover on September 15, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
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I think you ****ers should be forced to dig his grave. I think you should be buried with him.

I am going to make you famous in all the worst kinds of ways. I know your names, I know your addresses, I know your IP numbers, I have screen shots and copies of every vile statement and threat you ever made. I know everything I need to know. Get ready for the ram.

I am going to grind you under my bootheel, scrape you off with a blade, and feed you to my cat.

Those on the list know who they are. Bad days are ahead for them. I promise.


Hmmm I did hit my shin on the trailer hitch this past weekend, was that the payback because it hurt like hell.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: obumazombie on September 15, 2015, 07:36:50 PM
This Bravenak scam is a pittance compared to the scam that rocked the internet...Scamdy.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 15, 2015, 09:20:11 PM
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He doesn’t need any identification; both you and I know him.

That photo really struck me with the feeling of how impoverished the DUmp is today, and what a great source of entertainment it once was.

Just a few short years ago, we'd have Tav, Pam, Pitt, UGP, rsmithnumbers, stevenumbers, nadin, poor stupid Beth, TiT, ThomWV,  benburch, Deadstone, and too many others to list, all posting at the same time, in their prime.

Some were just abysmally stupid, others weirdly perverted, still others certifiably insane, but all were funny as hell.

Now it's just nutcase nadin and a collection of faceless far left fringe lunatics.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: BannedFromDU on September 16, 2015, 02:05:47 PM
That photo really struck me with the feeling of how impoverished the DUmp is today, and what a great source of entertainment it once was.

Just a few short years ago, we'd have Tav, Pam, Pitt, UGP, rsmithnumbers, stevenumbers, nadin, poor stupid Beth, TiT, ThomWV,  benburch, Deadstone, and too many others to list, all posting at the same time, in their prime.

Some were just abysmally stupid, others weirdly perverted, still others certifiably insane, but all were funny as hell.

Now it's just nutcase nadin and a collection of faceless far left fringe lunatics.



Alas you are correct. It used to be much funnier and varied. Now it's nads and the.race mafia and that's it. Sad. Come back, TiT. We'll give you another Navy Cross.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: FlippyDoo on September 16, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
That photo really struck me with the feeling of how impoverished the DUmp is today, and what a great source of entertainment it once was.

Just a few short years ago, we'd have Tav, Pam, Pitt, UGP, rsmithnumbers, stevenumbers, nadin, poor stupid Beth, TiT, ThomWV,  benburch, Deadstone, and too many others to list, all posting at the same time, in their prime.

Some were just abysmally stupid, others weirdly perverted, still others certifiably insane, but all were funny as hell.

Now it's just nutcase nadin and a collection of faceless far left fringe lunatics.


She really is carrying the entertainment weight of DU on her shoulders. Bet that rock climbing and fencing helps.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 16, 2015, 06:14:09 PM
a third open letter to MrScorpio

Hey dude, I’ve been waiting, and you haven’t come up with any ideas, about who sent that letter to your fellow primitive bravenak.

It looks to me as if I’ve been doing all the work, detectivizing for the foul culprit, while you’ve just been sitting on your ass. 

All you primitives are alike; over the Labor Day holiday, there was a primitive woman here who insisted upon enjoying the carnal pleasures, which we did, but franksolich ended up doing all the work while she lazily lay around like, well, like a primitive femme.

But I suppose since ich dien is my motto, “I serve,” I remained philosophical about it, and at least in that case though, dude, I got something out of it; fulfillment of my urgent male needs.

I ain’t getting nothing out of helping you solve this case, dude.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/misc/msfs_zpspfubxsxm.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/misc/msfs_zpspfubxsxm.jpg.html)

But whatever; I’m just as interested in solving this crime as you are, dude, and so I’ll keep plodding along with, or without, your help.

A third possible culprit, to be considered with the likely suspects Skippy, the former NYC_SKP primitive, and the former Taverner primitive, popped up in the mind earlier today; like the other two, this one also has a grudge against Skins, and a past record of exacting vengeance from those he believed did him wrong, whether they did him wrong or not.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/BBB/fat-che_zpsatnkj3sj.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/BBB/fat-che_zpsatnkj3sj.jpg.html)

He’s also got the smarts to pull off something like this; he’s not as smart as Skippy, but he is mountains smarter than Taverner.  Give him some thought, dude; I think we’re getting closer.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 16, 2015, 07:21:40 PM
It's a tough job solving the crime of threatening an "alert" on a message board for lunatics.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: obumazombie on September 16, 2015, 07:31:11 PM
This thread needs a theme song...


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nllSQP4ADk[/youtube]

...Breakdown, Shakedown, you're busted  !!!
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: DUmpsterDiver on September 16, 2015, 07:35:57 PM
They forgot about the Hogs, where many disappear . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDcmDQuNx_Y
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 17, 2015, 04:03:05 AM
a fourth open letter to O'Dorkio

Hey dude, you’re starting to tick me off.

Don’t forget that we’re in this together, this bloody war against internet terrorism; franksolich has just as much an interest in solving this crime against bravenak, against Humanity, as you do, dude, and the more we cooperate in trying to find the culprit, the sooner it’ll be over.

So…..cut your “freepers are stupid” jokes, and get busy working with franksolich to identify the miscreant, and to liberate bravenak from her fears.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/misc/4th_zpsbjuejh89.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/misc/4th_zpsbjuejh89.jpg.html)

Accepting your stance that this was an inside job on Skins’s island—I disagree with it, but for the sake of getting along, I’ll go along with it—thus far I’ve pointed out Skippy, the former NYC_SKP primitive, the former Taverner primitive, and Fat Che, the former Ben Burch primitive.

They all have reasons for wishing to create disorder on Skins’s island, and the cerebral means to do so.

But nonetheless, it might, or might not, be one of them, and so one has to keep considering yet other primitives, such as this one.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/omaha%20steve/terminal-steve_zpsl4h3fgwf.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/omaha%20steve/terminal-steve_zpsl4h3fgwf.jpg.html)

Now, admittedly, the big guy makes a dead fish look intelligent, but there’s such a thing as “dumb luck,” where by random chance and accident, one “wins” despite the odds.

As far as I know, this primitive doesn’t have anything against Skins, but it’s probable he has a personal grudge against bravenak, because he’s terminal, doomed to die within the next twenty or thirty years, and with her own issues, she’s distracting from his exit.

I’d put him up there pretty high on the list of suspects.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 17, 2015, 04:37:07 PM
a FIFTH open letter to the O'Dorko primitive

Hey dude, another day gone by, and you didn’t do a damned thing.

Inbetweentimes, your fellow primitive bravenak, terrified, trembling in cold, sweaty fear, has been huddling in a corner in the darkness, behind a tripled-bolted door, apprehensive that some malicious Bernie primitive is seeking to do her harm.

And all you’re doing is sitting around Skins’s island telling the other primitives what a great guy MrsCorpio is, how MrsCorpio is smarter than anybody in the whole world including nadin, how MrsCorpio has more charm and sex appeal than anybody else including Skins, how MrsCorpio is the only one who can find the identity of the felon who threatened bravenak.

You ain’t shit, dude, until you’ve done something, and you ain’t done nothing.

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/misc/fs_zpsatt8tmhi.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/misc/fs_zpsatt8tmhi.jpg.html)

Think of how embarrassing it would be, dude, if after this nightmare’s over, bravenak would have to admit to the whole world it wasn’t a fellow primitive, it wasn’t a fellow African-American, it wasn’t MrsCorpio, who solved the mystery and saved her ass; that it was a lousy “freeper” who’d been her white knight.

Think of how that would play on Skins’s island, you lazy loudmouth.

In the meantime, franksolich has been diligently researching a fifth possible culprit, this one:

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/BBB/jugs%202_zpsjbidlp4v.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/BBB/jugs%202_zpsjbidlp4v.jpg.html)

Again, we have a case of a suspect who has a motive…..and as it happens, a double one, the first against Skins, who displeases her because he’s a man, and the second against bravenak, who upsets her by arguing that black issues are more important than sex issues.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 17, 2015, 06:53:17 PM
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And all you’re doing is sitting around Skins’s island telling the other primitives what a great guy MrsCorpio is, how MrsCorpio is smarter than anybody in the whole world including nadin, how MrsCorpio has more charm and sex appeal than anybody else including Skins

He's their Trump!!
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: USA4ME on September 17, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
frank, don't forget about Fat Che's Little Brother. There's someone with a Skin's island size chip on his shoulder, and a gerbil up his butt.

.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Mr Mannn on September 17, 2015, 09:55:04 PM

In the meantime, franksolich has been diligently researching a fifth possible culprit, this one:

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad335/photoatcc/BBB/jugs%202_zpsjbidlp4v.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/photoatcc/media/BBB/jugs%202_zpsjbidlp4v.jpg.html)
Um...Frank. That's a Fifth and a Sixth culprit right there
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: SVPete on September 18, 2015, 06:34:22 AM
This thread needs a theme song...


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nllSQP4ADk[/youtube]

...Breakdown, Shakedown, you're busted  !!!

Not something by Napoleon XIV?
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: franksolich on September 18, 2015, 07:36:55 PM
I give up.

Despite all his big talk and braggadaccio, Lamond hasn't done a damned thing, and since the bravenak primitive's one of his, and not one of mine, franksolich isn't really obligated to help find the culprit who wrote that letter. 

I was trying to help bravenak simply because I'm a nice guy, nothing more than that.

But not being a primitive, I couldn't do it myself.  Lamond, being a primitive and hence an insider, has an advantage in that respect, but on the other hand, Lamond isn't what one might call cerebrally endowed, and needs help himself, to get the identity discovered.

In the meantime, in a situation analogous with the valiant British defenders of Lucknow during the Sepoy Mutiny in 1857, the besieged and outnumbered bravenak cowers in the darkness of her triple-locked apartment in Anchorage, Alaska, fearful of the Bernie primitives seeking to exact vengeance--and worse--on her.

Just as they were about to give up, out of food, ammunition, and manpower, the weak, tired, dwindling British one morning heard the faraway strains of the bagpiped "The Campbells Are Coming" and were fortuitously saved.

Unfortunately for the hapless bravenak though, MrsCorpio isn't coming.....
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: dutch508 on September 18, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
Our new friend hasn't commented about this yet, has he?

Caveman dude..., what do you think of Mrs. Corpio's analysis?
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: obumazombie on September 18, 2015, 10:43:02 PM
Our new friend hasn't commented about this yet, has he?

Caveman dude..., what do you think of Mrs. Corpio's analysis?
It might be a cold day before you get an answer to that question.
And that day is far away according to the libs and their great glow bull warming swindle.
Title: Re: Mrs Sherlock Corpio... The Breakdown!
Post by: Chris_ on September 18, 2015, 10:44:35 PM
It might be a cold day before you get an answer to that question.
And that day is far away according to the libs and their great glow bull warming swindle.
It has devolved to base name-calling.  I'm not holding out for anything else.