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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on August 26, 2015, 08:53:53 PM
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marym625 (14,719 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027111500
I don't care what anyone thinks about their right to own guns
These things suck. There is absolutely no reason or excuse to have so many guns. For every ****ing lunatic in the US to own a gun. The second amendment was never made to justify the current frenzy.
**** the NRA. **** the 2nd amendment. **** this lunacy. I'm sick of watching people die.
My heartfelt sympathy to the family and friends of Alison Parker and Adam Ward.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/virginia-shooting-wdbj/
According to the DUmmies people have a right to just about everything except those rights listed in the Constitution.
LonePirate (2,309 posts)
1. I think we are fast approaching the day when people start publicly advocating for a repeal of the 2A
Granted, it will be a long journey filled with plenty of setbacks and protests from the gun crowd; but it will happen. We have reached a point where we need to say enough is enough and start dealing with the primary enabler of this gun violence epidemic. Maybe Elizabeth Warren will step up and start this movement.
huhu (5 posts)
136. exactly!
As soon as the us disarms its nukes and scales back its military budget in order to promote something a little more civil than the constant war mongering which has been the tune since i was able to vote- ill be happy to see a peaceful society.
until then you might as well stick your head in the sand.
i would love to see the day, but so far as i can tell delusion never served anyone well, for very long.
America pulls back the world turned into a bloodbath.
LonePirate (2,309 posts)
22. Repeal opens the door to future actions.
Putting gunmakers out of business, prohibiting gun possession and changing American culture to devalue guns and remove them from existence are the next steps. None of this is going to happen immediately but they can happen once we start advocating for them as our society slowly changes to abhor guns and the violence associated with them.
Gun ownership rates have been dropping for years. This is unlikely to change. Much like Republicans, the number of gun owners faces a demographic reduction which we on the left need to use to our advantage.
flamin lib (6,770 posts)
10. There are lots of guns but few gun owners. Only 32% of households have guns.
The ones that do have lots of guns. Of that 32% I think only a very small group is batshit crazy nutz and they are the NRA that buys legislators like they were a mark down item at Macys.
We can, and will, make a difference someday. Look at what's happening now, three Democratic Presidential candidates all talking about gun control. When did that happen last?
former9thward (15,466 posts)
49. Most people I know own guns.
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The 32% is nonsense. When I lived in Chicago handguns were illegal but everyone had one. Since it was illegal no one would admit it except to friends.
82. It's racism that brought gun numbers up
It's not those of us who look for sane gun laws. It's gun nuts who cling to guns when they "think" their precious guns are going to be taken away that bring up gun numbers. It's the stupid of America that need to own guns. Let's hope some day we will be able to walk the streets without gun nuts lurking around to save the day, or shoot innocent people in the process of being a "Hero".
**** guns.
I am sure that every single murder in Chicago, Detroit, and Philadelphia was committed with a legally purchased gun. ::)
jberryhill (39,084 posts)
128. We never should have elected a black guy
You're right.
Electing a black guy scared the bejeebers out of white people, many of whom ran out and bought guns.
:thatsright:
200+ posts...
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**** the NRA. **** the 2nd amendment. **** this lunacy. I'm sick of watching people die.
**** the 19th amendment.
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Electing a pseudo communist scared the hell out of normal Americans.
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Good luck with that repeal, DUmmies. :stoner:
The way Obama has gone about denying laws will not work in this case. Obama chooses to get around that which he considers problems by refusing to enforce existing law. The only thing that tactic would do is make it easier to legally purchase firearms.
So, yeah. you are going to have to do it the hard way. Sorry.
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So predictable. :mental:
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So predictable. :mental:
Completely.
The 32% is nonsense.
Uh, yeah. Big time.
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only four ****s were given for the gay black killer.
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jberryhill (39,084 posts)
128. We never should have elected a black guy
You're right.
Electing a black guy scared the bejeebers out of white people, many of whom ran out and bought guns.
Every mother effing thing is racism to these lunatics. They are the main reason that there is a race problem in this country. It all goes to show just how naive I can sometimes be. I don't think I've admitted this to anyone before, but I'm going to do it now.
When the pretender in chief won the election I was admittedly disappointed, but I saw a bright spot. The people of America had just elected a minority to the highest office in the land. Despite my political differences with the man I figured this election had a bright spot in that it would finally lay to rest the dying embers of racism in America, but instead the racist liberals fanned those embers into a raging inferno that would send a tingle down nadin's leg. Or in Spinal Tap terms, they turned the racism amp to eleven.
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This morn I see this from Obama “What we know is that the number of people who die from gun-related incidents around this country dwarfs any deaths that happen through terrorism,†he said. I guess that could ring true in DU but damn it would take a lot of stupid!
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So predictable. :mental:
Allow me to cite a variation of a favorite parable of mine:
A DUmmy was walking along the bank of a river, wondering how to get to the other side. Suddenly, he saw a regular person. He asked the regular person to take him on his back across the river. The regular person said, "No. You smell like the garbage disposal on the death star, and besides, if I do that you'll you'll try to rob me as we cross, and beat me up because of my white privilege, and we'll both drown".
The DUmmy assured him, "If I do that, we'll both drown."
The regular person thought about it and finally agreed. So the DUmmy climbed up on his back, and the regular person began to swim. But halfway across the river, the DUmmy took his wallet. Then he began to beat the regular person in a racist rage. The regular person turned to the DUmmy and said, "Why did you do that? Now you'll drown, too."
"I couldn't help it," said the DUmmy. "It's my nature."
:lmao:
CMD
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LonePirate (2,309 posts)
22. Repeal opens the door to future actions.
Putting gunmakers out of business, prohibiting gun possession and changing American culture to devalue guns and remove them from existence are the next steps. None of this is going to happen immediately but they can happen once we start advocating for them as our society slowly changes to abhor guns and the violence associated with them.
Gun ownership rates have been dropping for years. This is unlikely to change. Much like Republicans, the number of gun owners faces a demographic reduction which we on the left need to use to our advantage.
Huh?? Gun ownership is at an all time high, and gun violence is at an all time low.
Dummies literally make shit up, and pass it off as fact.
Also, since Dummies like bouncies, here's a truthful anecdote from a conservative.
I grew up in a house that never really talked about guns. Although my dad owned one, we never went shooting, and never really showed an interest in guns.
My brother now owns four guns, and I plan to purchase a few in the near future.
Yup gun ownership isn't declining. Sorry guys.
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The DUmmies are merely repeating what the President is saying. No remorse for the families...no condolences...just a cold emotionless call for repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
I was appalled when I heard his reaction to the shooting.
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The DUmmies are merely repeating what the President is saying. No remorse for the families...no condolences...just a cold emotionless call for repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
I was appalled when I heard his reaction to the shooting.
And those cries happened before the bodies were cold.
Liberals disgust me.
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And those cries happened before the bodies were cold.
Liberals disgust me.
Tsaritsa CHILL used their deaths for a campaign talking point.
But Libs & Progs have to turn the conversation to gun control. The alternative is to discuss the rampant victimhood paranoia among blacks and homosexuals, and that prospect is horrifying to Libs & Progs!
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Allow me to cite a variation of a favorite parable of mine:
A DUmmy was walking along the bank of a river, wondering how to get to the other side. Suddenly, he saw a regular person. He asked the regular person to take him on his back across the river. The regular person said, "No. You smell like the garbage disposal on the death star, and besides, if I do that you'll you'll try to rob me as we cross, and beat me up because of my white privilege, and we'll both drown".
The DUmmy assured him, "If I do that, we'll both drown."
The regular person thought about it and finally agreed. So the DUmmy climbed up on his back, and the regular person began to swim. But halfway across the river, the DUmmy took his wallet. Then he began to beat the regular person in a racist rage. The regular person turned to the DUmmy and said, "Why did you do that? Now you'll drown, too."
"I couldn't help it," said the DUmmy. "It's my nature."
:lmao:
CMD
That is a great retelling. Consider it stolen!
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So, the gay black guy killed the white news team because he was afraid of a black man as POTUS?
Was he taking out his rage on the white people who he suspected voted for Obama?
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There's that lonepirate nut again. He's so wrong about everything but is so convinced he's right. Whenever the democrats start screaming about gun control (and even going so far as amendment repeal), two things happen. Gun sales soar and Republicans get elected.
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There's that lonepirate nut again. He's so wrong about everything but is so convinced he's right. Whenever the democrats start screaming about gun control (and even going so far as amendment repeal), two things happen. Gun sales soar and Republicans get elected.
Actually, he was "right" about one thing. The goals of the gun-grabbers is to disarm law-abiding Americans and put gun manufacturers out of business. They imagine this will usher in some sort of :stoner: golden age utopia :stoner: where violence no longer occurs. :stoner: And they have no :stoner: "Plan B" :stoner: for when their utopian scheme comes to its :stoner: predictable-by-anyone-sober disastrous conclusion. :stoner:
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Actually, he was "right" about one thing. The goals of the gun-grabbers is to disarm law-abiding Americans and put gun manufacturers out of business. They imagine this will usher in some sort of :stoner: golden age utopia :stoner: where violence no longer occurs. :stoner: And they have no :stoner: "Plan B" :stoner: for when their utopian scheme comes to its :stoner: predictable-by-anyone-sober disastrous conclusion. :stoner:
Yes, because golden age gun free utopias are such wonderful places. Germany, Russia, Cambodia, China, Somalia, Mexico and countless other countries whose dictators who ran such utopias would be in full agreement.
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LonePirate (2,309 posts)
1. I think we are fast approaching the day when people start publicly advocating for a repeal of the 2A
Granted, it will be a long journey filled with plenty of setbacks and protests from the gun crowd; but it will happen. We have reached a point where we need to say enough is enough and start dealing with the primary enabler of this gun violence epidemic. Maybe Elizabeth Warren will step up and start this movement.
After hitlary drops out, I really hope Warren is the nominee and I hope she shouts gun control and repeal of the 2A from the rooftops as one of her main policy positions. We'd see a landslide bigger than Reagan with Dems reduced to minority status for quite a while.
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After hitlary drops out, I really hope Warren is the nominee and I hope she shouts gun control and repeal of the 2A from the rooftops as one of her main policy positions. We'd see a landslide bigger than Reagan with Dems reduced to minority status for quite a while.
I think Biden will get the nod. He'll stick his feet (yes, both of them) in his mouth on guns, citing several disproved studies along the way, and we'll have a Republican as President, because Biden will have to defend Obama's legacy on so many things. Whether or not that Republicam is a Conservative depends on us, and other Conservatives.
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I think Biden will get the nod. He'll stick his feet (yes, both of them) in his mouth on guns, citing several disproved studies along the way, and we'll have a Republican as President, because Biden will have to defend Obama's legacy on so many things. Whether or not that Republicam is a Conservative depends on us, and other Conservatives.
Without a doubt the perpetual gaffe machine will get the nod. However, never underestimate the voting power of stupid people in very large numbers. (many of whom will vote at least twice).
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Without a doubt the perpetual gaffe machine will get the nod. However, never underestimate the voting power of stupid people in very large numbers. (many of whom will vote at least twice).
The problem with that premise is this--blacks haven't done well in the Age of Obama, and a lot of them know it. They won't say anything because he's still President. They will when any other race other than a (half) black man runs. A fair amount of them may just stay home that day, no matter what they say that they're going to do. Watch the voter enthusiasm numbers.
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The problem with that premise is this--blacks haven't done well in the Age of Obama, and a lot of them know it. They won't say anything because he's still President. They will when any other race other than a (half) black man runs. A fair amount of them may just stay home that day, no matter what they say that they're going to do. Watch the voter enthusiasm numbers.
the half-white won't be running again, and with no woman, where's the incentive? Enter Warren (as VP maybe) to stir them up. I don't understand why blacks continue to vote for a political party that does nothing for them since the dems know they have the vote locked up.
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I think Biden will get the nod. He'll stick his feet (yes, both of them) in his mouth on guns, citing several disproved studies along the way, and we'll have a Republican as President, because Biden will have to defend Obama's legacy on so many things. Whether or not that Republicam is a Conservative depends on us, and other Conservatives.
I'm not so sure. She (I use the term loosely) knows many if not most of bathhouse barrys dirty little secrets. I suspect the quietly held meeting between bathhouse and creepy joe a few days ago, was to tell him in no uncertain terms "Don't even think about it". They may all be under the same party banner, but in the end, a clinton is on no ones side but their own, and bathhouse is well aware of that, as are the rest of the democrat party.
I suspect that they are stuck putting all their eggs in her basket, and are not at all happy about it.
CMD
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I'm not so sure. She (I use the term loosely) knows many if not most of bathhouse barrys dirty little secrets. I suspect the quietly held meeting between bathhouse and creepy joe a few days ago, was to tell him in no uncertain terms "Don't even think about it". They may all be under the same party banner, but in the end, a clinton is on no ones side but their own, and bathhouse is well aware of that, as are the rest of the democrat party.
I suspect that they are stuck putting all their eggs in her basket, and are not at all happy about it.
CMD
If she knows most of Barry's secrets, when did she know? Why didn't she use that information in '08? Also, the real power 'behind the throne' is Valerie Jarrett, and she hates the Clintons. She and Barry want someone who they can control. They've had the Democrat Party since 2008, and they very well do not want to hand control back to the same people that they successfully wrested the party from back then. Ol' Slow Joe Biden fills the bill perfectly. Easily controlled, with the added bonus of probably only wanting one term, with Lizzie Borden Warren, Fauxahontas herself, warming up in the bullpen (as VP) to follow him.
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**** the 19th amendment.
Don't shoot so low. Screw the 1st Amendment and I want to be the one who decides what is OK speak and what is punishable speak.
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If she knows most of Barry's secrets, when did she know? Why didn't she use that information in '08? Also, the real power 'behind the throne' is Valerie Jarrett, and she hates the Clintons. She and Barry want someone who they can control. They've had the Democrat Party since 2008, and they very well do not want to hand control back to the same people that they successfully wrested the party from back then. Ol' Slow Joe Biden fills the bill perfectly. Easily controlled, with the added bonus of probably only wanting one term, with Lizzie Borden Warren, Fauxahontas herself, warming up in the bullpen (as VP) to follow him.
With Biden, I don't think its a matter of being easily controlled at all. I think its a matter of him being an individual whos cruise control is stuck on stupid, and they're all fine with it, because his stupid is more beneficial than harmful in the eyes of people unable to identify it as such - people who vote democrat. I think that qualifies him as 'somewhat useful' to the people wanting to maintain control, but not useful enough, or predictable enough, to be their next choice, even if cankles weren't running.
'When did she know' is a good question. Why not in 2008? Because there was a future in 2008. While the window was closing, it wasn't near closed yet. I think cankles calculated that bathhouse had a window that was closing faster than hers was, and so she calculated - never forget, everything is a calculation with the clintons - that there was no need to use anything she had then. Plus, that was before fast and furious, benghazi, IRS, etc. Its absolutely true that vj is the power behind the throne, likewise to the clinton hatred on her part. Also true is the fact that they do not want to hand back power.
The most important part of what you mentioned, though, works both ways. Its not necessarily easy to say when VJs hatred of the clintons became clear to cankles, but it is probably very safe to say that it became clear almost immediately, in terms of the bigger picture of years. So it can be safely assumed, I think, that cankles had had a number of years to prepare for this, knowing full well and somewhat personally, the people who might try and oppose her from the inside. And more importantly, the kind of people they are. She rubbed shoulders with those people daily. If theres anything that can be damaging to bathhouse or the rest of them you can be sure she has it, and will not hesitate to use it to threaten or coerce. The clintons are people around which there are piles of dead bodies, after all, including people that were supposedly their friends. Anything up to and including murder, can safely be considered a page in the clinton playbook.
What we have here, I think, is 'the chicago way' versus 'the clinton way'. If I were a betting man, my money would be on the chicago way to lose because it is as ineffective inwardly, as it is effective outwardly. And because the chicago way even as filthy dirty as it is, isn't clinton dirty.
It will be interesting to see what actually does happen.
CMD
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the half-white won't be running again, and with no woman, where's the incentive? Enter Warren (as VP maybe) to stir them up. I don't understand why blacks continue to vote for a political party that does nothing for them since the dems know they have the vote locked up.
Blame LBJ for that one. "We'll have those n*****s voting democrat for the next 200 years."