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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on August 26, 2015, 03:28:07 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027112282
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:36 PM
oberliner (30,963 posts)
Can the racial dimension of the shooting be discussed in a reasonable manner?
In the 23-page document faxed to ABC News, the writer says “MY NAME IS BRYCE WILLIAMS†and his legal name is Vester Lee Flanagan II.†He writes what triggered today’s carnage was his reaction to the racism of the Charleston church shooting:
“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…â€
“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339
He also allegedly tweeted the following:
“Alison made racial comments.â€
“EEOC report filed. They hired her after that?â€
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/wdbj-tv-news-shooter-faxed-23-page-manifesto-170257184.html
I mean it seems clear that the killer had serious mental issues, but it does seem that race played a role in his twisted logic, just like it did for Dylann Roof. Is it reasonable to examine and/or reflect on that?
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:42 PM
Glitterati (2,843 posts)
3. It's actually very simple - hate begets hate
When the standard bearer of any party is a man who says "sure, go ahead and hate them. I do, too."
end of discussion
Nice game of lets just make up shit and say it is true.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:44 PM
Ex Lurker (2,291 posts)
4. Unstable people react badly to external events
As far as the alleged racial comments by the victims, you can't take his claims at face value given his background. Unless there were witnesses, I'm putting that in the bullshit folder. And even if they did make the remarks, it's no excuse for killing them.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:46 PM
philosslayer (1,019 posts)
5. I see it more of a mental illness issue than a racial issue.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:48 PM
Star Member Starry Messenger (27,228 posts)
6. Bryce wasn't wearing flags from racist countries or posting on websites that promoted
Black separatism, was he? I think the guy was fired, had serious problems coping, and was fixated on his female ex-coworker and then confabulated some other stuff on top of that.
Trolls on Yahoo are trying to make this out like there are now going to be a rash of "Kill Whitey" slayings because of this one guy and what he said.
Dylann Roof was steeped in the the pathology of an existing system of white supremacy that has been lethal before, is lethal now, and will go on being lethal until deep structural issues are addressed in this country.
It is actually the crackas fault.
Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #6)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:05 PM
oberliner (30,963 posts)
16. Racism can manifest itself in different ways
I am quite certain there are many racists who don't wear flags from racist countries or post on such websites.
Response to oberliner (Reply #16)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:08 PM
blm (94,654 posts)
19. Big difference between someone BEING 'racist' and someone's mental health issues
being triggered by very real or perceived acts of racism.
Whitey done it.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:49 PM
Star Member Cali_Democrat (25,245 posts)
8. Well....
The PRIMARY motivation for Dylan Roof was race.
In this case, we don't know if race was the primary motivating factor.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #8)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:07 PM
GummyBearz (892 posts)
18. 'Bryce' stated he bought a gun in response to a racially motivated shootings, which was obviously a
non-racial decision. His choice to kill 2 white people with the gun he bought after Dylan Roof killed black people was not racial. Lets keep this repeating this. "Bryce" wasn't racist, he was responding to racism in a non-violent way. He just happened to kill two people in his non-racist-response-to-a-racist-act
:fuelfire:
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:54 PM
FLPanhandle (4,497 posts)
11. Of course there is racial dimension
Some conservatives tried to dismiss the racial dimension in the Dylann Roof case.
Some liberials will try to dismiss the racial dimension in this case.
Bottom line both were mentally unstable and racists. I don't care if that makes some conservatives uncomfortable or some liberals uncomfortable.
Too much sense for the DUmp.
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:59 PM
blm (94,654 posts)
13. VERY OBVIOUS that it is a mental health issue. No doubt the current talk of 'race war'
being perpetuated in RWnut land has fed into the man's already vulnerable condition.
I have a schizophrenic sister and all the talk from the RW nuts she surrounds herself with has her convinced that there really IS a 'war on Christians' going on. She has been found in churches screaming warnings and readying herself for these battles.
Hot rhetoric from all sides reaches volcanic levels in those with existing vulnerabilities in regard to their mental health issues. There just certainly seems to be far more of it from the RWers.
A bouncy too!
Response to oberliner (Original post)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:20 PM
Star Member Smarmie Doofus (13,103 posts)
30. Are you kidding? Here? n/t
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Response to oberliner (Reply #16)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:08 PM
blm (94,654 posts)
19. Big difference between someone BEING 'racist' and someone's mental health issues
being triggered by very real or perceived acts of racism.
Supposedly a member since 2002 and closing in on that 100K mark, but by a funny co-inky-dink has the initials of a movement that's been around for a year, tops. Of course it could have chosen its moniker as short for 'Big Lesbian Mofo' or something of the sort, way back 13 years ago.
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Glitterati (2,843 posts)
3. It's actually very simple - hate begets hate
When the standard bearer of any party is a man who says "sure, go ahead and hate them. I do, too."
end of discussion
Obama has pretty much done that and so has Sharpton, Farrakhan, and many leaders of the BLM movement.
Ex Lurker (2,291 posts)
4. Unstable people react badly to external events
As far as the alleged racial comments by the victims, you can't take his claims at face value given his background. Unless there were witnesses, I'm putting that in the bullshit folder. And even if they did make the remarks, it's no excuse for killing them.
That first part is why we often ask "what's his DU name?" when something like this happens.
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Snork - just wanted to grab this one before it was thrown into the bit bucket...
B2G (5,360 posts)
42. Not with any amount of objectivity.
He was gay and black. What do you think?
Nuclear Unicorn (16,768 posts)
49. Delete before the jury is empaneled.
No. If there is an alert it was not me.
Riigghhtt...
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I read he was fired. I also read that he complained the women were mean to him and he was bullied. Something tells me he was playing grab ass with the women, one complained and he was fired for sexual harassment.
Then we have the gay angle. Hmmm... maybe it was not the women he was playing grab ass with? Can't really see this for the simple reason most guys, myself included, would have knocked this alleged queer on his ass for grabbing theirs.
Only thing for sure is the complete story has not been told yet. Be interesting to see what comes out.
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Anybody seen 1SBM?
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I read he was fired. I also read that he complained the women were mean to him and he was bullied. Something tells me he was playing grab ass with the women, one complained and he was fired for sexual harassment.
Then we have the gay angle. Hmmm... maybe it was not the women he was playing grab ass with? Can't really see this for the simple reason most guys, myself included, would have knocked this alleged queer on his ass for grabbing theirs.
Only thing for sure is the complete story has not been told yet. Be interesting to see what comes out.
My experience from doing maybe a couple of hundred EEO cases is that people are just unable to see that they actually have shortcomings (For which I blame our culture of prizes all 'round and social promotions) and instead can only attribute the fact that something bad happened to the evil racism/sexism/bigotry of everyone else. Maybe one time in every twenty cases the complainant was actually cynically using the system to get something, like money or a promotion, though management thought that was the case every time (Kind of an inversion of the same blindness the complainants had, really). Maybe one time in twenty there actually was some level of racism/sexism/bigotry involved in whatever had happened to prompt the complaint. Eighteen times out of twenty, it was the complainant being insufficiently-skilled, lazy, or obnoxious/combative/attitude-challenged, but the complainant just mentally could not own his or her actual responsibility for the situation.
This turdball freak seems to have suffered from the same 'Can't be me, must be them' idiocy. From all reports, he was as much fun to work with as mercury fulminate in a nitroglycerin factory, but when his own combative and unpredictable a-hole behavior caught up with him, well, it must be because of 'Racism' that he was fired. The exploitive and divisive way Obama and Holder have handled every racial incident during their tenures has only poured gas on this particular flavor of immature thinking.
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USA today has this bit from his "manifesto"
In the rambling message, delivered by fax to ABC News two hours after the killings, Flanagan also said he had suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work, particularly for being a gay black man.
He also praised the mass killings of 32 people at Virginia Tech in 2007 and 13 people at Columbine High School in Colorado in 1999.
So, yeah.. This guy wasn't 'motivated' by the Dylan Roof thing. Roof was the 'excuse' used to do what he has been meaning to do for years. I hope he enjoys getting reamed by Satan with a cactus for eternity.
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Anybody seen 1SBM?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Now that there is funny... don't care who ya are!!!
H5 Sarge!
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Not queer,not black,not poor Rolex randy the watch Smith weighs in.
Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #6)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:05 PM
randys1 (9,048 posts)
74. The PATIENCE shown, time and time and time again, by the AfAm community
in the face of slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, and now all these killings by police.
The restraint shown in Ferguson, my god.
That kid Brown was executed for daring to give lip to a white cop, period.
Only one store burned to the ground?
Reverse all this and the white folk would have burned the entire country down a long time ago.
Uhm no.
Response to randys1 (Reply #74)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:24 PM
blm (94,669 posts)
84. And THAT truth is what makes some white people frightened. They know what THEY would do
if the roles were reversed.
Response to blm (Reply #84)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:26 PM
randys1 (9,048 posts)
85. Exactly, they realize just how ****ed up it actually is so denial and lying is
necessary.
Be careful around here though, confronting racists and homophobes and misogynists is risky business
Since your fake persona is trying to cover up all of those?
Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #48)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:09 PM
randys1 (9,048 posts)
77. wrong, Black people cant be racists in America, they can be racists where they control
everything and have all the power, not where they dont
I hope you die in a drive by.
Response to randys1 (Reply #77)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:13 PM
Nuclear Unicorn (16,774 posts)
80. Absolute unmitigated bullcrap
Go peddle your murder apologizing tripe somewhere else.
Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #80)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:14 PM
randys1 (9,048 posts)
81. My comment was murder apologizing? AT least you are consistent, from the day I arrived here
it took me almost no time at all to figure out exactly who you are.
But I am not the only one.
It is situations like this one, this story, that you LIVE for
BTW, you will notice I NEVER respond to you, you make disgusting comments all the time, but so I wont be banned I hold my tongue constantly, this time I could NOT
The panties are bunching.
Response to randys1 (Reply #81)
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:43 PM
Nuclear Unicorn (16,774 posts)
94. Bryce chose the motive for his crimes. You're trying to explain that away and
make his crimes appear as something they aren't. It's no different than someone attempting to claim Dylan Roof wasn't motivated by racism.
As for your complaint about my posts: Whatever. You make a great public display of being a friend of minorities so anything that challenges you will be labeled-away to avoid having to intellectually cope but I can't help but wonder if/when the rubber meets the road.
I want to see randy wander around in Chicago,Detroit or south St Louis.
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so will they be banning black supremacy flags now or how does this work?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/17/48/c1/1748c19277751f67013c586096c13819.jpg)
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so will they be banning black supremacy flags now or how does this work?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/17/48/c1/1748c19277751f67013c586096c13819.jpg)
Eh, this was a black homo. Worst they'll do is keep their eyes on Cordell for a few days.
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Not queer,not black,not poor Rolex randy the watch Smith weighs in.
Uhm no.
Since your fake persona is trying to cover up all of those?
I hope you die in a drive by.
The panties are bunching.
I want to see randy wander around in Chicago,Detroit or south St Louis.
That young woman was young enough to be Randy's daughter, and I have no doubt he'd have gladly donated her to whichever "AfAm" that felt entitled to her. Let's hope that if a black person ever enters Randy's bleached-white town and decides it's Randy's time to go, he has time to say, "I just want you to know, I don't think you're a racist" before the trigger is pulled.
Randy is a pathetic piece of shit.
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That young woman was young enough to be Randy's daughter, and I have no doubt he'd have gladly donated her to whichever "AfAm" that felt entitled to her. Let's hope that if a black person ever enters Randy's bleached-white town and decides it's Randy's time to go, he has time to say, "I just want you to know, I don't think you're a racist" before the trigger is pulled.
Randy is a pathetic piece of shit.
How pitiful is it that a 60ish pasty white Rolex watch dealer has to try to find attention on democrat underground,a site filled with beggars,pedophiles and lunatics.
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How pitiful is it that a 60ish pasty white Rolex watch dealer has to try to find attention on democrat underground,a site filled with beggars,pedophiles and lunatics.
Who ogles Ferraris while on vacation. Don't forget that part.
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Who ogles Ferraris while on vacation. Don't forget that part.
Given Democratic Undergrounds recent acceptance of pedophiles who knows what else randy ogles.
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USA today has this bit from his "manifesto"
So, yeah.. This guy wasn't 'motivated' by the Dylan Roof thing. Roof was the 'excuse' used to do what he has been meaning to do for years. I hope he enjoys getting reamed by Satan with a cactus for eternity.
He also admired Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
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Given Democratic Undergrounds recent acceptance of pedophiles who knows what else randy ogles.
can you spot Randy's watch?
(http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451af9f69e2019affe23b2c970b-pi)
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Supposedly a member since 2002 and closing in on that 100K mark, but by a funny co-inky-dink has the initials of a movement that's been around for a year, tops. Of course it could have chosen its moniker as short for 'Big Lesbian Mofo' or something of the sort, way back 13 years ago.
Yeah, that caught my eye, too. blm? ::)
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USA today has this bit from his "manifesto"
So, yeah.. This guy wasn't 'motivated' by the Dylan Roof thing. Roof was the 'excuse' used to do what he has been meaning to do for years. I hope he enjoys getting reamed by Satan with a cactus for eternity.
Yeah, I posted same somewhere else. The addition of Charleston was simply an excuse of convenience.
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Not queer,not black,not poor Rolex randy the watch Smith weighs in.
Uhm no.
Since your fake persona is trying to cover up all of those?
I hope you die in a drive by.
The panties are bunching.
I want to see randy wander around in Chicago,Detroit or south north St Louis.
Fixt it for ya, Carl.
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My experience from doing maybe a couple of hundred EEO cases is that people are just unable to see that they actually have shortcomings (For which I blame our culture of prizes all 'round and social promotions) and instead can only attribute the fact that something bad happened to the evil racism/sexism/bigotry of everyone else. Maybe one time in every twenty cases the complainant was actually cynically using the system to get something, like money or a promotion, though management thought that was the case every time (Kind of an inversion of the same blindness the complainants had, really). Maybe one time in twenty there actually was some level of racism/sexism/bigotry involved in whatever had happened to prompt the complaint. Eighteen times out of twenty, it was the complainant being insufficiently-skilled, lazy, or obnoxious/combative/attitude-challenged, but the complainant just mentally could not own his or her actual responsibility for the situation.
I'd double H-5 this if I could! As you suggest, it's blindness that's pretty pervasive. IMO, it's as much a matter of won't as of can't. And our everybody's a winner and awesome culture punishes those who are, deceives those who are not into thinking the world works that way (or should), and fosters that tendency toward blindness of one's own faults.
This turdball freak seems to have suffered from the same 'Can't be me, must be them' idiocy. From all reports, he was as much fun to work with as mercury fulminate in a nitroglycerin factory, but when his own combative and unpredictable a-hole behavior caught up with him, well, it must be because of 'Racism' that he was fired. The exploitive and divisive way Obama and Holder have handled every racial incident during their tenures has only poured gas on this particular flavor of immature thinking.
From the sketchy news reports I read and heard yesterday about the guy, he had gone the claiming-discrimination-after-being-fired route at least twice (the first of the two in 1999). I suspect those were not the only times for both, and that he was at least partly Victimhood System player.
From what I've read, the guy's skills as a "reporter" while at the VA station were on the level of a high school school newspaper reporter. And as you say, he was a hyper-sensitive victim-player. The latter not only made him unpleasant to work with, but with our modern Victimhood System and his double minority-victim "status" (being black and gay), that made him a danger to any employer and to every fellow employee. Who wants to work with a dude who might transmogrify talking about the food at a family picnic into a huge verbal blow-up and a complaint to HR (with a threat to escalate it into an EEOC complaint if he didn't get his way)?!
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Not queer,not black,not poor Rolex randy the watch Smith weighs in.
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I hope you die in a drive by.
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I want to see randy wander around in Chicago,Detroit or south St Louis.
If r1's the dude who lives on CA's north coast, there's not much chance of a drive-by, by black thugs at least (not sure if white thugs can afford to live there). IIRC, more Asians live in that city than blacks.
Well, r1's been pictured hanging out around SF, but don't think he was in Hunter's Point, further south in East Palo Alto, or further east in the 'hoods of Oakland.
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Clearly the murderer was a black racist heterophobe.
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24th post bump
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Warped TV reporter Vester Lee Flanagan exasperated bosses with his ‘stiff and nervous’ delivery, his inability to use a teleprompter – and by wearing a President Obama badge during an election report, Daily Mail Online can reveal.
Management at WDBJ dubbed the failed newsman the ‘human tape recorder’ because he frequently parroted what interviewees had told him rather than doing his own journalism.
Flanagan, 41, clashed repeatedly with photojournalists, belittling them in public and intimidating them with his violent temper, according to internal reports.
He was also censured for wearing an Obama sticker while recording a segment at a polling booth during the 2012 US Presidential Election – a clear breach of journalistic impartiality.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3212142/The-human-tape-recorder-TV-murderer-criticized-bosses-appalling-journalistic-standards-reprimanded-wearing-Obama-badge-report-elections.html
If Obama had a son...
...he'd be gay and blaming his personal failures on racism.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3212142/The-human-tape-recorder-TV-murderer-criticized-bosses-appalling-journalistic-standards-reprimanded-wearing-Obama-badge-report-elections.html
If Obama had a son...
...he'd be gay and blaming his personal failures on racism.
0bama doesn't need a son for that. He does pretty well on his own.
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Flanagan's whole life and career was an audition to be Obama's Minister of Propaganda and lover; but the Emperor didn't call, didn't write, and the unhinged Democrat butt-pirate finally released his inner John Hinckley.
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randys1 (9,048 posts)
74. The PATIENCE shown, time and time and time again, by the AfAm community
in the face of slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, and now all these killings by police.
The restraint shown in Ferguson, my god.
That kid Brown was executed for daring to give lip to a white cop, period.
Only one store burned to the ground?
Reverse all this and the white folk would have burned the entire country down a long time ago.
In recent memory the only thing close to this happening in the white community was when the Dem controlled Chicago PD cracked some other Dem's heads during the Dem convention in 1968. I do not remember the whole country burning down.
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I read he was fired. I also read that he complained the women were mean to him and he was bullied. Something tells me he was playing grab ass with the women, one complained and he was fired for sexual harassment.
Then we have the gay angle. Hmmm... maybe it was not the women he was playing grab ass with? Can't really see this for the simple reason most guys, myself included, would have knocked this alleged queer on his ass for grabbing theirs.
I suspect that he was just grabbing some gay privilege as a defense against the truth that he didn't like being turned down by 'whities women' after harassing them.
CMD
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I suspect that he was just grabbing some gay privilege as a defense against the truth that he didn't like being turned down by 'whities women' after harassing them.
CMD
It is nothing like that. He was a black gay man. Most black gay men would like to be white heterosexual women. I am sure he saw red when he saw a young, pretty white woman in love with a nice young man. Any insane queer would do the same.
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Can the racial dimension of the shooting be discussed in a reasonable manner?
Ya right.
Define "reasonable", in the DUmp.
Think like me or else I'll stomp my feet, clinch my fists and call you naughty words.